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Chillfolks said:
I would of viewed a diffrence between a random person on the internet giving bad advice and a supposed professional firearms giving bad advice.
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*have viewed

Really ?
How so ?

Bad advice is bad advice.
 
Rich2018 said:
*have viewed

Really ?
How so ?

Bad advice is bad advice.
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One is the opinion of someone who doesn't have the technical training as is probably sinply going off of YouTube videos regurgitating bad information out of ignorance.


The other is an opinion of someone who is supposed to be trained professional. Any competent person regardless of training should understand that the best choice of firearm for home protection is whatever firearm you as an individual are most comfortable with. An instructor who doesn't give that advice and instead pushes their idea, of what is needed, as the only acceptable one is doing their students a disservice and IMO negligent in their training.

Bad advice from someone who doesn't know better is one thing Bad advice from someone who is supposedly a trained professional is just worse in my opinion.
 
Chillfolks said:
One is the opinion of someone who doesn't have the technical training as is probably sinply going off of YouTube videos regurgitating bad information out of ignorance.


The other is an opinion of someone who is supposed to be trained professional.
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Bad advice is still bad advice


Any competent person regardless of training should understand that the best choice of firearm for home protection is whatever firearm you as an individual are most comfortable with.
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I disagree

If you're only comfortable with tools that are not fit for purpose, you need to gain that comfortability


An instructor who doesn't give that advice and instead pushes their idea, of what is needed, as the only acceptable one is doing their students a disservice and IMO negligent in their training.
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An instructor on guns needs to instruct the use of the guns he's qualified to instruct on

An instructor or advisor on home defense needs to instruct you how to defend your home


Bad advice from someone who doesn't know better is one thing Bad advice from someone who is supposedly a trained professional is just worse in my opinion.
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Bad advice is bad advice and a good instructor knows when a student needs to step outside of their comfort zone in order to accomplish the task they set for themselves.
 
Rich2018 said:
Bad advice is still bad advice
I see a diffrence based on the source

I disagree

If you're only comfortable with tools that are not fit for purpose, you need to gain that comfortability
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I agree training outside your comfort zone is good. A handgun or rifle are tools that are perfectly fit for home defense and they were recommend in the link I posted.

An instructor on guns needs to instruct the use of the guns he's qualified to instruct on

An instructor or advisor on home defense needs to instruct you how to defend your home
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The best way to defend your home is uaing the option you are most comfortable with. As you expand your comfort zone over time the choice you make in home defense can also change.
Bad advice is bad advice and a good instructor knows when a student needs to step outside of their comfort zone in order to accomplish the task they set for themselves.
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I would agree an instructor should challeng his students. Any trained instructor would say in a low light, half asleep, high stress situation choose the weapon you are most comfortable with. That is not the appropriate time to challenge yourself to go outside any comfort zone.
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Chillfolks said:
I see a diffrence based on the source
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I don't
I see a difference based on the soundness of the advice


I agree training outside your comfort zone is good. A handgun or rifle are tools that are perfectly fit for home defense and they were recommend in the link I posted.
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So a good home defense instructor should instruct/train you on them even if you're not comfortable with their operation and use ?

(or same with a shotgun)


The best way to defend your home is uaing the option you are most comfortable with. As you expand your comfort zone over time the choice you make in home defense can also change.
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Provided what you're comfortable with is fit for purpose

No use taking a knife to a gun fight so to speak


Any trained instructor would say in a low light, half asleep, high stress situation choose the weapon you are most comfortable with. That is not the appropriate time to challenge yourself to go outside any comfort zone.
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Indeed, but if you have the right tool for the job, you have to be comfortable using that tool if you really want to get the job done.


I personally would use a shotgun, unless I had a very large house, in which case a suppressed sub-machinegun like the MP-5 (but by no means restricted to that model).
 
CLAX1911 said:
I think the major drawback with revolvers is there low capacity and the slower reload. However there are good things about revolvers. It's almost impossible for them to jam they don't stovepipe. They don't eject the cartridge so sight picture recovery is shorter. And with some proper Moon clips and a little bit of time at the range you can get pretty quick with a reload.
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So revolvers don't jam ?


