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Can Mass Shootings be Stopped?

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Good analysis of mass shootings.

They go into how hard it is to define what a mass shooting is. Then they talk about the weapons used and the demographics of the shooters.

For example, hand guns are by far the most likely weapon used, not assault style weapons with big clips.

The age distribution is all over the place. Mostly white people.

They removed gang violence. Nobody cares about gang violence. They removed terrorist attacks as well.

Here's the definition they came up with:

A mass shooting is an incident of targeted violence carried out by one or more shooters at one or more public or populated locations. Multiple victims (both injuries and fatalities) are associated with the attack, and both the victims and location(s) are chosen either at random or for their symbolic value. The event occurs within a single 24-hour period, though most attacks typically last only a few minutes. The motivation of the shooting must not correlate with gang violence or targeted militant or terroristic activity.

That makes sense.


Can Mass Shootings be Stopped? | Rockefeller Institute of Government
 
Sure. Make everybody wear a mask because masks save lives!!!!!!

It would be about as effective as anything else we try.
 
No eliminated totatally perhaps but significantly reduced


In the UK (pop about 60 million), since 1996 there has been one (arguably two) mass shootings


The UK has banned guns and gun crime is very rare.
 
swing_voter said:
Good analysis of mass shootings.

They go into how hard it is to define what a mass shooting is. Then they talk about the weapons used and the demographics of the shooters.

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Here's the definition they came up with:

A mass shooting is an incident of targeted violence carried out by one or more shooters at one or more public or populated locations. Multiple victims (both injuries and fatalities) are associated with the attack, and both the victims and location(s) are chosen either at random or for their symbolic value. The event occurs within a single 24-hour period, though most attacks typically last only a few minutes. The motivation of the shooting must not correlate with gang violence or targeted militant or terroristic activity.

That makes sense.
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Hardly. It's not hard to define what a mass shooting is. You just pick a definition and stick with it, rather than changing it every 2 years so that your statistics look more convincing. A better definition would be one that actually correlates to the image most people have in mind when they see "Mass Shooting" in a headline.

To illustrate that point, the definition above would literally include an incident in which a methed-up 16-year old randomly walks into a Walmart with a gun because he's pissed off at his manager and fires one round into the ceiling, and at least 2 people twist their ankles or stub their toes trying to escape. Do you think that's what most people have in mind when they hear there was a "mass shooting" on the news.


The age distribution is all over the place. Mostly white people.
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Not that it really matters, but it actual said "only about half," and white people make up more than half the population.
 
Rich2018 said:
No eliminated totatally perhaps but significantly reduced


In the UK (pop about 60 million), since 1996 there has been one (arguably two) mass shootings


The UK has banned guns and gun crime is very rare.
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Gun crime was very rare in the UK before 1996 as well.
 
swing_voter said:
Good analysis of mass shootings.

They go into how hard it is to define what a mass shooting is. Then they talk about the weapons used and the demographics of the shooters.

For example, hand guns are by far the most likely weapon used, not assault style weapons with big clips.

The age distribution is all over the place. Mostly white people.

They removed gang violence. Nobody cares about gang violence. They removed terrorist attacks as well.

Here's the definition they came up with:

A mass shooting is an incident of targeted violence carried out by one or more shooters at one or more public or populated locations. Multiple victims (both injuries and fatalities) are associated with the attack, and both the victims and location(s) are chosen either at random or for their symbolic value. The event occurs within a single 24-hour period, though most attacks typically last only a few minutes. The motivation of the shooting must not correlate with gang violence or targeted militant or terroristic activity.

That makes sense.


Can Mass Shootings be Stopped? | Rockefeller Institute of Government
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Yes. Here is how: Enforce existing domestic violence gun confiscation laws. Since most mass shootings are perpetrated by violent aggrieved husbands and boyfriends against their wives, girlfriends and families, greater pains must be taken to take their guns away and do background checks. Additionally, if someone with an existing domestic violence restraining order tries to knowingly purchase a firearm, they should be prosecuted for attempted murder.
 
Felis Leo said:
Yes. Here is how: Enforce existing domestic violence gun confiscation laws. Since most mass shootings are perpetrated by violent aggrieved husbands and boyfriends against their wives, girlfriends and families, greater pains must be taken to take their guns away and do background checks. Additionally, if someone with an existing domestic violence restraining order tries to knowingly purchase a firearm, they should be prosecuted for attempted murder.
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If we could stop all domestic violence related mass shootings, I wonder how many mass shootings that would be.





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I found this chart, but it isn't helpful.

Mass shootings make up the lowest amount of deaths, but I'm sure it's the stat that voters care about the most. The idea you could go to a movie and get shot, or go to a school and get shot, or go to work and get shot, doesn't sit well with them.
 
Rich2018 said:
And why was that pray tell ?
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Probably for the same reason it was low in the 1920s, when they had practically no gun laws at all.
 
Rich2018 said:
And what reason might that be ?
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I have no idea. People in some places are more violent than other places. Why is the murder rate in Maryland more than 4 times that of Minnesota?
 
Tlrmln said:
I have no idea. People in some places are more violent than other places. Why is the murder rate in Maryland more than 4 times that of Minnesota?
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The what qualifies you to comment on the evidence of gun control and its success ?
 
Nope.
 
=Felis Leo;1072020061]Yes. Here is how: Enforce existing domestic violence gun confiscation laws. Since most mass shootings are perpetrated by violent aggrieved husbands and boyfriends against their wives, girlfriends and families, greater pains must be taken to take their guns away and do background checks.
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How about wives and girlfriends or do only us guys get violent and aggrieved?

