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Say the Second Amendment is repealed

Say the Second Amendment is repealed, what happens?

  • Nothing

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • Very little change

    Votes: 4 20.0%

  • Blue states and cities will ban semiauto rifles

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • Total gun ban

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Other, specify

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
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If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
 
swing_voter said:
If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
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It just means it goes to the states to decide what they want to do.
 
swing_voter said:
If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
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If that were to ever happen, then I imagine the next Amendment deemed unnecessary or out of date would be on the chopping block. Doing away with 2A would be like the first domino being pushed over IMO.
 
Artymoon said:
If that were to ever happen, then I imagine the next Amendment deemed unnecessary or out of date would be on the chopping block. Doing away with 2A would be like the first domino being pushed over IMO.
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It takes so much effort to repeal an Amendment, that I don't think so. Imagine how hard it would be to get 38 states to vote to repeal?
 
swing_voter said:
It takes so much effort to repeal an Amendment, that I don't think so. Imagine how hard it would be to get 38 states to vote to repeal?
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As it should be. That way one party/group can't alter things; it has to be the majority of the people that want something. The Constitution is what makes America so great and one of the reasons people want to immigrate here.
 
swing_voter said:
If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
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Even without the 2A, there's nothing in article 1, section 8 granting congress the power to ban firearms.
 
Praxas said:
It just means it goes to the states to decide what they want to do.
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Until those same senators and representative pass sweeping federal anti-gun laws, which is exactly what would happen if they were able to drum up enough support to repeal the 2nd.

My guess is that many of the 12 states that didn't vote for it would secede, and this time the rest wouldn't have the moral authority to justify a war to stop them.
 
Tlrmln said:
Until those same senators and representative pass sweeping federal anti-gun laws, which is exactly what would happen if they were able to drum up enough support to repeal the 2nd.

My guess is that many of the 12 states that didn't vote for it would secede, and this time the rest wouldn't have the moral authority to justify a war to stop them.
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Supreme Court said it's illegal to secede.
 
swing_voter said:
Supreme Court said it's illegal to secede.
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And? If they secede, they will not be subject to the laws that the Supreme Court interprets.
 
Tlrmln said:
And? If they secede, they will not be subject to the laws that the Supreme Court interprets.
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It means those 12 states are going to war. You break the law, you're going to get policed.


Without the Second Amendment, it will probably get as bad as Australia.




New, uniform state gun laws banned rapid-fire guns from civilian ownership except under certain, restricted licences, and established a government buyback of semi-automatic and pump-action rifles and shotguns.

Another requirement was that all guns must be individually registered, with all gun sales tracked to record changes in ownership.


That's not all that bad. You can still get a license to keep your AR15.
 
swing_voter said:
It means those 12 states are going to war. You break the law, you're going to get policed.
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They would only be going to war if the remaining states decided to attack them, which is a point I addressed in my original comment.
 
swing_voter said:
If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
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Viva la Revolución!
 
swing_voter said:
If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
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It's never going to happen.
 
A whole lot of If's and highly unlikely to happen.
That said IF it happened some States would ban several firearms, most of those place already make it bear impossible to buy one and forget a carry license.
Some States would probably lossen their rules and if it up to States then forget background checks.
Almost never one is going to give up what they already have.
Hence little change.
 
Casper said:
A whole lot of If's and highly unlikely to happen.
That said IF it happened some States would ban several firearms, most of those place already make it bear impossible to buy one and forget a carry license.
Some States would probably lossen their rules and if it up to States then forget background checks.
Almost never one is going to give up what they already have.
Hence little change.
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A carry license is practical for some people. Say you have a liquor store and you carry large sums of cash home at night.
 
swing_voter said:
A carry license is practical for some people. Say you have a liquor store and you carry large sums of cash home at night.
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Or work in high crime areas, especially at night, hence why I have one.
 
swing_voter said:
If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
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To repeal an amendment, you need to pass another one (say a 28th amendment)

This new amendment would both repeal the 2nd amendment and grant Congress to power to pass laws, banning firearms


IMO, the simplest solution is for this amendment to ban ALL privately owned firearms, and then make allowance for the national executive to make exemptions
I would prefer to see all muzzle loaders, all bolt action and all shotgun (with a capacity of not more than 3) plus "classic" guns manufactured before 1946 exempted
Ammunition for non-exempted firearms is also banned

However I think it best not to invent convoluted legal definitions for these types but simply list all exempted firearms by make/model #


Then Congress passes a law banning firearms/ammunition in accordance with the above

I would include a 5-10 year penalty for being caught with an illegal firearm (ie: not on the list of make/model exempted) + a hefty (income based) fine to help with the costs on implementation
I would include a 5-10 year penalty for being caught with large quantities of illegal ammunition (say in excess of 100 rounds) + a hefty (income based) fine
I would include a 20-30 year penalty + fine for anybody caught making/importing illegal firearms/ammunition
I would institute regular amnesties for people to turn in their firearms/ammunition
I would grant law enforcement the power to search and seize based on "reasonable cause" (no warrant needed)

Reasonable cause to include (but not limited to):

Membership/patronage of a gun club/range
Patronage of a gun "training" organisation
Possession of a CCW
Purchases (including on-line purchases) on firearms/ammunition/accessories
Information passed from the public (including that passed anonymously)
I would give cash rewards for information leading to an arrest

I would commence a gun search/seizure on a state by state basis and allow 5-10 years to complete

All seized firearms/ammunition to be destroyed.
 