"If you’ve been around the shooting sports and self defense community for any length of time, you’ve probably heard your share of firearms myths. At least one person says that you should get a revolver for self defense because “revolvers don’t jam...
Revolvers do jam. It’s important to remember that our guns, be it a .357 Magnum revolver, a .45 ACP 1911, or a 9mm Beretta, are all machines. There are no magic swords out there! But believing in magic swords isn’t the only gun related myth we’re dealing with. Some of them can be even more unusual than others, such as our next example. ”


Check out myth #1


https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/revolvers-dont-jam-firearms-myths/&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0]Revolver and Firearm Myths | USCCA Gun Education[/url]
 
Rich2018 said:
So revolvers don't jam ?


"If you’ve been around the shooting sports and self defense community for any length of time, you’ve probably heard your share of firearms myths. At least one person says that you should get a revolver for self defense because “revolvers don’t jam...
Revolvers do jam. It’s important to remember that our guns, be it a .357 Magnum revolver, a .45 ACP 1911, or a 9mm Beretta, are all machines. There are no magic swords out there! But believing in magic swords isn’t the only gun related myth we’re dealing with. Some of them can be even more unusual than others, such as our next example. ”


Check out myth #1


https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/revolvers-dont-jam-firearms-myths/&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsrc=0]Revolver and Firearm Myths | USCCA Gun Education[/url]
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I said it was almost impossible for them to jam.


Read more carefully in the future please.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I said it was almost impossible for them to jam.


Read more carefully in the future please.
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The article shows that it is far from a near impossibility to see a revolver jam

The can and ***DO*** jam

Read more carefully please.
 
Rich2018 said:
The article shows that it is far from a near impossibility to see a revolver jam

The can and ***DO*** jam

Read more carefully please.
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It's almost impossible. I'll take on your article.

Link to article is broken.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
It's almost impossible. I'll take on your article.

Link to article is broken.
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They've cached it. Here's another one - again stating that a revolver jamming is far from a near impossibility:



"A revolver never jams!”

I hear this one virtually every time I visit a gun store. Given what I do for a living, I simply can’t help picking up the sales conversations at the gun counter. Yeah, I know. That’s nosey and none of my business. Whether it’s my business to overhear or not, the statement still makes me cringe.
Listening to the “infallibility of the revolver” argument, you’d think that semiautomatic pistols were some new and untested invention like smart guns. They’re not. Semiautomatic pistols have been in common use for nearly a century, and they’ve been the law enforcement go-to handgun platform for decades. Even still, we collectively spend countless hours arguing about what’s the better concealed carry option: revolver or semiautomatic. Because time won’t kill itself, apparently...

...I’ve shot plenty of .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum and not yet had this happen, but others have. Probably? No. Possible? Yes."




Concealed Carry Myths: Semi-autos Suck Because Revolvers Don’t Jam | OutdoorHub
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's almost impossible. I'll take on your article.

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I found the original cached .

And others.

And they all pretty much agree with you.

Yes, a revolver *can* jam. Anything man-made *can* fail.

It is simply less likely with a revolver.
 
Rich2018 said:
So revolvers can and do jam

And it is far fom "near impossible" for a revolver to jam.
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Nobody claimed that a revolver could not jam. That claim was your dishonest characterization of the statement of others. The definition of a strawman.
 
HERE IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO A REVOLVER:

During recoil, the bullets in the non-firing chambers may creep out of their shell casing causing the bullet to collide with the barrel’s forcing cone thereby locking up the cylinder. In order to clear this jam, you will need a mallet and a dowel rod so that you can tap (or pound) the bullet back into the shell casing. That’s a difficult task to perform during the stress of a self-defense encounter.

Bullet creep can be caused by an improperly crimped bullet (and I have seen this happen with factory ammo as well as reloads) or by shooting high velocity loads in a lightweight revolver. A close inspection of your ammo may reveal imperfections in the crimp and your owner’s manual will generally warn you against the types of ammo not to use in your lightweight handgun.

