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"duty to retreat" laws are gun control laws.

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Cadillac Pawn Shop Owner Killed Suspected Looter: Report | Heavy.com

The owner of Cadillac Pawn & Jewelry, a store in Minneapolis, Minnesota, shot and killed a suspected looter, according to a reporter for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. However, police said in a press conference that this was only one theory being investigated in the shooting death of a man found lying on a sidewalk near the store.

Heavy has now confirmed through jail records that the store's owner, John Richard Rieple, 59, of Wisconsin, has been booked on a murder accusation.
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Unbelievable. This guy does the world a favor by shooting a looter and he ends up facing a murder charge. This kind of idiocy is just another form of gun control, because apparently in progressiveville they pass "duty to retreat" laws which makes it illegal to harm someone who is looting your store.

Instead of just banning guns, the scumbags make it illegal to use them to protect yourself and your property.
 
aociswundumho said:
Cadillac Pawn Shop Owner Killed Suspected Looter: Report | Heavy.com



Unbelievable. This guy does the world a favor by shooting a looter and he ends up facing a murder charge. This kind of idiocy is just another form of gun control, because apparently in progressiveville they pass "duty to retreat" laws which makes it illegal to harm someone who is looting your store.

Instead of just banning guns, the scumbags make it illegal to use them to protect yourself and your property.
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They didn't execute thieves even in Jesus' time.
 
aociswundumho said:
Cadillac Pawn Shop Owner Killed Suspected Looter: Report | Heavy.com



Unbelievable. This guy does the world a favor by shooting a looter and he ends up facing a murder charge. This kind of idiocy is just another form of gun control, because apparently in progressiveville they pass "duty to retreat" laws which makes it illegal to harm someone who is looting your store.

Instead of just banning guns, the scumbags make it illegal to use them to protect yourself and your property.
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Having a gun isn't a license to kill

A gun is for defending your life, not for killing anyone who steals from you....if you had your way, a convenience store clerk could shoot shoplifters.
 
swing_voter said:
They didn't execute thieves even in Jesus' time.
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What a stupid message. They exactly did. The two other men crucified with Jesus were thieves.

The looters were not executed. They were stopped from continuing their felony crimes they were actively committing.
 
swing_voter said:
They didn't execute thieves even in Jesus' time.
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No but they dealt with them. In a riot, the cops just shrug and move on. So for those who shopped at the Target and the Autozone, have fun walking an extra couple miles to buy oil and diapers, I remind them “Don’t **** in your mess kit”.

From Huffpo:

Apr 25, 2017 · 25 Years Later, Los Angeles Hasn't Recovered From The Rodney King Riots. Why? Decades after flames engulfed the city, empty lots remain.
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I don’t believe insurance covers civil insurrection.
 
aociswundumho said:
Cadillac Pawn Shop Owner Killed Suspected Looter: Report | Heavy.com



Unbelievable. This guy does the world a favor by shooting a looter and he ends up facing a murder charge. This kind of idiocy is just another form of gun control, because apparently in progressiveville they pass "duty to retreat" laws which makes it illegal to harm someone who is looting your store.

Instead of just banning guns, the scumbags make it illegal to use them to protect yourself and your property.
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The (state) law is clear - you can't use deadly force to protect property.
 
Rich2018 said:
Having a gun isn't a license to kill

A gun is for defending your life, not for killing anyone who steals from you....if you had your way, a convenience store clerk could shoot shoplifters.
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If you had your way, a gunman could walk into your home, tie everyone up, and back up a U-Haul and steal everything, then put you all out in the yard and set the house of fire. If you somehow got free, all you could do is run away or you could stay hoping he doesn't hurt your family. Until he actually starts shooting your family, you can't do anything but run away.

Thieves make people they still from their slaves. The victims have to labor for the thieves benefit, not their own. If a person is in the act of felony theft and if it takes shooting them to stop that person, I am 100% for it being fine to shoot that person and that doing so is a social good. In my opinion, anyone can (and should) used force including deadly force to stop anyone from turning you into their slave.

Of course, being the party of slavery to this day, most Democrats will intensely disagree. In their view, no one could use deadly force to prevent being forced into slavery.
 
joko104 said:
What a stupid message. They exactly did. The two other men crucified with Jesus were thieves.

The looters were not executed. They were stopped from continuing their felony crimes they were actively committing.
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So if you are a clerk in a convenience store and you see someone trying to steal some beer....should you be allowed to shoot them ?
 
joko104 said:
If you had your way, a gunman could walk into your home, tie everyone up, and back up a U-Haul and steal everything, then put you all out in the yard and set the house of fire. If you somehow got free, all you could do is run away or you could stay hoping he doesn't hurt your family. Until he actually starts shooting your family, you can't do anything but run away.

Thieves make people they still from their slaves. The victims have to labor for the thieves benefit, not their own. If a person is in the act of felony theft and if it takes shooting them to stop that person, I am 100% for it being fine to shoot that person and that doing so is a social good. In my opinion, anyone can (and should) used force including deadly force to stop anyone from turning you into their slave.

Of course, being the party of slavery to this day, most Democrats will intensely disagree. In their view, no one could use deadly force to prevent being forced into slavery.
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Is 'stuff' really worth the cost of even one human life?
 
joko104 said:
If you had your way, a gunman could walk into your home, tie everyone up, and back up a U-Haul and steal everything, then put you all out in the yard and set the house of fire. If you somehow got free, all you could do is run away or you could stay hoping he doesn't hurt your family. Until he actually starts shooting your family, you can't do anything but run away.

