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MaryP said:
Every one of the examples you and I used require the attacker to get within arms reach of the victim. At that point, the attacker has a little work to do if the victim fights back or even runs. You could hypothetically throw a hammer and miss, but why would you do that?
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I would chuck a hammer if I waa trying to get away or slow down an approaching attacker. Years ago in Highschool I was jumped one day. Didn't throw a hammer but that rock found its target.
Do you hear a lot about drive by hammer throwing that kills anyone, let alone the wrong target? C'mon.
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Admittedly not that much, but we do have jackass kids tossing rocks off an overpass causing some real harm to the passengers pretty frequently.
 
Chillfolks said:
I would chuck a hammer if I waa trying to get away or slow down an approaching attacker. Years ago in Highschool I was jumped one day. Didn't throw a hammer but that rock found its target.

Admittedly not that much, but we do have jackass kids tossing rocks off an overpass causing some real harm to the passengers pretty frequently.
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So ban rocks ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Agreement with your warped view and "reason" are complete strangers




Should be good, here goes:




So what ?
There can be no significant gun control until the 2nd amendment is repealed, so gun control will NOT be "unconstitutional"
Can you follow that
You'll probably just retort "ain't gonna happen" - most RW gun owners parrot something similar at this point




Not all guns would be banned
Guns like muzzle loaders, single/double barreled shotguns and bolt action hunting rifles would still be allowed (as they are in the UK for example with even their super tough gun laws)
The rest will be meekly handing in by gun owners and/or seized by law enforcement
With the threat of a huge fine and/or a 5 year prison sentence if caught with an illegal gun, even rabid Trumpists will choose liberty over their toys




So what ? (and where did that 99% come from Btw - out of you @ss)
If guns are banned and your vaunted "law abiding people" hang on to them, they will be criminals, no
In this country we punish criminals





This is false
You need to measure gun violence in the USA with other developed or "peer" countries
Not Brazil, Mexico or El Salvador but the UK, Germany, Australia, France, Netherlands etc where gun crime is rare




Nope you just parroted the usual RW hysteria:

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"
"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them"
"Guns are needed in case the USA turns into a tyranny"


You gave the standard excuses for guns:

1. Gun ownership is a god-given right that supersedes any national law or constitution

2. Guns are needed because:
2a. Some people live so far away from a store they have to kill game to eat in order to survive
2b. Without guns to defend yourself, you'll be murdered/raped/robbed in a day/week/month/year* (delete as required)

3. Guns can't be banned anyway because:
3a. There are just too many of them even for a country as powerful as the USA
3b. No law enforcement officer would ever follow orders to disarm fellow citizens.
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I did say you need to be capable of rational thinking. That doesn't seem to fit you.

I find it hard to believe anyone with a working brain thinks the 2nd Amendment will be revoked. This is so far from reality that there isn't even a bill proposing it.

You say Mexico is not a peer country. News flash they are our next door neighbor.

Next, you think European counties are our peer countries. Half those countries do not have the population of a big city in the US. There are states in the US with a larger area than any of those countries. None of them has any significant minority population. In case you haven't noticed the minority population is responsible for nearly all the gun violence in the US. Those countries have started two world wars in the last century causing more gun deaths than gun violence in the US could ever cause. Saying gun violence doesn't exist in these lily white, mini countries is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

Just more irrational jibberish.
 
MaryP said:
Cigarette smoking has been reduced by more than half since 1964. In many parts of society it is practically nonexistent now. You know what? I'd take it, if that was the case with guns/gun ownership right now.
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Uh, cigarettes destroy your health, guns protect you. Pretty simple to figure that out.
 
BahamaBob said:
The dog was the cause of this whole incident. If not for the dog this never would have happened. Let's blame the dog. Ban all dogs. Makes as much sense as blaming the gun.
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How do you manage to get that so completely backwards? The dog was not responsible for his behavior, the murderer was. Dogs are uniquely capable of mirroring their owners personality. That is their purpose Backwards Man.

 
Rich2018 said:
Nope it is their tools (ie: their guns)

This gun control section wouldn't exist and they're be no gun control debate if the USA had British levels of gun crime.
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The Brits do not have a 2nd Amendment Right. The British Constitution is not a single document with bullet points as is the US Constitution. It's a collection of laws and precedents, with no guarantee to own a gun. However, that has not stopped the Brits from taking up arms on many occasions to put down a monarch or Parliament which has over reached.
 