Rich2018 said:
To repeal an amendment, you need to pass another one (say a 28th amendment)

This new amendment would both repeal the 2nd amendment and grant Congress to power to pass laws, banning firearms


IMO, the simplest solution is for this amendment to ban ALL privately owned firearms, and then make allowance for the national executive to make exemptions
I would prefer to see all muzzle loaders, all bolt action and all shotgun (with a capacity of not more than 3) plus "classic" guns manufactured before 1946 exempted
Ammunition for non-exempted firearms is also banned

However I think it best not to invent convoluted legal definitions for these types but simply list all exempted firearms by make/model #


Then Congress passes a law banning firearms/ammunition in accordance with the above

I would include a 5-10 year penalty for being caught with an illegal firearm (ie: not on the list of make/model exempted) + a hefty (income based) fine to help with the costs on implementation
I would include a 5-10 year penalty for being caught with large quantities of illegal ammunition (say in excess of 100 rounds) + a hefty (income based) fine
I would include a 20-30 year penalty + fine for anybody caught making/importing illegal firearms/ammunition
I would institute regular amnesties for people to turn in their firearms/ammunition
I would grant law enforcement the power to search and seize based on "reasonable cause" (no warrant needed)

Reasonable cause to include (but not limited to):

Membership/patronage of a gun club/range
Patronage of a gun "training" organisation
Possession of a CCW
Purchases (including on-line purchases) on firearms/ammunition/accessories
Information passed from the public (including that passed anonymously)
I would give cash rewards for information leading to an arrest

I would commence a gun search/seizure on a state by state basis and allow 5-10 years to complete

All seized firearms/ammunition to be destroyed.
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A laughable goal.
 
swing_voter said:
If 2/3rds of house say to repeal the Second Amendment, then 2/3rds of Senate agree. Then 38 states agree to repeal the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is gone. And gone through legal means, as written in our Constitution.

What happens?
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I answered this in your other thread and you ignored it. It's pretty dishonest to post and then just dismiss the arguments that are too challenging.

And I had posted it very civilly too.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Well ok, maybe it wasnt the most polite response, lol.

Lursa said:
It's an incredibly stupid idea. Because then the states would be able to pass their own laws and many states would still allow private ownership AND carrying of firearms.

And we have Chicago to look at as an example of what it's like to be 'legally' gun-free...only the criminals have them and the guns pour in from other states.

Anyone living in the 'gun-free' or restricted states would be seen as victims...the criminals would still have guns and know the homeowners and people walking the streets were unarmed and vulnerable.

The people living in the gun-free/restricted states would be the victims, having not acted in their own best interests, having effectively 'shot themselves in the foot' (lolol yup, pun intended.)

We are not a little island, controlled and isolated like the UK...and their crime rate has not gone down with the removal of firearms. The people are still victimized.
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But how exactly is this thread any different from that one, which was also about repealing the 2A? What are you looking for?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Rich2018 said:
To repeal an amendment, you need to pass another one (say a 28th amendment)

This new amendment would both repeal the 2nd amendment and grant Congress to power to pass laws, banning firearms


IMO, the simplest solution is for this amendment to ban ALL privately owned firearms, and then make allowance for the national executive to make exemptions
I would prefer to see all muzzle loaders, all bolt action and all shotgun (with a capacity of not more than 3) plus "classic" guns manufactured before 1946 exempted
Ammunition for non-exempted firearms is also banned

However I think it best not to invent convoluted legal definitions for these types but simply list all exempted firearms by make/model #


Then Congress passes a law banning firearms/ammunition in accordance with the above

I would include a 5-10 year penalty for being caught with an illegal firearm (ie: not on the list of make/model exempted) + a hefty (income based) fine to help with the costs on implementation
I would include a 5-10 year penalty for being caught with large quantities of illegal ammunition (say in excess of 100 rounds) + a hefty (income based) fine
I would include a 20-30 year penalty + fine for anybody caught making/importing illegal firearms/ammunition
I would institute regular amnesties for people to turn in their firearms/ammunition
I would grant law enforcement the power to search and seize based on "reasonable cause" (no warrant needed)

Reasonable cause to include (but not limited to):

Membership/patronage of a gun club/range
Patronage of a gun "training" organisation
Possession of a CCW
Purchases (including on-line purchases) on firearms/ammunition/accessories
Information passed from the public (including that passed anonymously)
I would give cash rewards for information leading to an arrest

I would commence a gun search/seizure on a state by state basis and allow 5-10 years to complete

All seized firearms/ammunition to be destroyed.
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When you swing, you swing for the fence. :lamo Aside from 2A and 4A, what other Amendments would you like to see done away with? And lastly, are you a US citizen?
 
Artymoon said:
When you swing, you swing for the fence. Aside from 2A and 4A, what other Amendments would you like to see done away with? And lastly, are you a US citizen?
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The first amendment, needs repealing and rewriting - and I'm not the only one who thinks so:

Americans want the First Amendment changed 'to reflect cultural norms of today' | Daily Mail Online


And I don't think I ever said that the 4th amendment needs to be repealed. Merely that in the search for illegal guns/ammunition, a court order not be required if reasonable cause is present.

No, I'm not.
 
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