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First Time Gun Buyers Like Semi Automatic Handguns

Fledermaus said:
Double action + Speed-loaders.

And a revolver ingests and level of boom without jamming. From target wad-cutters to Planet Wrecker Specials.

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Never had a revolver fail to feed eject a round, or be ammo sensative.

Semis do have some advantages and if you know how to handle and negate any jamming issues could be a better option. However if you shoot less than 100 rounds ever few years I recommend revolver all the way.
 
Rich2018 said:
No it isn't

In low light, one hand can always find the other

Ejecting a magazine from a semi-auto is far easier that a revolver - you don't have to take your eye off your target and your weapon can always point down range

It takes practice with a speed loader, none at all with a new magazine for a semi-auto.
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You could not be more wrong even if you tried.

I will take personal experience and the options of many professionals on the subject of revolvers over the opinion of someone who admits they almost soil themselves out of fear if they see someone walk into a restaurant with a gun on their side.

Keep being wrong it's really what your good at.
 
Rich2018 said:
What would I not know about that highly over-rated weapon ?
(which I grant you, does jam and suffers stoppages)
No, you failed by suggesting revolvers were simpler to use when absolutely they are not
It's a design well over 100 years old
It has low capacity and uses an outdated ammunition
OK
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For beginners, revolvers are simpler. For the following reasons, which I stated before but you ignored. (because you have no logical answer)'

Revolvers don't need to be field stripped to clean. Just run a bore brush through them. Revolvers aren't picky about ammunition; most everything will work in them. You can even mismatch ammo in the same cylinder and the gun will fire properly. Many revolvers are even multi-caliber; like .38/357, or .45/410. This is a great advantage for newbies, who won't know how to properly dismantle a semi-auto weapon, nor will they know how to evaluate what ammunition their semi-auto works best with. And what I mean by "properly", is that when field stripping a semi-auto, it is necessary to recognize abnormal wear, like a slide pounding the frame (usually because the cartridge doesn't match the spring), poor lockup, and feed ramp problems. The ammunition in a semi-automatic must match the springs and other components to function properly. There is a wide variety of ammunition available for most all semi-automatics; some will work and feed properly, and some will cause problems. Only an experienced shooter can sort that out.

A double action revolver is very concealable and light weight; and the easiest kind of handgun to shoot while under the huge amount of stress encountered in a self-defense incident. You just point and shoot. No need to remember to release the safety, or rack a round into the chamber. Just point and shoot. In 99% of cases six rounds will be sufficient. Another great advantage for the newbie shooter.

I was sure you didn't know anything about the 1911. And your silly statements prove it. You posted a video but obviously didn't read the comments. Most of the comments ridiculed the video. But you're right, the 1911 is over 100 years old, and still probably the most popular handgun ever designed, or at least it's near the top. There's a reason for that. It is dependable; but dependability rests on the gun being of decent quality and set up for the ammo it will shoot. There are thousands of mods available for the 1911, and hundreds of manufacturers over the years. Most of them produce high quality 1911's, but some are very crudely made. Looks like that's the kind you're familiar with. And yeah, they can jam. Maybe you can trade that piece of junk off to some stupid newbie...oh...wait....that's why you bought it. no wonder you're having problems.

And the 1911 isn't restricted to "out dated ammunition", whatever that is. It is made for .45ACP....9mm...10mm...38Super....40SW.....400Corbon.....and has even been seen in 50GI...22TCM....and of course the lowly, but venerated .22long rifle. So you consider all of these "out dated ammunition"?

Well, there you have it. You got spanked again. But you must love it, you keep coming back for more. I accept your surrender.....again
 
Chillfolks said:
You could not be more wrong even if you tried.

I will take personal experience and the options of many professionals on the subject of revolvers over the opinion of someone who admits they almost soil themselves out of fear if they see someone walk into a restaurant with a gun on their side.

Keep being wrong it's really what your good at.
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I don't think you could be more wrong if you tried

I will take my personal experience over your uninformed views

Suggesting that a revolver is easier to reload that a semi-automatic is patently ridiculous
(If you don't believe me, check out any web site or YouTube video for the pros & cons of revolver Vs semi=automatic).
 