Does anyone know this guy's background? Why are we saying he was a "good guy with a gun" gone bad unless we know if we wasnt a prior felon or something.
 
yankintx said:
The Brits do not have a 2nd Amendment Right. The British Constitution is not a single document with bullet points as is the US Constitution. It's a collection of laws and precedents, with no guarantee to own a gun. However, that has not stopped the Brits from taking up arms on many occasions to put down a monarch or Parliament which has over reached.
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Once, in the mid 17th century. Twice if you count the bloodless English revolution of 1688)

{previous English civil wars were all dynastic struggles)

And the Civil War, was fought by organized armies on what today would be a very small scale indeed


The British, 400 years later, have no need of guns to fight a tyrant as Britain has a Constitutional Monarchy and is run by the rule of law.

Americans have no need either.
 
Chillfolks said:
No way only a ****ing idiot would advocate to ban objects because a minority of people misuse them.
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So the rocks are safe from being banned
I'm sure that is a great relief to the rock owning lobby, who say that if you outlaw rocks, only outlaws will have them


Not so for guns as they're somewhat more lethal than rocks
Nothing against the wood/steel but rather what people do with them

You don't need guns, you do need rocks.
 
calamity said:
Seems, the country had sense back then, since they enacted a law disallowing gun purchases by mail order after that tragedy. These days, even after 26 little kids get blown away by another "good guy" with a gun, the Gun Nutters hold the line on their pea shooter rights.
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At this point, i’d go for the NRA that actually was about reasonable gun control.
 
BahamaBob said:
I did say you need to be capable of rational thinking.
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That doesn't seem to fit you.

I find it hard to believe anyone with a working brain thinks the 2nd Amendment will be revoked.
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John Paul Stevens, Retired Supreme Court Justice, Calls For 2nd Amendment Repeal : NPR


This is so far from reality that there isn't even a bill proposing it
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I think if Biden wins in November, there will be all manner of legislation, for which there is not currently a bill for


And yes, we are a long way from repealing the 2nd amendment
However a year ago, would you have thought a major US city would respond to police brutality by voting unanimously to disband its police department ?

Things are changing, Trump is like some Canute figure trying to hold back the tide

Whereas a few years ago, I'd have agreed with you and said a repeal was "impossible", now I would just say it's "unlikely"


You say Mexico is not a peer country. News flash they are our next door neighbor.
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Newsflash: That doesn't make them a "peer" country
I suggest you research what the term means before making yourself look more foolish that you already have done

(Canada is a "peer" country too Btw yet doesn't owe its status to any geographical proximity to the USA)


Next, you think European counties are our peer countries.
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Not all of the, but the Western European democracies qualify


Half those countries do not have the population of a big city in the US.
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So what ?

Again you show your ignorance of what a "peer" country is. It is not some facsimile of the USA
Chine and India have much larger populations than the USA but neither would be a "peer" country either


None of them has any significant minority population.
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Irrelevant

Those countries have started two world wars in the last century causing more gun deaths than gun violence in the US could ever cause.
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Irrelevant

At the time neither Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany were democracies - a key criteria for being a "peer" country (hint)


Saying gun violence doesn't exist in these lily white, mini countries is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
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No, it's one of the dumbest interpretations your mind has discerned

No-one has said that gun violence is non-existent in those countries, but rather is very rare
Canada just suffered a mass shooting, and instantly responded to it with further gun control....Americans would simply shrug their shoulders


Just more irrational jibberish.
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Nope, more evidence of you lack of comprehension skills and your widespread ignorance.
 
Rich2018 said:
Once, in the mid 17th century. Twice if you count the bloodless English revolution of 1688)

{previous English civil wars were all dynastic struggles)

And the Civil War, was fought by organized armies on what today would be a very small scale indeed


The British, 400 years later, have no need of guns to fight a tyrant as Britain has a Constitutional Monarchy and is run by the rule of law.

Americans have no need either.
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Yes

The Brits are lucky, this time. After QEII

Who knows
 
yankintx said:
Yes

The Brits are lucky, this time. After QEII

Who knows
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In 1977 the Queen celebrated her Silver Jubilee and the thought of Britain ever becoming a republic was unthinkable.

No after the damage Diana, Andrew and Harry have done to the monarchy, who knows ?


My gut feeling is that William will inherit the throne as William IV.
 
Rich2018 said:
That doesn't seem to fit you.



John Paul Stevens, Retired Supreme Court Justice, Calls For 2nd Amendment Repeal : NPR




I think if Biden wins in November, there will be all manner of legislation, for which there is not currently a bill for


And yes, we are a long way from repealing the 2nd amendment
However a year ago, would you have thought a major US city would respond to police brutality by voting unanimously to disband its police department ?

Things are changing, Trump is like some Canute figure trying to hold back the tide

Whereas a few years ago, I'd have agreed with you and said a repeal was "impossible", now I would just say it's "unlikely"




Newsflash: That doesn't make them a "peer" country
I suggest you research what the term means before making yourself look more foolish that you already have done

(Canada is a "peer" country too Btw yet doesn't owe its status to any geographical proximity to the USA)




Not all of the, but the Western European democracies qualify




So what ?

