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Increasing gun ownership

Rich2018 said:
So is it "should" or "must" - when it comes to the service terms of the militia ?

There is no law obligating a citizen to serve in the militia. Period. None. Null. Nada. Zilch.
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Our Second Amendment is not ambiguous or vague in any way.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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danielpalos said:
Our Second Amendment is not ambiguous or vague in any way.
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It most definitely is ambiguous:

Is it "should" or "must" - when it comes to the service terms of the militia ?

There is no law obligating a citizen to serve in the militia. Period. None. Null. Nada. Zilch.
 
Fledermaus said:
We gave a lot so the UK could survive.
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The US waited until we'd been at war for 2 years before you decided to join in.
Does The Battle of Britain ring a bell?
You didn't exactly jump to our aid like a best mate in a fight and you joined for your own reasons which is fair enough.
The UK bankrupted itself to win WW2 and lost an empire doing so and we literally just finished paying back the debt not that long ago.
BBC NEWS | UK | UK settles WWII debts to allies

If any nation can be said to have won WW2 it would be Russia as they had by far the most dead and lost and regained the most ground.
 
Peter said:
The US waited until we'd been at war for 2 years before you decided to join in.
Does The Battle of Britain ring a bell?
You didn't exactly jump to our aid like a best mate in a fight and you joined for your own reasons which is fair enough.
The UK bankrupted itself to win WW2 and lost an empire doing so and we literally just finished paying back the debt not that long ago.
BBC NEWS | UK | UK settles WWII debts to allies

If any nation can be said to have won WW2 it would be Russia as they had by far the most dead and lost and regained the most ground.
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Quite: IMO Churchill saved the world by keeping Britain in the war, in 1940

It didn't have to be that way, according to reports, had Churchill found a way to make peace with Hitler after Dunkirk, he'd have taken the whole country with him

That wasn't Winston Churchill though.

In 1940, he was a bloody hero and saved the world.
 
Fledermaus said:
We gave a lot so the UK could survive.
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Their island was convenient for staging the invasion of Europe. We had to bring most all our own gear though, because they didn't have much. They barely made it back intact from Europe themselves, crowding their army aboard everything from rowboats to motor yachts. And they've tended to be actually proud of that ass kicking they took! Can you imagine that?

I've heard we had a positive effect on their population post-war though. Our troops left a lot of American buns in British ovens, eh?
 
The US Dept of Defense actually rates Dunkirk as the one of the most significant battles of the war...more more important than the subsequent Battle of Britain. And most of the equipment left behind was obsolescent if not obsolete.

Britain outproduced Germany in planes, tanks, ships and machine guns in 1940

In the famous Battle of Britain, the RAF actually finished the battle with more airplanes than it started it with. The Germans did not.
 
"We didn't want that old junk anyway..."

:lol:

I guess a significant ass kicking that happened in a battle could be characterized as a significant battle if one were feelling charitable. Which we often are I guess....even if some insist on being ingrates.
 
RF667799 said:
Their island was convenient for staging the invasion of Europe. We had to bring most all our own gear though, because they didn't have much. They barely made it back intact from Europe themselves, crowding their army aboard everything from rowboats to motor yachts. And they've tended to be actually proud of that ass kicking they took! Can you imagine that?

I've heard we had a positive effect on their population post-war though. Our troops left a lot of American buns in British ovens, eh?
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The British like heroic retreats and last stands.
It goes with the stiff upper lip stereotype and the not complaining even if we have a mortal wound.
A fine example would be in the Korean War where a British Army Brigadier was asked about the situation of his unit and said "Things are a bit sticky" which the US general thought just meant a hard time but coping when they were actually outnumbered 8-1.
Needless battle caused by uncommon language | UK news | The Guardian
 
Rich2018 said:
There is no law obligating a citizen to serve in the militia. Period. None. Null. Nada. Zilch.
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Maybe not in your state, but there is in my state of Virginia.
The militia of Virginia consists of all able bodied residents age 16-55 who are U.S. citizens or intend to become citizens. The Militia is divided into 3 classes: The National Guard, The Virginia Defense Force, and the unorganized militia. The VDF is purely voluntary, unarmed, and unpaid unless called to duty by the governor. In an emergency, the governor does have the authority to call up all three classes of the militia with penalty of court martial for failure to report if ordered.

So residents of Virginia are automatically in the militia and liable for call-up on pain of criminal prosecution. While the unorganized militia will probably never ever be called up, it is still a legal obligation under Virginia law.
 
pinqy said:
Maybe not in your state, but there is in my state of Virginia.
The militia of Virginia consists of all able bodied residents age 16-55 who are U.S. citizens or intend to become citizens. The Militia is divided into 3 classes: The National Guard, The Virginia Defense Force, and the unorganized militia. The VDF is purely voluntary, unarmed, and unpaid unless called to duty by the governor. In an emergency, the governor does have the authority to call up all three classes of the militia with penalty of court martial for failure to report if ordered.

So residents of Virginia are automatically in the militia and liable for call-up on pain of criminal prosecution. While the unorganized militia will probably never ever be called up, it is still a legal obligation under Virginia law.
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What law is that ?

Did you not just say that the VDF is purely VOLUNTARY ?
 
Peter said:
The British like heroic retreats and last stands.
It goes with the stiff upper lip stereotype and the not complaining even if we have a mortal wound.
A fine example would be in the Korean War where a British Army Brigadier was asked about the situation of his unit and said "Things are a bit sticky" which the US general thought just meant a hard time but coping when they were actually outnumbered 8-1.
Needless battle caused by uncommon language | UK news | The Guardian
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We're surrounded.
That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them.
Now we can fire in any direction, those bastards won't get away this time!
- Chesty Puller as the 1st Marine Division faced eight Chinese divisions.
 