Waddy said:
For beginners, revolvers are simpler.
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I absolutely disagree, if someone wanted a handgun and had never touch a gun before - they would be far better off getting a modern semi-auto than any revolver

When they've acquired some experience and skill, they might want to try a revolver

The same way that a new car driver is better off learning in an automatic car than one with a stick-shift


Revolvers don't need to be field stripped to clean. Just run a bore brush through them. Revolvers aren't picky about ammunition; most everything will work in them. You can even mismatch ammo in the same cylinder and the gun will fire properly. Many revolvers are even multi-caliber; like .38/357, or .45/410. This is a great advantage for newbies, who won't know how to properly dismantle a semi-auto weapon, nor will they know how to evaluate what ammunition their semi-auto works best with. And what I mean by "properly", is that when field stripping a semi-auto, it is necessary to recognize abnormal wear, like a slide pounding the frame (usually because the cartridge doesn't match the spring), poor lockup, and feed ramp problems. The ammunition in a semi-automatic must match the springs and other components to function properly. There is a wide variety of ammunition available for most all semi-automatics; some will work and feed properly, and some will cause problems. Only an experienced shooter can sort that out.

A double action revolver is very concealable and light weight; and the easiest kind of handgun to shoot while under the huge amount of stress encountered in a self-defense incident. You just point and shoot. No need to remember to release the safety, or rack a round into the chamber. Just point and shoot. In 99% of cases six rounds will be sufficient. Another great advantage for the newbie shooter.

I was sure you didn't know anything about the 1911. And your silly statements prove it. You posted a video but obviously didn't read the comments. Most of the comments ridiculed the video. But you're right, the 1911 is over 100 years old, and still probably the most popular handgun ever designed, or at least it's near the top. There's a reason for that. It is dependable; but dependability rests on the gun being of decent quality and set up for the ammo it will shoot. There are thousands of mods available for the 1911, and hundreds of manufacturers over the years. Most of them produce high quality 1911's, but some are very crudely made. Looks like that's the kind you're familiar with. And yeah, they can jam. Maybe you can trade that piece of junk off to some stupid newbie...oh...wait....that's why you bought it. no wonder you're having problems.

And the 1911 isn't restricted to "out dated ammunition", whatever that is. It is made for .45ACP....9mm...10mm...38Super....40SW.....400Corbon.....and has even been seen in 50GI...22TCM....and of course the lowly, but venerated .22long rifle. So you consider all of these "out dated ammunition"?
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It might be that cleaning a revolver is easier, but using one certainly isn't

And what's hard about knowing to put 9mm ammunition into a 9mm hand gun ?

I think I already mentioned it but you can re-load a semi-automatic without looking at it and your gun always points "down range"

Revolvers tend to be a bit bulkier to as well as generally having less ammunition capacity

The .45" ACP is most definitely outdated ammunition. 9mm is cheaper and your gun will carry more - it's also easier to shoot
9mm is also perfectly capable of doing anything you want with it
9mm might be a fun round for more experienced shooters, but no beginner should entertain using one much less carrying one



You got spanked again. But you must love it, you keep coming back for more. I accept your surrender.....again
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But I've already spanked you and your "sword" sits proudly in my collection

The law of armed conflict describes someone who surrenders and then tries to come back into the fight as "treachery".
 
rickc said:
Operating a simi-auto handgun takes practice. Not one of those things you should purchase, load and put it in the nightstand for that middle of the night emergency. I feel that is what most of these first time buyers do.

I have lots of guns. Never have I purchased one for personal defense. I buy them because I like hunting, shooting and reloading. They are my hobbies.
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Not really. You can operate a semi-automatic will less than an hours instruction.
 
Waddy said:
For beginners, revolvers are simpler. For the following reasons, which I stated before but you ignored. (because you have no logical answer)'

Revolvers don't need to be field stripped to clean. Just run a bore brush through them. Revolvers aren't picky about ammunition; most everything will work in them. You can even mismatch ammo in the same cylinder and the gun will fire properly. Many revolvers are even multi-caliber; like .38/357, or .45/410. This is a great advantage for newbies, who won't know how to properly dismantle a semi-auto weapon, nor will they know how to evaluate what ammunition their semi-auto works best with. And what I mean by "properly", is that when field stripping a semi-auto, it is necessary to recognize abnormal wear, like a slide pounding the frame (usually because the cartridge doesn't match the spring), poor lockup, and feed ramp problems. The ammunition in a semi-automatic must match the springs and other components to function properly. There is a wide variety of ammunition available for most all semi-automatics; some will work and feed properly, and some will cause problems. Only an experienced shooter can sort that out.

A double action revolver is very concealable and light weight; and the easiest kind of handgun to shoot while under the huge amount of stress encountered in a self-defense incident. You just point and shoot. No need to remember to release the safety, or rack a round into the chamber. Just point and shoot. In 99% of cases six rounds will be sufficient. Another great advantage for the newbie shooter.

