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2.5 million new gun owners

"New York is a may-issue state with concealed weapons permits issued at the local level by the county sheriff or court system. ... While no law specifically bans open carry, a pistol license to carry is issued to carry concealed. Concealed carry is only legal with a New York Pistol License (NYPL)."

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Daddyo said:
Nope you are supposed to research the issue and see if my friends are right or wrong.

Does New York City Need Gun Control? : NPR

Seems a local range owner says its extremely tough just like my friends. Perhaps you had it easy in obtaining your permit IDK. Maybe your friends said it was easy. Everything I have looked at and ALL I have spoken with on this subject suggests that it is very hard to get a handgun permit.
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"New York is a may-issue state with concealed weapons permits issued at the local level by the county sheriff or court system. ... While no law specifically bans open carry, a pistol license to carry is issued to carry concealed. Concealed carry is only legal with a New York Pistol License (NYPL)."



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CaughtInThe said:
interesting. so you're saying people buy guns in NYC.
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I would have thought so:

gun stores, nyc - Google Search[[40.9344782,-73.5983911],[40.492951999999995,-74.31982820000002]];tbs:lrf:!1m4!1u3!2m2!3m1!1e1!1m4!1u2!2m2!2m1!1e1!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:10


This is a gun store in NYC is it not ?
 
CaughtInThe said:
interesting. so you're saying people buy guns in NYC.
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I don't care about people in New York. I don't want to go back and forth over this. You know its extremely difficult and even impossible for some to get the permit needed to purchase or posses a handgun in New York. Sure some are getting guns, the rich and powerful or the politically linked folks. The average Joe six pack ain't getting a gun. So please quit knit picking the issue. Everyone knows this.
 
Daddyo said:
I hope the Supreme Court delays the election until its safe to vote in person. Democrats have proven to be masters of fraud.
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Assuming proper precautions are in place, it’s safe to vote now.
 
Moon said:
Assuming proper precautions are in place, it’s safe to vote now.
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When was it ever not safe to vote if "proper precautions" were in place ?


Totally impractical maybe but it was never unsafe to vote

The issue though is that voting day will bring out big crowds, and many won't take proper precautions, so why not have mail-in ballots ?
 
Moon said:
Assuming proper precautions are in place, it’s safe to vote now.
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Agreed but the dems will find a way to cheat via voting methods other than in person and with id.

They are already preparing the groundwork for calling election fraud should the election be close. They are also looking to use mail in ballot counting delays to learn how many votes they need to win so that they can "amazingly find" those votes.
 
Daddyo said:
Agreed but the dems will find a way to cheat via voting methods other than in person and with id.

They are already preparing the groundwork for calling election fraud should the election be close. They are also looking to use mail in ballot counting delays to learn how many votes they need to win so that they can "amazingly find" those votes.
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You sound so much like Trump, I feel I should claim my $5.
 
Daddyo said:
Agreed but the dems will find a way to cheat via voting methods other than in person and with id.

They are already preparing the groundwork for calling election fraud should the election be close. They are also looking to use mail in ballot counting delays to learn how many votes they need to win so that they can "amazingly find" those votes.
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No you just buy into those right wing talking points

Do you agree that republicans do everything they can to suppress the vote. Things like purging voter rolls and closing polling stations or limiting hours in predominantly democratic neighborhoods. Lots more but you get the idea.
 
rickc said:
No you just buy into those right wing talking points

Do you agree that republicans do everything they can to suppress the vote. Things like purging voter rolls and closing polling stations or limiting hours in predominantly democratic neighborhoods. Lots more but you get the idea.
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Like massaging voter registration lists.
 
Rich2018 said:
When was it ever not safe to vote if "proper precautions" were in place ?


Totally impractical maybe but it was never unsafe to vote

The issue though is that voting day will bring out big crowds, and many won't take proper precautions, so why not have mail-in ballots ?
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It’s no more impractical than going to the grocery store or to a protest. If states wish to have mail in ballots, that’s up to them, though they probably don’t have time to do it effectively.
 
Moon said:
It’s no more impractical than going to the grocery store or to a protest. If states wish to have mail in ballots, that’s up to them, though they probably don’t have time to do it effectively.
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But the grocery store has no obligation to serve you

The impracticality of voting under maximum COVID-19 precautions of ensuring social distancing, max numbers inside at any one time, means the whole voting process would be hugely slowed down, possibly to a rate where only a fraction of those going to a voting station actually get to vote

In Georgia we've actually seen complaints from people, in 2016, saying they got to a voting station in time but were still denied a vote as the lines were so long and slow moving.
 
rickc said:
No you just buy into those right wing talking points

Do you agree that republicans do everything they can to suppress the vote. Things like purging voter rolls and closing polling stations or limiting hours in predominantly democratic neighborhoods. Lots more but you get the idea.
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Demanding id and purging ineligible voters from the rolls is only suppressing the vote in the minds of democrats who seek to benefit from ineligible votes and other fraud possible when id is not presented. How is cleaning ineligible voters suppression of the vote? Please explain. How is presenting ID suppressing the vote? How is limiting poll hours to what was approved prior to the election suppression?