Again you show your ignorance of what a "peer" country is. It is not some facsimile of the USA
Chine and India have much larger populations than the USA but neither would be a "peer" country either




Irrelevant



Irrelevant

At the time neither Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany were democracies - a key criteria for being a "peer" country (hint)




No, it's one of the dumbest interpretations your mind has discerned

No-one has said that gun violence is non-existent in those countries, but rather is very rare
Canada just suffered a mass shooting, and instantly responded to it with further gun control....Americans would simply shrug their shoulders




Nope, more evidence of you lack of comprehension skills and your widespread ignorance.
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More silly jibberish. One irrelevant 97 year old geezer calling for a repeal to the 2nd is not a movement. But idiots only hear what they want to hear. You obviously don't know what peer means. In an effort to eliminate ignorance I will help you out.

Peer: one that is of equal standing with another : EQUAL

Now let me ask you these questions. Is a country that is 2% the size of the US an equal? Is a country with less than 10% of the population of the US an equal? Is a country with a totally different demographic makeup an equal? Is a country with less than 20% of the economy an equal? Is a country that is not even a nuclear power an equal?

The answer to all those is "of course not". You really need to think for yourself and not just rehash disproved liberal talking points. Doing so makes you look quite stupid.
 
BahamaBob said:
More silly jibberish.
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Well I think your posts are silly gibberish (and I even spelled it correctly)


One irrelevant 97 year old geezer calling for a repeal to the 2nd is not a movement.
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What is your criteria for "a movement" ?


But idiots only hear what they want to hear.
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You might want to check your posts for idiocy then as you post replies to your self constructed straw-man as we'll see:


You obviously don't know what peer means. In an effort to eliminate ignorance I will help you out.

Peer: one that is of equal standing with another : EQUAL

Now let me ask you these questions. Is a country that is 2% the size of the US an equal? Is a country with less than 10% of the population of the US an equal? Is a country with a totally different demographic makeup an equal? Is a country with less than 20% of the economy an equal? Is a country that is not even a nuclear power an equal?
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No, "peer" does not mean "equal", it means of similar class/qualities. Perhaps you've heard of a right to trial by jury ?
A jury of one's "peers" ?
And that jury can include people of significantly different weight, height, income, age and be of different gender and race


"U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility"


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U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility | Economic Policy Institute


Just look at the list of "peer countries": New Zealand, Switzerland, Finland, Norway, Denmark...
So a country like Denmark is most definitely a "Peer Country" to the USA
Mexico, Brazil, Russia, India and China are not


You are totally wrong.
What was that about "jibberish" [SIC] and "idiots"


But you may simply wish to dismiss the above as so much garbage and elevate your own opinion to a higher pedestal. If so, please link to a different list of "Peer Countries" specified from the lips of a source only your special kind of idiot would listen to.


The answer to all those is "of course not".
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No, it's "they can be, as a "Peer Country" to the USA does not have to share similar qualities like population size and geographic area.


You really need to think for yourself and not just rehash disproved liberal talking points. Doing so makes you look quite stupid.
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Nope


Spouting off "jibberish" [SIC] like you do is a sure fire way to do that.

Now to your homework:
Research what a "Peer Country" is/means and don't simply use your ignorant opinion
Check web site that discuss comparisons between the USA and "Peer Countries"
Come back to the debate when you've educated yourself and are prepared to post sensible comment, not ignorant rants that simply serve to make you look "foolish".
 
Rich2018 said:
In 1977 the Queen celebrated her Silver Jubilee and the thought of Britain ever becoming a republic was unthinkable.

No after the damage Diana, Andrew and Harry have done to the monarchy, who knows ?


My gut feeling is that William will inherit the throne as William IV.
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Gun Culture is killing Americans almost as fast as COVID.
 
Rich2018 said:
Hammer and cars yes, guns no. There is huge scope to regulate firearms - and it all starts with repealing the 2nd amendment.
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The scope to regulate firearms is unnecessary, since they kill fewer people than alcohol and are currently more regulated than alcohol.
 
MaryP said:
Personal defense: the threat of "I'll kill you with this if you don't stop"
Recreation: killing animals or practicing your aim so you can hit and kill your target more accurately
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People enjoy skeet shooting and competitive shooting as well. 99.9% of firearms in America are never used to kill a human being, and I would wager the majority aren't even used to kill animals. Firearms are ubiquitous tools in modern day America with a variety of uses that only on rare occasion are used to kill.

Compare this to alcohol with zero uses aside from recreationally impairing oneself. Isn't it hypocritical to advocate for regulating something that is less deadly and more useful than alcohol if you are not willing to apply the same standard to alcohol?
 
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