During recoil on Smith & Wesson revolvers (usually those made prior to 2000) the ejector rods can unscrew themselves jamming the cylinder shut. It is a good idea to check the tightness of the ejector rod before use.

The ejector rod can get bent and interfere with the closing of the cylinder. This occurs when the firearm has been dropped on the ejector rod or when the revolver has been mishandled, usually by someone flipping the cylinder closed as they had seen James Cagney do in a plethora of gangster movies.

A bent moon clip can completely stop the cylinder from moving. Worse yet is that the moon clip may prevent you from opening the cylinder to remove it. Moon clips are stamped out from sheets of spring steel. They need to be malleable enough so that you can force the rounds into the clips but that also means the tines of the clip can be easily bent out of alignment.

The hand and the teeth on the cylinder star, which causes the cylinder to rotate, can become worn over time causing malfunctions in rotation and the ability to open the cylinder. These parts should be periodically inspected by a qualified gunsmith. I have been hearing the myth of revolver infallibility as long as I have been a shooter.



Gun Myth: Revolvers Don’t Jam — Stock And Barrel Gun Club
 
~ Thanks to the "No More Cops" chanting by Democrats there are a lot more people buying a gun for the first time.
Thank you Democrat Party .
 
Rich2018 said:
They've cached it. Here's another one - again stating that a revolver jamming is far from a near impossibility:



"A revolver never jams!”

I hear this one virtually every time I visit a gun store. Given what I do for a living, I simply can’t help picking up the sales conversations at the gun counter. Yeah, I know. That’s nosey and none of my business. Whether it’s my business to overhear or not, the statement still makes me cringe.
Listening to the “infallibility of the revolver” argument, you’d think that semiautomatic pistols were some new and untested invention like smart guns. They’re not. Semiautomatic pistols have been in common use for nearly a century, and they’ve been the law enforcement go-to handgun platform for decades. Even still, we collectively spend countless hours arguing about what’s the better concealed carry option: revolver or semiautomatic. Because time won’t kill itself, apparently...

...I’ve shot plenty of .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum and not yet had this happen, but others have. Probably? No. Possible? Yes."




Concealed Carry Myths: Semi-autos Suck Because Revolvers Don’t Jam | OutdoorHub
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Smart guy. I didn't say they never jam.
 
Rich2018 said:
HERE IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO A REVOLVER:

During recoil, the bullets in the non-firing chambers may creep out of their shell casing causing the bullet to collide with the barrel’s forcing cone thereby locking up the cylinder. In order to clear this jam, you will need a mallet and a dowel rod so that you can tap (or pound) the bullet back into the shell casing. That’s a difficult task to perform during the stress of a self-defense encounter.

Bullet creep can be caused by an improperly crimped bullet (and I have seen this happen with factory ammo as well as reloads) or by shooting high velocity loads in a lightweight revolver. A close inspection of your ammo may reveal imperfections in the crimp and your owner’s manual will generally warn you against the types of ammo not to use in your lightweight handgun.

During recoil on Smith & Wesson revolvers (usually those made prior to 2000) the ejector rods can unscrew themselves jamming the cylinder shut. It is a good idea to check the tightness of the ejector rod before use.

The ejector rod can get bent and interfere with the closing of the cylinder. This occurs when the firearm has been dropped on the ejector rod or when the revolver has been mishandled, usually by someone flipping the cylinder closed as they had seen James Cagney do in a plethora of gangster movies.

A bent moon clip can completely stop the cylinder from moving. Worse yet is that the moon clip may prevent you from opening the cylinder to remove it. Moon clips are stamped out from sheets of spring steel. They need to be malleable enough so that you can force the rounds into the clips but that also means the tines of the clip can be easily bent out of alignment.

The hand and the teeth on the cylinder star, which causes the cylinder to rotate, can become worn over time causing malfunctions in rotation and the ability to open the cylinder. These parts should be periodically inspected by a qualified gunsmith. I have been hearing the myth of revolver infallibility as long as I have been a shooter.



