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New Zealand gun crimes rise to highest in a decade despite strict gun bans

Kiwimac said:
If it meant annoying you, I'd be up for it. What a pissant load of nonsense!

There's a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
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Yeah like the crack of my ass. And for the record I wasn't trying to annoy you. But (pun kinda intended) more intended for Marrybore you'll do though.

piss ant.
 
Rich2018 said:
And unlike the "what-about-isms" peddled by gun owners, guns are (largely) made to kill, cars are made to transport.
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Yes sometimes killing is life sustained. If you kill a deer to eat it's flesh that is life sustaining. If you fire your gun at someone who is attempting to kill you that is life-sustaining.

To kill isn't wrong. To murder is.
 
Rich2018 said:
And unlike the "what-about-isms" peddled by gun owners, guns are (largely) made to kill, cars are made to transport.
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If you insist guns are made to kill then it's for food and war. Then they kill in self defense when needed.
You argue cars are for transportation, well they are... until they wander into the wrong lane or a drunk gets behind the wheel.
But then self defense and drunk drivers are your "what-about-isms" yeah?
 
Fledermaus said:
Ah, that explains your childish name calling, your dishonest attempts at strawman tactics and your mythical lies.
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You have not disappointed me on that score. you have nothing to offer to support the lie of your op and lack even the dignity to admit your mistake in reprinting fake news.
 
Fledermaus said:
Lets see the facts.
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The question is can you actually make any relationship between a ban on guns that happened a year ago and the spiking of violent gun related crimes that was predicted to occur ten years ago. Without involving time travel.

Your particular lie is in these words
despite the country's strict gun control measures lauded by left-wing politicians in the United States.
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There is no despite because there is no relationship between the two. The police did not ask for the gun ban because of an increase in violence that they had already been dealing with for a few years before the gun ban was even thought of. Nor did politicians claim a gun ban would reduce or stop a violence with guns that they well new was caused by other problems completely unrelated to why they introduced a gun ban.

The lie as i have stated numerous times and you do not seem to comprehend is a lie of omission. Your link does not provide any reason to think the gun ban and the rise of violent crimes are linked it merely puts the two facts together and let the natural stupidity of the pro gun group do its magic.
 
soylentgreen said:
The question is can you actually make any relationship between a ban on guns that happened a year ago and the spiking of violent gun related crimes that was predicted to occur ten years ago. Without involving time travel.

Your particular lie is in these words

There is no despite because there is no relationship between the two. The police did not ask for the gun ban because of an increase in violence that they had already been dealing with for a few years before the gun ban was even thought of. Nor did politicians claim a gun ban would reduce or stop a violence with guns that they well new was caused by other problems completely unrelated to why they introduced a gun ban.

The lie as i have stated numerous times and you do not seem to comprehend is a lie of omission. Your link does not provide any reason to think the gun ban and the rise of violent crimes are linked it merely puts the two facts together and let the natural stupidity of the pro gun group do its magic.
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There is no lie of omission.

No matter how fervently you try to make it so....

There is an increase in gun violence .

There is an increase in gun violence in spite of a ban.

And there most certainly is a relationship... Why was the ban implemented?

Think for a moment before you answer.

And why was the Australian ban implemented?

And why was the UK ban implemented?

Why the ban?

You might get the relationship if you think.
 
Fledermaus said:
There is no lie of omission.

No matter how fervently you try to make it so....

There is an increase in gun violence .

There is an increase in gun violence in spite of a ban.

And there most certainly is a relationship... Why was the ban implemented?

Think for a moment before you answer.

And why was the Australian ban implemented?

And why was the UK ban implemented?

Why the ban?

You might get the relationship if you think.
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There's some name for this logical fallacy... just because two similar trends seem to behave similarly, does not mean one is the cause of the other.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Pointless gibberish.
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A quality of insightful post we have come to expect from you


...sometimes killing is life sustained. If you kill a deer to eat it's flesh that is life sustaining. If you fire your gun at someone who is attempting to kill you that is life-sustaining.
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And which movie or video game did you develop that philosophy from ?
 
zsu2357 said:
If you insist guns are made to kill then it's for food and war. Then they kill in self defense when needed.
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Yes a lot of Americans own guns that were designed for use in wartime (or based on guns that were)

Other Americans buy guns designed to kill animals - which they'll weakly claim are for food
(just like one of America's worst presidents Theodore Roosevelt used his guns to hunt for "food" on his famous African safari)


You argue cars are for transportation, well they are... until they wander into the wrong lane or a drunk gets behind the wheel.
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By accident

That US roads are nowhere near as they could be, is unarguable
Again if Americans weren't so parochial and xenophobic, they could US British roads and laws as a template and save thousands more lives a year.

But let me guess, this is 'Merica and you don't care what happens on British roads or that they're far safer than roads in the USA



"In 2018, there were 1,784 people killed on the roads in Britain;
In 2018, 25,511 people were seriously injured on the roads in Britain;
In 2018, there was a total of 160,597 casualties of all severities in road traffic crashes;"


british road deaths, injuries - Google Search

(posting the source as a certain poster gets ever so upset if he has to go look for himself)



"More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways. ...
An additional 4.4 million are injured seriously enough to require medical attention.
Road crashes are the leading cause of death in the U.S. for people aged 1-54..."

us road deaths, injuries - Google Search



The USA has 5-6 times the population of the Uk but seems to have a disproportionately higher road traffic accident casualty figure



But then self defense and drunk drivers are your "what-about-isms" yeah?
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It might help if the USA took a more responsible attitude to drunk driving

A brief search will show you example of US drunk drivers in court with 8, 9 or 10 previous drunk driving convictions and not a single day in jail.
 
Marrybore said:
There's some name for this logical fallacy... just because two similar trends seem to behave similarly, does not mean one is the cause of the other.
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Like a man has twn whiskies and sodas in one night and wakes up with a headache
Next night ten brandies and soda and wakes up with a headache
Third night ten vodkas and sodas and wakes up with a headache


He sits down and tries to figure out the common factor.
 
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