Additionally, if someone with an existing domestic violence restraining order tries to knowingly purchase a firearm, they should be prosecuted for attempted murder.
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I hope you're not a lawmaker. But given the location on your avatar it wouldn't surprise me much.
 
Rich2018 said:
No eliminated totatally perhaps but significantly reduced


In the UK (pop about 60 million), since 1996 there has been one (arguably two) mass shootings


The UK has banned guns and gun crime is very rare.
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britain never had much in the way of mass shootings long before it started banning guns. Try again
 
It does look like shootings where over a dozen people are killed involved "assault style" rifles.




Report: 2019 records 41 mass killings in United States | National News | madison.com



Definitely, when it's over 20 deaths, it's an assault rifle with a large clip.




Orlando FL 6/12/16 2016 49 Shooting Handgun & Rifle A heavily armed gunman shot his way into a gay nightclub killing 49 and injuring 53, many of them critically. The gunman, who was killed by responding SWAT officers, recently pledged allegiance to ISIL.


Las Vegas NV 10/1/17 2017 58 Shooting Handgun, Shotgun & Rifle Stephen Paddock, a multimillionaire professional gambler, set up shop in the Mandelay Bay hotel and open fired on concert goers, killing 58.

Sutherland Springs TX 11/5/17 2017 25 Shooting Rifle Devin Kelley had a history of warning signs, including DV, sexual assault, prison time, military experience and obsession with weapons, obsession with previous mass shootings, restraining order, treatment in a mental health facility, etc. He went to his estranged wife's family's church and killed 25, including her grandmother. A citizen exchanged gunfire with him and pursued him, so he committed suicide and crashed his car.

Parkland FL 2/14/18 2018 17 Shooting Rifle Nikolas Cruz had a history of serious mental health and behavioral problems, switching schools multiple times for disciplinary reasons, etc. He attended specialty schools for students with emotional and behavioral problems, and had been recommended to be involuntarily committed by a SRO and counselors. After being expelled from Majory Stoneman Douglas High School, he used an AR-15 style rifle that he had legally purchased to kill students and teachers. He had a history of making threats about killing others, specifically referencing wanting to become a school shooter, and he had been reported to local authorities including the FBI on multiple occassions for these remarks on social media.

Pittsburgh PA 10/27/18 2018 11 Shooting Handgun & Rifle Robert Bowers was a high school dropout who started out as a conservative, but became active in neo-nazi circles online (especially Gab, and worked as an archivist for James Quinn on a volunteer basis). He believed in the white genocide conspiracy theory, made many anti-Semetic and racist remarks and eventually shot and killed 11 people at a synagogue.

El Paso TX 8/3/19 2019 22 Shooting Rifle In an apparently hate-inspired, anti-immigrant attack, the gunman traveled over 600 miles from suburban Dallas to an El Paso Wallmart to commit the shooting.


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Hydrostatic shock really helps to up the death rate.
 
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TurtleDude said:
britain never had much in the way of mass shootings long before it started banning guns. Try again
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And what is your suggested reason for a low number of mass shootings in the UK

And you're wrong, Britain (not counting terrorist attacks) had a totally unacceptable rate of mass shootings in the last 15 years of the 20th century


There were TWO mass shootings (1987 & 1996).
 
If we restricted the ownership of assault style weapons with large clips, that would greatly reduce mass shootings where a dozen or more people are killed.


These rifles are really good at killing lots of people.
 
Mass shootings can be greatly reduced by improved mental healthcare. Perhaps the greatest obstacle is the social stigma.
 
ecofarm said:
Mass shootings can be greatly reduced by improved mental healthcare. Perhaps the greatest obstacle is the social stigma.
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Defunding the police can free up resources to help here:


"While Minneapolis's move to scrap its police force is unheard-of for a city of its size, it is not unprecedented.
In 2012 the city of Camden, New Jersey - then one of the most violent places in America - announced it was gutting its entire police force along with the local union.
In an attempt at a do-over, it moved to a cheaper but larger county force with the concept of 'community policing' at its core.
Instead of being sent out to make arrests, officers went out in ice cream trucks and hosted barbecues in an attempt to connect with locals.
Officers were given 'deescalation' training, body cameras, and a strict new code on what constitutes 'reasonable' force - including that all other options must be exhausted before an officer can draw a weapon.
The new rules are requirements, not simply guidelines, with officers compelled to act if they see another officer breaching the guide. The department can fire any officer found to be in breach.
Since then, the city's murder rate has dropped by almost 50 per cent while excessive force complaints have dropped by 94 per cent.
As protests sprung up across the nation in response to George Floyd's death, officers in Camden asked to join in - with white police chief Joseph Wysocki pictured holding a banner reading 'marching in solidarity' alongside black activists. "


Minneapolis mayor balks at plans to 'abolish' the police department | Daily Mail Online
 
swing_voter said:
If we restricted the ownership of assault style weapons with large clips, that would greatly reduce mass shootings where a dozen or more people are killed.


These rifles are really good at killing lots of people.
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Hand guns too - they're the most widely used gun type for mass shootings.
 
Rich2018 said:
Doing research and actually having some "idea".
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Well, there's your answer. If you can point me to anyone who can legitimately claim to have "some idea" about every single question that could be asked on the topic, I'll mail you a cookie.
 
swing_voter said:
If we restricted the ownership of assault style weapons with large clips, that would greatly reduce mass shootings where a dozen or more people are killed.
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No it wouldn't.
 
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