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Black Guns Matter

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Here's a video about Maj Toure, he's the co-founder of Black Guns Matter, an organization which offers free firearm training and safety courses.

While I don't agree with everything he says, what I like about him is he focuses on the strong connection between racism and gun control.

 
It’s always been interesting to me that many people who oppose voter ID are silent about even more restrictive gun control measures that should also have a disparate impact on minorities.
 
X Factor said:
It’s always been interesting to me that many people who oppose voter ID are silent about even more restrictive gun control measures that should also have a disparate impact on minorities.
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Well, hell, just look at Virginia. The dems still repealed the voter ID even when the state provided free ID's for people to vote if they needed one.

Anyway, as long as you have it holstered, I don't care if you are black, white, or lemon-lime.
 
racism has always been a major part of what motivates gun control
 
Drawdown said:
Well, hell, just look at Virginia. The dems still repealed the voter ID even when the state provided free ID's for people to vote if they needed one.

Anyway, as long as you have it holstered, I don't care if you are black, white, or lemon-lime.
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I’m for as many people as possible legally exercising their gun rights.
 
X Factor said:
I’m for as many people as possible legally exercising their gun rights.
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I am not. Too many people with hot tempers and impulse control problems these days.
 
I'm for it, but I have my doubts that most of you really and truly give a ****. If you did, you'd be with the protestors.
 
TurtleDude said:
racism has always been a major part of what motivates gun control
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You mean like when Reagan did it in the 1960s and the NRA supported them?

The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons - HISTORY

Or when the NRA smears someone like Philando Castile, when the militarized police shot him, because ''he had a gun'':

Dana Loesch explains why the NRA didn't defend Philando Castile

Heck, how often does the NRA go to bat for black people who use ''he or she had a gun'' as an excuse to shoot them?

The NRA Has Spent Decades Warning About Police Crackdowns. Now It’s Utterly Silent. – Mother Jones

The NRA’s Catch-22 for Black Men Shot by Police - The Atlantic

The NRA Shows How it Feels About African-Americans - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

https://www.upworthy.com/gun-rights-activists-silent-in-breonna-taylor-case

What is a conservative small government for people like Philando Castile, the thumb of the militarized police pressing down on them all the time?

It seems like NRA will always put the Southern Strategy above small government or the 2A or anything else they claim is important.
 
Yes_Minister said:
You mean like when Reagan did it in the 1960s and the NRA supported them?

The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons - HISTORY

Or when the NRA smears someone like Philando Castile, when the militarized police shot him, because ''he had a gun'':

Dana Loesch explains why the NRA didn't defend Philando Castile

Heck, how often does the NRA go to bat for black people who use ''he or she had a gun'' as an excuse to shoot them?

The NRA Has Spent Decades Warning About Police Crackdowns. Now It’s Utterly Silent. – Mother Jones

The NRA’s Catch-22 for Black Men Shot by Police - The Atlantic

The NRA Shows How it Feels About African-Americans - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

https://www.upworthy.com/gun-rights-activists-silent-in-breonna-taylor-case

What is a conservative small government for people like Philando Castile, the thumb of the militarized police pressing down on them all the time?

It seems like NRA will always put the Southern Strategy above small government or the 2A or anything else they claim is important.
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1) Jim Crow laws were the first major state gun control laws-targeting blacks

2) the Sullivan law in NYC was aimed at Italians.

3) the GCA of68 and its reference to "saturday night specials" was aimed at blacks

Most cities with strict gun control laws are ones that have lots of black on black crime-DC and Chicago's bans were in reaction to black gun crime.
 
Drawdown said:
I am not. Too many people with hot tempers and impulse control problems these days.
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so how do you draw a line or do you just pass gun bans figuring its ok to disarm lots of good folks, if it impacts ones that don't meet your standards?
 
TurtleDude said:
so how do you draw a line or do you just pass gun bans figuring its ok to disarm lots of good folks, if it impacts ones that don't meet your standards?
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I didn't say a word about drawing any line whatsoever. I just do not wish for everyone who can have a gun exercising their right to do so.
 
TurtleDude said:
1) Jim Crow laws were the first major state gun control laws-targeting blacks

2) the Sullivan law in NYC was aimed at Italians.

3) the GCA of68 and its reference to "saturday night specials" was aimed at blacks

Most cities with strict gun control laws are ones that have lots of black on black crime-DC and Chicago's bans were in reaction to black gun crime.
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Weren't the Jim Crow laws in the South brought in by the ''states rights'' former Confederates? It's almost like the ''states rights'' arguments has done nothing to help African Americans:

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And why does that negate Reagan's actions in California?