I was sure you didn't know anything about the 1911. And your silly statements prove it. You posted a video but obviously didn't read the comments. Most of the comments ridiculed the video. But you're right, the 1911 is over 100 years old, and still probably the most popular handgun ever designed, or at least it's near the top. There's a reason for that. It is dependable; but dependability rests on the gun being of decent quality and set up for the ammo it will shoot. There are thousands of mods available for the 1911, and hundreds of manufacturers over the years. Most of them produce high quality 1911's, but some are very crudely made. Looks like that's the kind you're familiar with. And yeah, they can jam. Maybe you can trade that piece of junk off to some stupid newbie...oh...wait....that's why you bought it. no wonder you're having problems.

And the 1911 isn't restricted to "out dated ammunition", whatever that is. It is made for .45ACP....9mm...10mm...38Super....40SW.....400Corbon.....and has even been seen in 50GI...22TCM....and of course the lowly, but venerated .22long rifle. So you consider all of these "out dated ammunition"?

Well, there you have it. You got spanked again. But you must love it, you keep coming back for more. I accept your surrender.....again
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Well said.

Rich2018 has been spanked time and again and just keeps making ridiculous claims.
 
Rich2018 said:
I absolutely disagree, if someone wanted a handgun and had never touch a gun before - they would be far better off getting a modern semi-auto than any revolver

When they've acquired some experience and skill, they might want to try a revolver

The same way that a new car driver is better off learning in an automatic car than one with a stick-shift




It might be that cleaning a revolver is easier, but using one certainly isn't

And what's hard about knowing to put 9mm ammunition into a 9mm hand gun ?

I think I already mentioned it but you can re-load a semi-automatic without looking at it and your gun always points "down range"

Revolvers tend to be a bit bulkier to as well as generally having less ammunition capacity

The .45" ACP is most definitely outdated ammunition. 9mm is cheaper and your gun will carry more - it's also easier to shoot
9mm is also perfectly capable of doing anything you want with it
9mm might be a fun round for more experienced shooters, but no beginner should entertain using one much less carrying one






But I've already spanked you and your "sword" sits proudly in my collection

The law of armed conflict describes someone who surrenders and then tries to come back into the fight as "treachery".
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Now you're just embarrassing yourself. You've got to learn to quit digging that Rabbit Hole deeper.
 
Rich2018 said:
Not really. You can operate a semi-automatic will less than an hours instruction.
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depends on who does the instructing and how adept the student is. It takes several thousand rounds of rigorous training to be able to reliably hit with a pistol past about 7 yards
 
Rich2018 said:
I absolutely disagree, if someone wanted a handgun and had never touch a gun before - they would be far better off getting a modern semi-auto than any revolver

When they've acquired some experience and skill, they might want to try a revolver

The same way that a new car driver is better off learning in an automatic car than one with a stick-shift




It might be that cleaning a revolver is easier, but using one certainly isn't

And what's hard about knowing to put 9mm ammunition into a 9mm hand gun ?

I think I already mentioned it but you can re-load a semi-automatic without looking at it and your gun always points "down range"

Revolvers tend to be a bit bulkier to as well as generally having less ammunition capacity

The .45" ACP is most definitely outdated ammunition. 9mm is cheaper and your gun will carry more - it's also easier to shoot
9mm is also perfectly capable of doing anything you want with it
9mm might be a fun round for more experienced shooters, but no beginner should entertain using one much less carrying one






But I've already spanked you and your "sword" sits proudly in my collection

The law of armed conflict describes someone who surrenders and then tries to come back into the fight as "treachery".
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that nonsense is self-contradictory
 
TurtleDude said:
depends on who does the instructing and how adept the student is. It takes several thousand rounds of rigorous training to be able to reliably hit with a pistol past about 7 yards
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It takes longer than an hour to teach a newbie how to field strip, clean, and inspect a semi-auto handgun properly. Another several hours at the range to sort out what feeds and is accurate, and what is not. Then some time on how to clear jams, and proper control.

All this can't be done in under an hour. That's why it's obvious he is not a shooter. Probably never fired a gun at all.
 
Waddy said:
It takes longer than an hour to teach a newbie how to field strip, clean, and inspect a semi-auto handgun properly. Another several hours at the range to sort out what feeds and is accurate, and what is not. Then some time on how to clear jams, and proper control.

All this can't be done in under an hour. That's why it's obvious he is not a shooter. Probably never fired a gun at all.
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someone who had military training with the M4 rifle can probably do OK in an hour. Someone who has never shot-nope
 
Rich2018 said:
What ?