The fact is none of what you said is suppression. Its election integrity. The reason your side fights it is because they know your party will benefit from the fraud possible even likely if it is not fixed.

Just like they push to have illegal immigrants given citizenship so they can vote. Your party would fight against it if those new voters were Cubans known to vote heavily republican.

So you can push those left wing talking points all you want. Just man up and answer the above questions honesty. The answers are sobering.
 
Moon said:
It’s no more impractical than going to the grocery store or to a protest. If states wish to have mail in ballots, that’s up to them, though they probably don’t have time to do it effectively.
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Mail in ballots are subject to higher fraud as well. They send ballots to all registered voters. Many are no longer eligible or deceased. These ballots are easily mailed in by family or friends.

Versus absentee ballots which must be requested and have much less chance of foul play.

The dems love any and all rules that allow for higher fraud. This is because they know they will benefit from this fraud more than Republicans. Kinda proves what kinda of people are in that party.
 
Daddyo said:
Demanding id and purging ineligible voters from the rolls is only suppressing the vote in the minds of democrats who seek to benefit from ineligible votes and other fraud possible when id is not presented.
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Wrong, that's just Republican propaganda

Demanding ID and purging voter lists is voter suppression
It is rigging the election by denying people the vote

People who are almost all Democrat supporters surprise surprise

The only way to combat this is a constitutional amendment that mandates all states to maintain a list of ALL eligible voters
Registration should be scrapped

Mail in ballots are subject to higher fraud as well.
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Is there a difference between mail-in voting and absentee voting, if so what is it ?

Where is your evidence of that ?
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They send ballots to all registered voters. Many are no longer eligible or deceased. These ballots are easily mailed in by family or friends.
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Where is your evidence of that

Do you know how mail in voted are conducted in any state that has it ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Wrong, that's just Republican propaganda

Demanding ID and purging voter lists is voter suppression
It is rigging the election by denying people the vote

People who are almost all Democrat supporters surprise surprise

The only way to combat this is a constitutional amendment that mandates all states to maintain a list of ALL eligible voters
Registration should be scrapped
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If demanding ID and registration of voters is wrong, then surely demanding ID and registration of gun owners is also wrong, since the right to keep and bear arms is the second amendment in the Bill of Rights. Famous leftist uncle Joe once said:

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.
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Voting is far more dangerous than guns will ever be. The US doesn't need gun control, but it does need strict voter control.
 
aociswundumho said:
If demanding ID and registration of voters is wrong, then surely demanding ID and registration of gun owners is also wrong...
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Or conversely, if a mandatory registry of guns is wrong, then a the registration of voters is wrong

Would you agree ?


Voting is far more dangerous than guns will ever be....
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Voting never caused anyone to be killed
(caveat: discounting the odd instance that I suppose a certain poster will now spend hours on the internet looking for, where someone died of a heart attack while standing in line to vote)

Lack of opportunity to vote did - it caused revolutions
"No taxation without representation" - ever heard of that ?



The US doesn't need gun control, but it does need strict voter control.
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The USA absolutely needs strict gun control, what it doesn't need is any kind of voter control.
 
Rich2018 said:
Or conversely, if a mandatory registry of guns is wrong, then a the registration of voters is wrong

Would you agree ?




Voting never caused anyone to be killed
(caveat: discounting the odd instance that I suppose a certain poster will now spend hours on the internet looking for, where someone died of a heart attack while standing in line to vote)

Lack of opportunity to vote did - it caused revolutions
"No taxation without representation" - ever heard of that ?





The USA absolutely needs strict gun control, what it doesn't need is any kind of voter control.
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Sauce for the Goose...
 
Rich2018 said:
Or conversely, if a mandatory registry of guns is wrong, then a the registration of voters is wrong

Would you agree ?
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The problem is self-defense is a natural human right, while voting is a political privilege. Regarding voting, I don't think it matters much either way, since democracy in general is such an idiotic system.

Voting never caused anyone to be killed
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In 1932 the Nazis became the largest political party in Germany (by far) because of voting. Another example is the Marxist Hugo Chavez, who was voted into power and subsequently wrecked the country. There are many more examples.

Lack of opportunity to vote did - it caused revolutions
"No taxation without representation" - ever heard of that ?
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That was a good outcome due to lack of opportunity to vote. Your point would be better made if you showed a bad outcome.
 
aociswundumho said:
The problem is self-defense is a natural human right, while voting is a political privilege. Regarding voting, I don't think it matters much either way, since democracy in general is such an idiotic system.
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And would you say the British have this right

Or the majority of American who have no gun ?


In 1932 the Nazis became the largest political party in Germany (by far) because of voting. Another example is the Marxist Hugo Chavez, who was voted into power and subsequently wrecked the country. There are many more examples.
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Yes, and they gained a minority of the popular vote

(like the Soviet Bolsheviks)


That was a good outcome due to lack of opportunity to vote. Your point would be better made if you showed a bad outcome.
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No, I'm arguing that the lack of opportunity to vote causes people to be killed

Voting never caused anyone to be killed
(in a proper democratic system that is)

And the 1933 German federal election didn't cause anyone to be killed either...you may as well argue that the 2000 presidential election caused the invasion of Iraq.
 
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