And are my articles about the NRA almost never going to bat for black gun owners like Philando Castile who were killed by the militarized police wrong? How so?

Does Blue Lives Matter trump the 2A rights of someone like Castile?
 
Welkin said:
I'm for it, but I have my doubts that most of you really and truly give a ****. If you did, you'd be with the protestors.
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Uhm, are you?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Weren't the Jim Crow laws in the South brought in by the ''states rights'' former Confederates? It's almost like the ''states rights'' arguments has done nothing to help African Americans:

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And why does that negate Reagan's actions in California?

And are my articles about the NRA almost never going to bat for black gun owners like Philando Castile who were killed by the militarized police wrong? How so?

Does Blue Lives Matter trump the 2A rights of someone like Castile?
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Lets see-Castile obtained a CCW and a firearm by lying on the forms. He was a frequent user of Marijuana which made him legally incompetent to own or carry a firearm.

I find it interesting that the people who most want to disarm citizens also are the most anti cop
 
aociswundumho said:
Here's a video about Maj Toure, he's the co-founder of Black Guns Matter, an organization which offers free firearm training and safety courses.

While I don't agree with everything he says, what I like about him is he focuses on the strong connection between racism and gun control.

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Fun to see someone so ignorant that they don't know the legacy of Ronald Reagan and the Black Panthers.

Shotguns in Oakland.

And you don't even know what the means.
 
TurtleDude said:
Lets see-Castile obtained a CCW and a firearm by lying on the forms. He was a frequent user of Marijuana which made him legally incompetent to own or carry a firearm.

I find it interesting that the people who most want to disarm citizens also are the most anti cop
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So smoking Marijuana is a crime worthy of death now? Is that your small government, agents of the state can kill you if you do not act perfectly in front of them? Are cops public servants or public masters? Your small-government ideas never seem to be interested in taking on systemic racism that violates the rights of black people, probably because NRA and supposed 2A fundamentalists are really servants of the Southern Strategy. Would Castile still be alive if he didn't have a gun? Do you think there is no contradiction between saying everyone should have a gun and saying the cops can shoot someone solely because they have a gun?

Frankly, I think if you are 2A fundamentalist who also supports the Blue Lives Matter movement you support making society more actively dangerous for black people.

Tell me something, you keep on saying people need to get hoard guns to defend themselves if the government becomes tyrannical, but how many people hoard guns because they want to prepare for a race war and thus are pretty bigotted?

Report: White Men Stockpile Guns Because They’re Afraid of Black People

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns? - Scientific American Blog Network

Are those people, good gun owners?
 
Yes_Minister said:
So smoking Marijuana is a crime worthy of death now? Is that your small government, agents of the state can kill you if you do not act perfectly in front of them? Are cops public servants or public masters? Your small-government ideas never seem to be interested in taking on systemic racism that violates the rights of black people, probably because NRA and supposed 2A fundamentalists are really servants of the Southern Strategy. Would Castile still be alive if he didn't have a gun? Do you think there is no contradiction between saying everyone should have a gun and saying the cops can shoot someone solely because they have a gun?

Frankly, I think if you are 2A fundamentalist who also supports the Blue Lives Matter movement you support making society more actively dangerous for black people.

Tell me something, you keep on saying people need to get hoard guns to defend themselves if the government becomes tyrannical, but how many people hoard guns because they are looking forward to a race war?

Report: White Men Stockpile Guns Because They’re Afraid of Black People

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns? - Scientific American Blog Network

Are those people, good gun owners?
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Why would the NRA jump in to defend someone who had violated several laws before he was shot? I think the cop panicked but Castile is hardly a poster child for a righteous gun owner done wrong by the cops.

Given that more than half the murders are committed by blacks, whites buying guns for self defense against criminals makes sense. I have equal opportunity firearms though. Someone breaks into my house or tries to rob me on the street-I am shooting them no matter what color they are.

If people stockpiling guns don't have records, then they are presumed to be good people,

do you have some issue with the presumption of innocence or do you just dislike whites who own guns since we tend to vote against the bannerrhoid party (Democrats)
 
I'm probably one of the most viciously angry people on this board on this matter. Five years ago I scolded other libs for condoning riots. Now? **** it, blue lives don't matter. Nobody listens until **** starts burning.
 