Thieves make people they still from their slaves. The victims have to labor for the thieves benefit, not their own. If a person is in the act of felony theft and if it takes shooting them to stop that person, I am 100% for it being fine to shoot that person and that doing so is a social good. In my opinion, anyone can (and should) used force including deadly force to stop anyone from turning you into their slave.

Of course, being the party of slavery to this day, most Democrats will intensely disagree. In their view, no one could use deadly force to prevent being forced into slavery.
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So would it have been OK to shoot that cop while he was killing that guy?

It would fit many deadly force allowances. Protecting another from a direct threat to their life.
 
HumblePi said:
Is 'stuff' really worth the cost of even one human life?
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I can see how a car owner, in the heat of the moment, might shoot someone trying to steal his car from his driveway.

But in answer to your question, no it isn't.
 
aociswundumho said:
Cadillac Pawn Shop Owner Killed Suspected Looter: Report | Heavy.com



Unbelievable. This guy does the world a favor by shooting a looter and he ends up facing a murder charge. This kind of idiocy is just another form of gun control, because apparently in progressiveville they pass "duty to retreat" laws which makes it illegal to harm someone who is looting your store.

Instead of just banning guns, the scumbags make it illegal to use them to protect yourself and your property.
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I checked the Minnesota statutes. Anarcho-Tyranny in a nutshell:

609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE.
The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode.
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Apparently, Minnesotans can't defend themselves from an unarmed robbery unless it occurs in their house.
 
HumblePi said:
Is 'stuff' really worth the cost of even one human life?
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The livelihood of an innocent person is more important than the life of a criminal.
 
joko104 said:
What a stupid message. They exactly did. The two other men crucified with Jesus were thieves.

The looters were not executed. They were stopped from continuing their felony crimes they were actively committing.
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Bandits. Think thieves in groups of 50 or more that rape and burn villages.


You're welcome.
 
Fledermaus said:
If that "stuff" is your means of making a living?

What gives a looter the right to take that which is not theirs?
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So if someone steals watches from a pawn shop, or a car from a parking lot, or your wallet out of your back pocket, does that mean that you and/or your family will starve to death and die?
 
Fledermaus said:
If that "stuff" is your means of making a living?

What gives a looter the right to take that which is not theirs?
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It all boils down to what the state law says, even then it is likely going to be up to what a jury 'reasonably' thinks after the fact. Oddly, Texas law seems to change after dark.

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
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PENAL CODE CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
 
AmNat said:
The livelihood of an innocent person is more important than the life of a criminal.
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You're statement is heinously amoral.
 
The press, of course, will side with the criminals and write their story accordingly.

They were NOT just "looters" but arsonists. Arson is murderous. So in that city you can't even shoot someone from stopping them in the act of trying to burn people to death.

In that city, a mob could gather around your house throwing fire bombs thru the window - likely to violently beat and kick all of you to death if you come out - and the only thing you can do is decide which way you want your family and you to die - being burned to death or beaten to death. It is ONLY AFTER they start beating you to death that maybe you can defend yourself. Otherwise, all you can do is try to somehow flee thru the mob trying to carry your little children as you do.

The Democratic Party has their "duty to die" ethics. YOU have a duty to let yourself be murdered. You have a duty to allow anyone to steal everything you have. YOU have no rights whatsoever. All rights are for those who break the law. You must allow them to do so and must allow they to victimize you without resistance. They will - so far - allow you to TRY to run away.
 
Fledermaus said:
But they hung/shot looters regularly throughout time.

"After Katrina, New Orleans police officers circulated orders authorizing them to shoot looters and "take back the city," but it remains unclear who issued them."
After Katrina, New Orleans Cops Were Told They Could Shoot Looters — ProPublica
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Well the people need to be a part of the process. However as part of the process you are still responsible for your actions.

Well I am not because I lean liberal and someone else is always responsible. I get drunk it is the bartenders fault. I shoot someone it is the gun manufacturers fault. Oh and where is my trophy. I went shopping for an elderly person. That makes me a hero. Everyone is a hero now also.
 
HumblePi said:
So if someone steals watches from a pawn shop, or a car from a parking lot, or your wallet out of your back pocket, does that mean that you and/or your family will starve to death and die?
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Starve to death or die?

Probably not.

Is that your litmus test?

I must be on the verge of starvation/death in order to to be allowed to protect what I worked for in life?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It all boils down to what the state law says, even then it is likely going to be up to what a jury 'reasonably' thinks after the fact. Oddly, Texas law seems to change after dark.



PENAL CODE CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
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3A is a biggie too. There is no way for you to recover what is stolen from you in nearly all situations. 3A and 3B applied to the "looter" (ie arsonist) shot. You can not protect your property after it has been burned to the ground and everything in it. But in that city no one can stop arsonists even attacking you and your property and that of your neighbors.

But, remember, the mayor ordered the police to allow arsonists to burn down a police station. Knowing that, you can be certain there is no police protection for you. If police are prohibited from protecting themselves and their property, they certainly won't protect you and your property.

To Democrats in Minnesota, the real problem is they haven't imported enough Muslims, ideally from Somalia. And it wasn't looting or arson anyway. rather just "some people did something" in Minneapolis.
 
HumblePi said:
So if someone steals watches from a pawn shop, or a car from a parking lot, or your wallet out of your back pocket, does that mean that you and/or your family will starve to death and die?
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We have a thing called insurance


If you haven't insured your home and/or business for theft, perhaps you might want to look into it.
 
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