Peter said:
The US waited until we'd been at war for 2 years before you decided to join in.
Does The Battle of Britain ring a bell?
You didn't exactly jump to our aid like a best mate in a fight and you joined for your own reasons which is fair enough.
The UK bankrupted itself to win WW2 and lost an empire doing so and we literally just finished paying back the debt not that long ago.
BBC NEWS | UK | UK settles WWII debts to allies

If any nation can be said to have won WW2 it would be Russia as they had by far the most dead and lost and regained the most ground.
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one wonders if Hitler would have started his schemes and attack if he hadn't had a treaty with Stalin?
 
TurtleDude said:
one wonders if Hitler would have started his schemes and attack if he hadn't had a treaty with Stalin?
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It's tough to say.
I get the feeling Hitler was bonkers enough to go to war with anyone even if he had left the UK alone.
 
Rich2018 said:
And then we might get a tyrant who creates his own little army and suspends elections...
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Man, you went out on a limb on that one(LOL)
 
swing_voter said:
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What have you done to increase gun ownership?

I've taken my kids shooting, daughters too.


If there aren't enough gun owners left, we'll lose gun rights struggle by attrition.
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Perhaps it was our out of control immigration from hellhole parts of the world?
 
swing_voter said:
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What have you done to increase gun ownership?

I've taken my kids shooting, daughters too.


If there aren't enough gun owners left, we'll lose gun rights struggle by attrition.
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So this was a result of a survey?(LOL)

2,500 U.S. Adults?
 
Rich2018 said:
What law is that ?

Did you not just say that the VDF is purely VOLUNTARY ?
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Code of Virginia, Title 44 Chapter 1

All able bodied residents of Virginia age 16-55 who are U..S. Citizens are members of the militia (with exceptions for those holding some political offices, law enforcement, active military/Reserves, etc)
Again, since you didn’t seem to understand it the first time: All able bodied residents of Virginia age 16-55 who are U..S. Citizens are members of the militia.

Some people are in the National Guard, going through regular Army or Air Force basic and advanced training, serving one weekend a month and two weeks each year for pay. They are liable for call-up and overseas deployment by the President, or call up by the Governor for domestic duties. They have an 8 year military obligation.

Some people, not in the National Guard, join the VDF. They do online and brief in-person training, and serve, without pay, one weekend a month and two weeks a year. They are not liable for Federal call up, and the Governor uses them to supplement the NG in support roles during emergencies (during which they are paid). Except during a call up they can quit the VDF whenever they want, but will still be in the militia just like every other able bodied Virginian.

Everyone else is in the Unorganized Militia (and most probably aren’t even aware of that). The unorganized militia has no training or uniforms etc. But are still liable for call up by the governor.

In short, with some exceptions, every able bodied Virginia resident age 16-55 IS in the militia and is OBLIGATED under penalty of law, to report for military duty as the Governor directs.
 
Rich2018 said:
It most definitely is ambiguous:

Is it "should" or "must" - when it comes to the service terms of the militia ?

There is no law obligating a citizen to serve in the militia. Period. None. Null. Nada. Zilch.
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The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
 
pinqy said:
Code of Virginia, Title 44 Chapter 1

All able bodied residents of Virginia age 16-55 who are U..S. Citizens are members of the militia (with exceptions for those holding some political offices, law enforcement, active military/Reserves, etc)
Again, since you didn’t seem to understand it the first time: All able bodied residents of Virginia age 16-55 who are U..S. Citizens are members of the militia.

Some people are in the National Guard, going through regular Army or Air Force basic and advanced training, serving one weekend a month and two weeks each year for pay. They are liable for call-up and overseas deployment by the President, or call up by the Governor for domestic duties. They have an 8 year military obligation.

Some people, not in the National Guard, join the VDF. They do online and brief in-person training, and serve, without pay, one weekend a month and two weeks a year. They are not liable for Federal call up, and the Governor uses them to supplement the NG in support roles during emergencies (during which they are paid). Except during a call up they can quit the VDF whenever they want, but will still be in the militia just like every other able bodied Virginian.

Everyone else is in the Unorganized Militia (and most probably aren’t even aware of that). The unorganized militia has no training or uniforms etc. But are still liable for call up by the governor.

In short, with some exceptions, every able bodied Virginia resident age 16-55 IS in the militia and is OBLIGATED under penalty of law, to report for military duty as the Governor directs.
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That's interesting

It looks to be a relic of the pre-Revolutionary War code of law.

Present-day system
The Virginia militia system, as a compulsory service composed of the body of the people trained to arms as envisioned by George Mason, remained intact until the end of the American Civil War. Reconstruction governments forced upon Virginia an all-volunteer militia system in opposition to Virginia's Bill of Rights. The militia became statutorily composed of the volunteer and the unorganized militia."


Virginia militia - Wikipedia.


I don't this it is current law and that a citizen in Virginia is obligated to be a militiaman today.
 
danielpalos said:
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
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Is it "should" or "must" - when it comes to the service terms of the militia ?

There is no law obligating a citizen to serve in the militia. Period. None. Null. Nada. Zilch.
 
Rich2018 said:
Is it "should" or "must" - when it comes to the service terms of the militia ?

There is no law obligating a citizen to serve in the militia. Period. None. Null. Nada. Zilch.
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You are appealing to ignorance of that Article from a State Constitution.
 
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