TurtleDude said:
Why would the NRA jump in to defend someone who had violated several laws before he was shot? I think the cop panicked but Castile is hardly a poster child for a righteous gun owner done wrong by the cops.
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Ah, so Castile was ''no angel'' so his rights don't matter and his life forfeit? Is that about right?

Michael Brown 'no angel' controversy - BBC News

So what crime did Castile commit that made his life forfeit?


It seems convenient, this no angel argument seems to apply to any member of the black community conservatives do not like, it means they can sit back and just let the militarized police stomp all over the black community.

Does the 2A only apply to angels now?

TurtleDude said:
Given that more than half the murders are committed by blacks, whites buying guns for self defense against criminals makes sense. I have equal opportunity firearms though. Someone breaks into my house or tries to rob me on the street-I am shooting them no matter what color they are.
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Yeah, treat African Americans like second class citizens for decades, use redlining to deny them economic opportunities, and then demean them when their community is improvised due to systemic racism and people commit crime do to a lack of economic opportunities. I doubt you want to do anything about that either.

And you really think people who believe in a race war are not racist?


TurtleDude said:
If people stockpiling guns don't have records, then they are presumed to be good people,

do you have some issue with the presumption of innocence or do you just dislike whites who own guns since we tend to vote against the bannerrhoid party (Democrats)
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Presumption of innocence is a legal standard, not a social one, it doesn't apply to people individual judgments on others.

I do not like supposed 2A fundamentalists because I think are hypocrites and many of them do not think the 2A really applies to the majority of the black community, do not care about the rights of people in the black community at all and want the black community to be under the thumb of the militarized police.

Why do I believe that read those articles I posted, I doubt you can refute them.

https://www.chicagoreader.com/Blead...es-the-second-amendment-apply-to-black-people

Does the 2nd Amendment apply to African Americans? - Los Angeles Times

How often would you take the side of a black gun owner over the militarized police?
 
Yes_Minister said:
Ah, so Castile was ''no angel'' so his rights don't matter and his life forfeit? Is that about right?

Michael Brown 'no angel' controversy - BBC News

So what crime did Castile commit that made his life forfeit?


It seems convenient, this no angel argument seems to apply to any member of the black community conservatives do not like, it means they can sit back and just let the militarized police stomp all over the black community.

Does the 2A only apply to angels now?



Yeah, treat African Americans like second class citizens for decades, use redlining to deny them economic opportunities, and then demean them when their community is improvised due to systemic racism and people commit crime do to a lack of economic opportunities. I doubt you want to do anything about that either.

And you really think people who believe in a race war are not racist?




Presumption of innocence is a legal standard, not a social one, it doesn't apply to people individual judgments on others.

I do not like supposed 2A fundamentalists because I think are hypocrites and many of them do not think the 2A really applies to the majority of the black community, do not care about the rights of people in the black community at all and want the black community to be under the thumb of the militarized police.

Why do I believe that read those articles I posted, I doubt you can refute them.

https://www.chicagoreader.com/Blead...es-the-second-amendment-apply-to-black-people

How often would you take the side of a black gun owner over the militarized police?
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is your whining about the NRA really based on an honest belief they don't stick up for felons who are black and are packing or is your hatred over the fact that the NRA helps elect Republicans and defeat Democrats

are you a member of the NRA? if not, you really have no relevance in what they do

I have opposed the war on drugs for over 50 years-and because from age 18-22 and 26-45 I was on the NADA list (as an athlete) I never was much of a user-a few joints here and there during a short period of time when I wasn't competing. But FDR's expansion of the commerce clause allowed that stupid war on drugs and the concurrent diminution of civil rights as a result
 
Welkin said:
I'm probably one of the most viciously angry people on this board on this matter. Five years ago I scolded other libs for condoning riots. Now? **** it, blue lives don't matter. Nobody listens until **** starts burning.
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why don't you all bring your riots and looting to areas where police, NRA members and conservatives live, rather than burning black owned businesses or destroying the businesses of people who cater to blacks? I know lots of guys who are just itching for you all to show up in their neighborhoods and start smashing windows and trying to beat motorists.
 
TurtleDude said:
is your whining about the NRA really based on an honest belief they don't stick up for felons who are black and are packing or is your hatred over the fact that the NRA helps elect Republicans and defeat Democrats
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The Republicans are servants of the Southern Strategy and want to take away freedom from the black community, with stuff like this:

The Secret Files of the Master of Modern Republican Gerrymandering | The New Yorker

Why should I want good things for them? They want to take away the freedom of people they do not like.