Gun Myth: Revolvers Don’t Jam — Stock And Barrel Gun Club
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Who has claimed that a revolver "jam" is an impossibility?
 
Rich2018 said:
HERE IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO A REVOLVER:

During recoil, the bullets in the non-firing chambers may creep out of their shell casing causing the bullet to collide with the barrel’s forcing cone thereby locking up the cylinder. In order to clear this jam, you will need a mallet and a dowel rod so that you can tap (or pound) the bullet back into the shell casing. That’s a difficult task to perform during the stress of a self-defense encounter.

Bullet creep can be caused by an improperly crimped bullet (and I have seen this happen with factory ammo as well as reloads) or by shooting high velocity loads in a lightweight revolver. A close inspection of your ammo may reveal imperfections in the crimp and your owner’s manual will generally warn you against the types of ammo not to use in your lightweight handgun.

During recoil on Smith & Wesson revolvers (usually those made prior to 2000) the ejector rods can unscrew themselves jamming the cylinder shut. It is a good idea to check the tightness of the ejector rod before use.

The ejector rod can get bent and interfere with the closing of the cylinder. This occurs when the firearm has been dropped on the ejector rod or when the revolver has been mishandled, usually by someone flipping the cylinder closed as they had seen James Cagney do in a plethora of gangster movies.

A bent moon clip can completely stop the cylinder from moving. Worse yet is that the moon clip may prevent you from opening the cylinder to remove it. Moon clips are stamped out from sheets of spring steel. They need to be malleable enough so that you can force the rounds into the clips but that also means the tines of the clip can be easily bent out of alignment.

The hand and the teeth on the cylinder star, which causes the cylinder to rotate, can become worn over time causing malfunctions in rotation and the ability to open the cylinder. These parts should be periodically inspected by a qualified gunsmith. I have been hearing the myth of revolver infallibility as long as I have been a shooter.



Gun Myth: Revolvers Don’t Jam — Stock And Barrel Gun Club
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Yeah never said it couldn't happen. I said it was almost impossible.

You really need to read and understand completely before you run your mouth.
 
Rich2018 said:
HERE IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO A REVOLVER:

During recoil, the bullets in the non-firing chambers may creep out of their shell casing causing the bullet to collide with the barrel’s forcing cone thereby locking up the cylinder. In order to clear this jam, you will need a mallet and a dowel rod so that you can tap (or pound) the bullet back into the shell casing. That’s a difficult task to perform during the stress of a self-defense encounter.

Bullet creep can be caused by an improperly crimped bullet (and I have seen this happen with factory ammo as well as reloads) or by shooting high velocity loads in a lightweight revolver. A close inspection of your ammo may reveal imperfections in the crimp and your owner’s manual will generally warn you against the types of ammo not to use in your lightweight handgun.

During recoil on Smith & Wesson revolvers (usually those made prior to 2000) the ejector rods can unscrew themselves jamming the cylinder shut. It is a good idea to check the tightness of the ejector rod before use.

The ejector rod can get bent and interfere with the closing of the cylinder. This occurs when the firearm has been dropped on the ejector rod or when the revolver has been mishandled, usually by someone flipping the cylinder closed as they had seen James Cagney do in a plethora of gangster movies.

A bent moon clip can completely stop the cylinder from moving. Worse yet is that the moon clip may prevent you from opening the cylinder to remove it. Moon clips are stamped out from sheets of spring steel. They need to be malleable enough so that you can force the rounds into the clips but that also means the tines of the clip can be easily bent out of alignment.

The hand and the teeth on the cylinder star, which causes the cylinder to rotate, can become worn over time causing malfunctions in rotation and the ability to open the cylinder. These parts should be periodically inspected by a qualified gunsmith. I have been hearing the myth of revolver infallibility as long as I have been a shooter.



Gun Myth: Revolvers Don’t Jam — Stock And Barrel Gun Club
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Yeah never said it couldn't happen. I said it was almost impossible.

You really need to read and understand completely before you run your mouth.
 
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