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Gun Violence Chicago

Maidenrules29 said:
Drive ten miles to where? If you mean Indiana, then you are subscribing to a false narrative. If you are a resident of Illinois you cannot legally ( meaning walk into a gun store for purchase) buy a gun in the state of Indiana. Just like as a citizen of CA I cannot go to Nevada and purchase one.
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Please refer to post #15:



"So my comment in Post #4:

"It can be as strict as possible, but if you can drive 10 miles and buy a gun, it's laws are undermined somewhat."


Should be to drive to the state line, not the city limits."
 
Moot said:
Does that include straw purchases?
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Yes. Of course why would someone go to Indiana to make a straw purchase, commit at least 4 felonies, and risk decades in a federal prison vs staying in Illinois and making a straw purchase, committing just 1 crime and risking only a few years in a state jail
 
=calamity;1072379846]Guns shoot 27, killing 7, including little boy under age-10.

Chicago shootings: 27 shot, 7 fatally so far in weekend violence, including 9-year-old boy - ABC7 Chicago

Too many guns = too many deadly weekends.
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Gosh it doesn't say who is doing the shooting, it just hovers on the fact that there were shootings. I wonder if the gun play was carried out by regular law abiding citizens or gang members? I KNOW! Law abiding citizens who were until they weren't. Right?

It’s Time to Repeal—and Replace—the Second Amendment


Hear hear
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"Second Amendment is why you can’t be immediately arrested for openly carrying around an assault rifle in a public place" Which is BS since the 1934 NFA saw to that.
And the ever present "ammo sexual" comment by the writer. And this jewel. "the entire debate around the Second Amendment must be watered down so it doesn’t piss off the cultural sensibilities of those who want a constitutionally protected right to shoot wolves from a helicopter with a submachine gun—“like my grandpa did.” I don't recall that "constitutionally protected right".
 
Crovax said:
Yes. Of course why would someone go to Indiana to make a straw purchase, commit at least 4 felonies, and risk decades in a federal prison vs staying in Illinois and making a straw purchase, committing just 1 crime and risking only a few years in a state jail
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If that. Some Illinois prosecutors take a revolving door approach to crime.
 
Moot said:
Does that include straw purchases?
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You can do a straw purchase in Illinois also. Why travel to Indiana? Plus I'm SO sure that tons of criminals in Illinois just happen to know a bunch of Indiana residents who are willing to do straw purchases for them. Cmon get real.
 
Rich2018 said:
It can be as strict as possible, but if you can drive 10 miles and buy a gun, it's laws are undermined somewhat.
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So we can only assume you mean out of state. But you're not doing this at a licensed gun store as in, in and out. You may purchase it but it stays and is shipped to an FFL in IL. where you fill out a 4473 along with your FOID card. OOPS no FOID, Senate Bill 2535 did away with them.

And if you're doing the private sale, why drive across the line?
 
Maidenrules29 said:
You can do a straw purchase in Illinois also. Why travel to Indiana? Plus I'm SO sure that tons of criminals in Illinois just happen to know a bunch of Indiana residents who are willing to do straw purchases for them. Cmon get real.
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Because Illinois has stronger gun laws....duh!

"...Straw purchases are punishable by up to ten years in Federal prison and a $250,000 fine. It was firearms industry participants who helped to craft Illinois' straw purchase law (720 ILCS 5/24-3.5). Penalties under current State law start with 5 years imprisonment, and ramp up to 40 years for serial gun traffickers...."​
 
Crovax said:
Did you even bother reading it?

“ The vast majority of crime guns were handguns possessed by adults who were not the original purchaser of the firearm, the report says.”

Criminals are not just hopping the boarder and buying a gun, they are being trafficked into the state mostly via gang activity
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A so-called "straw man" purchase.
 
zsu2357 said:
So we can only assume you mean out of state. But you're not doing this at a licensed gun store as in, in and out. You may purchase it but it stays and is shipped to an FFL in IL. where you fill out a 4473 along with your FOID card. OOPS no FOID, Senate Bill 2535 did away with them.

And if you're doing the private sale, why drive across the line?
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See my post #15


"So my comment in Post #4:

"It can be as strict as possible, but if you can drive 10 miles and buy a gun, it's laws are undermined somewhat."

Should be to drive to the state line, not the city limits."


I was talking about licensed dealers, but I imagine there's quite a well supplied black market in illegal guns.
 
calamity said:
Too many guns = too many deadly weekends.
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There are undoubtedly a lot more guns and far fewer murders per capita in Houston and many other large cities. Perhaps it's something else.
 
Moot said:
Because Illinois has stronger gun laws....duh!

"...Straw purchases are punishable by up to ten years in Federal prison and a $250,000 fine. It was firearms industry participants who helped to craft Illinois' straw purchase law (720 ILCS 5/24-3.5). Penalties under current State law start with 5 years imprisonment, and ramp up to 40 years for serial gun traffickers...."​
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Maybe they should try enforcing it....oh, wait....defund the police.

Never mind.
 
Tlrmln said:
There are undoubtedly a lot more guns and far fewer murders per capita in Houston and many other large cities. Perhaps it's something else.
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Crime is a social issue - it's at it's highest usually in low income/high population areas

But where crime exists, guns make the consequences worse.
 
Tlrmln said:
Maybe they should try enforcing it....oh, wait....defund the police.

Never mind.
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Violations of federal gun law would require federal law enforcement to do their job. So, that failure lies at Trump, Pence and Barr's feet, as do so many other failures seen in the USA today.
 
"Nearly 60 percent of guns recovered in Chicago come from out-of-state dealers, with more than 20 percent traced back to Indiana, according to a newly released report on the city’s violence."
 
calamity said:
Violations of federal gun law would require federal law enforcement to do their job. So, that failure lies at Trump, Pence and Barr's feet, as do so many other failures seen in the USA today.
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Did you miss the part where I was responding to a post talking about Illinois' gun laws?
 
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