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    Re: Vaccines and a culture of fear

    Quote Originally Posted by AmIsraelHai View Post
    What are the reasons why vaccination has not eradicated cholera?
    The vaccinations for cholera do not last long and boosters should be given annually.


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    They offer some degree of protection for up to two years after a single shot, and for three to four years with annual booster.
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    Re: Vaccines and a culture of fear

    Quote Originally Posted by AmIsraelHai View Post
    How do the dynamics of infectious disease transmission explain why vaccines are not available for all infections and are not universally successful when they are available?
    I'm no authority, but from what I understand not all disease can be inoculated against. I think whether viral or bacterial has something to do with it.

    And formulating a successful vaccine is obviously the key.

    And as we all know, virus and bacteria can mutate and adapt over time.

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    Re: Vaccines and a culture of fear

    How can a person refusing to get vaccinated put people who are vaccinated at risk? Doesn't the vaccine protect the people who are vaccinated? So wouldn't that mean only the people not vaccinated would be at risk?

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    Re: Vaccines and a culture of fear

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    How can a person refusing to get vaccinated put people who are vaccinated at risk? Doesn't the vaccine protect the people who are vaccinated? So wouldn't that mean only the people not vaccinated would be at risk?
    No vaccine works 100%. Also, if people have been vaccinated and have already been exposed or have a fever, the vaccine may not work or it may be less effective.

    And there is about a 2 week window (varies) before the vaccine creates enough antibodies for protection.

    There are also some people, like infants, the elderly, etc that cannot be vaccinated and so they depend on herd immunity and there being fewer sick people to be exposed to.

    I adore epidemiology, have a library of about 50 books...I'm actually on Amazon now getting some more up-to-date books.
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    Re: Vaccines and a culture of fear

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Not an absolutist = totalitarian. You won't be hearing the "Ja vole" from me any time soon. If I roll up my sleeve it will be because I say so, not because some politician needs to make points on his next election. I sorta hope your view comes to pass - it'll make a helluva lawsuit and I could get a few sheckels out of the deal.
    Nobody's forcing kids to be vaccinated. They just lose access to public schools where they would endanger others. Why would their choice be allowed to endanger others?
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    Re: Vaccines and a culture of fear

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    no vaccine is 100% effective. some people who get vaccinated can still get sick.

    that's why anti-vaxers are so dangerous, because they lower the herd immunity for those who have been vaccinated, but may still be susceptible to diseases.

    What is dangerous is bogus logic.

    Herd immunity from vaccines is a myth. In nature, herd immunity is reality, the immunity and an organism develops immunity from having contracted an illness. There is no evidence that herd immunity exists in the vaccinated for the simple reason taht history is replete with examples of outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations. (proof provided upon request).

    Moving on....

    as long as adults are not up to date on their boosters, (and many are not up to date ) and as many older adults have not recieved manyi vaccines that children now receive, there never has been, nor will their ever be, herd immunity. In othe words, take your kid into the general market place where adults are and there is no herd immunity. Moreover, I have yet to find any proof of herd immunity other than just the theory of it.

    The point is, trying to scare someone into getting vaccination solely by the argument 'you will diminish herd immunity" is specious reasoning, because it never existed, nor will it ever exist, in the first place.

    Use other arguments, sure, but not that one.
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