Revolvers are much harder to reload that semi-automatic pistols especially in low light.
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Not sure what you are smoking. All of it comes down to training.

 
Waddy said:
It takes longer than an hour to teach a newbie how to field strip, clean, and inspect a semi-auto handgun properly. Another several hours at the range to sort out what feeds and is accurate, and what is not. Then some time on how to clear jams, and proper control.

All this can't be done in under an hour. That's why it's obvious he is not a shooter. Probably never fired a gun at all.
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He will just throw contradictory BS out.

A double action revolver is simpler that many autos. Point, pull, repeat.

No safety to disengage, no concern about jams, etc.
 
TurtleDude said:
someone who had military training with the M4 rifle can probably do OK in an hour. Someone who has never shot-nope
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Well, newbies is what the thread is about... many of these new gun owners will have no one to help them at all. I doubt if many of them actually have access to a range at all. That can be a serious learning curve if you're a total newbie and trying to figure it all out by yourself, especially with a semi-auto.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is what first time gun buyers are buying, semi automatic handguns are the most popular.
YouTube
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I have a semi auto pt92 aka a taurus m9, love the gun but prefer my revolvers. I have a 22lr peacemaker made by heritage, everyone loves that bastard, dirt cheap to shoot. I also have a 45 colt conversion 1858 remington, a colt cap and ball 1860, and a colt cap and ball 1851, as well as a red jacket no 3 revolver from the 1870's and a 1922 iver johnson in .38 sw.

I find heavy old style revolvers styled after cap and ball revolvers aim naturally, just by the weight and feel I can come within an inch of where I wanted to aim without usin the sights. this to me is a big advantage, as rate of fire means crap over accuracy, and those old heavy large revolvers aimed naturally, making it easier to aim and fire with less than precision(ie in a gunfight when you are nervous and irrational rather than steady and calm)
 
Rich2018 said:
What ?

Revolvers are much harder to reload that semi-automatic pistols especially in low light.
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Your average single action revolver is stupid easy to reload, use the ejection lever o eject while rotating the cylinder then when empty rotate and load each chamber. Many double action and some single action use break action making it much simpler.

Now a semi auto may be quicker to load with a magazine, however those magazines take longer to load than revolvers, meaning a semi auto pistol is only faster to reload so long as you have pre loaded mags on hand. Speed loaders exist for magazine fed guns for a reason, it is because reloading a magazine can be quite a task, often without speed loaders and stripper clips loading a magazine can be a chore.
 
Court Jester said:
Not sure what you are smoking. All of it comes down to training.
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Not sure were your comprehension disconnect is, the disadvantages of a revolver are right in front of you:

1. Re-loading with that speed loader, assuming a novice hand gunner even has one, takes skill and practice
Re-loading a semi-auto takes very little, and furthermore, is required a lot less often
(Revolvers 6 rounds, semi-automatics 15 rounds +)

2. Notice how he has to take his eyes off the target and look at him gun
(Can you do that as easily in low light - in the dark, one hand can easily find another as all that's required re-loading a semi-automatic

3. Notice also that the barrel of his pistol is no longer pointing "downrange" when he re-loads


If a novice was to buy a hand gun, a semi-auto is way easier to use than a revolver.
They can learn the more complicated revolver once they've gained some experience.
 
beerftw said:
Your average single action revolver is stupid easy to reload, use the ejection lever o eject while rotating the cylinder then when empty rotate and load each chamber.
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Much more complex than a semi-automatic pistol where only one object is inserted. Unloading a revolver is way more complicated to
Not to mention that re-loading a revolver is way more time consuming too

Now a semi auto may be quicker to load with a magazine, however those magazines take longer to load than revolvers
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he speed loader in the video, in post #141 was pre-loaded, why not a spare mag for your pistol ?
You can't have it both ways
Moreover how many people with semi-automatic pistols do you know who carry empty spare magazines and a bunch of loose rounds ???


meaning a semi auto pistol is only faster to reload so long as you have pre loaded mags on hand. Speed loaders exist for magazine fed guns for a reason, it is because reloading a magazine can be quite a task, often without speed loaders and stripper clips loading a magazine can be a chore.
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But you don't include the time of re-loading a speed loader and assume a revolver owner is carrying one pre-loaded ?
Why the difference when comparing ?
 
TurtleDude said:
that nonsense is self-contradictory
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OK, what is the "contradiction" ?

depends on who does the instructing and how adept the student is. It takes several thousand rounds of rigorous training to be able to reliably hit with a pistol past about 7 yards
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Let's say average instructor and average student

A target of how big ?

And when would a home owner have to shoot at someone 7 yards away ?
 
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