TurtleDude said:
are you a member of the NRA? if not, you really have no relevance in what they do
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The NRA is part of the Southern Strategy power structure, it deserves criticism simply for that:

Gun Culture Has Always Been About White Supremacy | The New Republic

The NRA Has Spent Decades Warning About Police Crackdowns. Now It’s Utterly Silent. – Mother Jones

I am not whining about them, I simply identify their real motives and criticize them for it, they are dishonest about the real cause they serve, the 2A or small government will always take a back seat to the Southern Strategy for them.

TurtleDude said:
I have opposed the war on drugs for over 50 years-and because from age 18-22 and 26-45 I was on the NADA list (as an athlete) I never was much of a user-a few joints here and there during a short period of time when I wasn't competing. But FDR's expansion of the commerce clause allowed that stupid war on drugs and the concurrent diminution of civil rights as a result
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And conservatives like Nixon and Reagan didn't weaponize it against the black community?

Nixon adviser Ehrlichman explains anti-left, anti-black war on drugs - Business Insider

Was Nixon's war on drugs a racially motivated crusade? It's a bit more complicated. - Vox

So we established that Castile did not commit a crime worthy of death, so tell me, what do you suggest be done so we never see an incident like the Castile one not be repeated? How can black people exercise the 2A if the militarized police can use gun ownership as an excuse to shoot them?

The conservative small-government ideology is a lie and thus not worthy of respect, its always been a dog whistle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/opinion/trump-republicans-racism.html
 
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TurtleDude said:
why don't you all bring your riots and looting to areas where police, NRA members and conservatives live, rather than burning black owned businesses or destroying the businesses of people who cater to blacks? I know lots of guys who are just itching for you all to show up in their neighborhoods and start smashing windows and trying to beat motorists.
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I'm not the one out there rioting and I have no say in where it occurs. I'm just no longer shocked when people get outraged and start burning **** down. I would think that libertarians and second amendment upholders would be a bit more symphathetic towards this cause. Personally, I can only commit to my off days, and, only if the fight comes to me, but hey, if you have the time, resources, will, and the ability to lead and direct this movement, then more power to you.
 
TurtleDude said:
Lets see-Castile obtained a CCW and a firearm by lying on the forms. He was a frequent user of Marijuana which made him legally incompetent to own or carry a firearm.

I find it interesting that the people who most want to disarm citizens also are the most anti cop
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Not only that, but many people have the facts wrong on that case. Of course Castile should not have been killed. Yanez overreacted and at best maybe could have asked some questions pertaining to the legality of Castile's firearm. But Castile partly contributed to what happened. If you watch the video, Castile says, and I quote, "I have to tell you I have a gun". Every CCW holder who is not a stupid ass, ( or high on weed ) knows that the statement you make to the officer is "I am a CCW holder and I do have my firearm on me right now, how would you like me to proceed?" That is NOT what Castile told Yanez, which didn't do alot to put him at ease.
 
Yes_Minister said:
So smoking Marijuana is a crime worthy of death now? Is that your small government, agents of the state can kill you if you do not act perfectly in front of them? Are cops public servants or public masters? Your small-government ideas never seem to be interested in taking on systemic racism that violates the rights of black people, probably because NRA and supposed 2A fundamentalists are really servants of the Southern Strategy. Would Castile still be alive if he didn't have a gun? Do you think there is no contradiction between saying everyone should have a gun and saying the cops can shoot someone solely because they have a gun?

Frankly, I think if you are 2A fundamentalist who also supports the Blue Lives Matter movement you support making society more actively dangerous for black people.

Tell me something, you keep on saying people need to get hoard guns to defend themselves if the government becomes tyrannical, but how many people hoard guns because they want to prepare for a race war and thus are pretty bigotted?

Report: White Men Stockpile Guns Because They’re Afraid of Black People

Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns? - Scientific American Blog Network

Are those people, good gun owners?
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I'm white. I have lots of guns. I have them because I like to collect different ones just like people who collect cars like to have different ones. They all shoot differently and have somewhat different uses. I also like to have some so that I can defend myself against criminals, both in my home and when out and about. Race war? Never crossed my mind. Civil war? Maybe, if things keep going the way they are. Judging by how many white people are supporting BLM, I dont see how this country is so racist much less that there is an imminent race war. People who think that way are on the extreme fringes anyway and wield no power or influence.
 
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