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New Zealand gun crimes rise to highest in a decade despite strict gun bans

soylentgreen said:
Yes, crime has risen due to facts completely unrelated to nz gun laws. That i explained to you. It was not in spite of strict gun laws as those laws were introduce long after the spike was occurring. Look to your own words of a ten year high and the fact that the banning of a few types of gun was a year ago. The two are unrelated.

All you have is a biased opinion from a right wing conservative rag that simply creates an innuendo by leaving out any real facts and implying that two separate facts are not only related but causal. Your op is a lie by omission. Your defense is nothing more than repeating two facts and pretending they are related. Yet i have clearly shown they are not.
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And the FACT gun laws have RISEN to the highest point in ten years IN SPITE OF strict gun laws still remains..

That point is clear and irrefutable.

And it is made both in the US and NZ versions of the article.

It is clear to anyone that there are other contributors to the gun crime... Because despite the the ban gun crimes increase.

And your blaming of immigration is interesting.
 
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soylentgreen said:
Yet here you are still trying to defend a lie by no other means than iognoring what i have said as an explenation and pretending nothing has been given to support your op is a lie. I knew you would do this as i deo not expect good reasoning or honesty from pro gun americans.
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Lay out THE LIE....

The lie is __________________

Because you haven't refuted the information given in either the US article nor the NZ article it is derived from.
 
Pick a country with low gun deaths.


What is their gun control.like?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Okay I guess America didn't do anything.
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Pouting doesn't help your case. I never said that - however nobody can claim the USA won WW2 on her own or that US power was the sole reason for the defeat of Germany.

Kiwimac said:
Let's not forget the Chinese or the antipodes eh?
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Sorry, I don't mean to belittle the impact Chinese, Antipodean, Indian, African or any other nations / races made to WW2.

However - in terms of manpower - Russia and America dwarfed the efforts of other nations. Unless you really want me to name ALL the individual names and peoples who fought against the Axis powers?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Pouting doesn't help your case. I never said that - however nobody can claim the USA won WW2 on her own or that US power was the sole reason for the defeat of Germany.



Sorry, I don't mean to belittle the impact Chinese, Antipodean, Indian, African or any other nations / races made to WW2.
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I guess you could say the USSR did the lion's share of the fighting to defeat Germany whilst the USA did the lion's share to defeat Japan.
 
Fledermaus said:
And the FACT gun laws have RISEN to the highest point in ten years IN SPITE OF strict gun laws still remains..

That point is clear and irrefutable.

And it is made both in the US and NZ versions of the article.

It is clear to anyone that there are other contributors to the gun crime... Because despite the the ban gun crimes increase.

And your blaming of immigration is interesting.
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No, that point is you trying to push a lie. By pretending two facts that really do not have anything to do with each other give rise to your false claim.

And no, honestly, how can you be so ****ing ignorant and still show your face in this thread? I did not blame immigration. That is you being to lazy to actually find out what the facts are. The cause of a spike in violence that started ten years before the gun restrictions were introduced was not people choosing to immigrate to nz.
 
Fledermaus said:
Lay out THE LIE....

The lie is __________________

Because you haven't refuted the information given in either the US article nor the NZ article it is derived from.
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I have laid it out. You simply are to lazy to bother with studying the facts. Easier to be a sheeple and believe whatever lie that promotes your ideology.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, that point is you trying to push a lie. By pretending two facts that really do not have anything to do with each other give rise to your false claim.

And no, honestly, how can you be so ****ing ignorant and still show your face in this thread? I did not blame immigration. That is you being to lazy to actually find out what the facts are. The cause of a spike in violence that started ten years before the gun restrictions were introduced was not people choosing to immigrate to nz.
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He likes to bait you into making a claim, then try to prove it wrong and accuse you of lying.


Told you, you're best ignoring his posts
 
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soylentgreen said:
No, that point is you trying to push a lie. By pretending two facts that really do not have anything to do with each other give rise to your false claim.

And no, honestly, how can you be so ****ing ignorant and still show your face in this thread? I did not blame immigration. That is you being to lazy to actually find out what the facts are. The cause of a spike in violence that started ten years before the gun restrictions were introduced was not people choosing to immigrate to nz.
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Blah lie blah blah lie blah blah....

Push WHAT lie?

The lie I am pushing is _____________?

Has gun crime increased? YES.

Has gun crime increased in spite of a ban? YES.

Kinda day glow obvious that there are other factors play.
 
Rich2018 said:
He likes to bait you into making a claim, then try to prove it wrong and accuse you of lying.


Told you, you're best ignoring his posts
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It is always the same when dealing with the sheeple minded pro gun group. they will gladly suck the dick of anyone who will tell lies to support their failed ideology.
 
Fledermaus said:
Blah lie blah blah lie blah blah....

Push WHAT lie?

The lie I am pushing is _____________?

Has gun crime increased? YES.

Has gun crime increased in spite of a ban? YES.

Kinda day glow obvious that there are other factors play.
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Yes and once again you fail to make any reasonable connection between two separate facts. Your relying on nothing more than association .

The spike in crime started ten years ago and was predicted. The gun ban was only a year ago.
And here you are desperate to push the idea that gun bans prevent a spike that occurred before the ban existed.
 
soylentgreen said:
Yes and once again you fail to make any reasonable connection between two separate facts. Your relying on nothing more than association .

The spike in crime started ten years ago and was predicted. The gun ban was only a year ago.
And here you are desperate to push the idea that gun bans prevent a spike that occurred before the ban existed.
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Where did I state gun bans would prevent a spike that occurred before the ban existed?

Looks like a lie of misrepresentation.
 
Fledermaus said:
Where did I state gun bans would prevent a spike that occurred before the ban existed?

Looks like a lie of misrepresentation.
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When you said;
Has gun crime increased? YES.

Has gun crime increased in spite of a ban? YES.
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The ban has nothing to do with increase in violence whose cause is for a completely different reason.

They are two separate facts that are not causal to each other.

Your trying to pretend that the gun ban was put there to stop an increase in gun crime. But that increase began long before the ban and was not even a mentioned in any reason given for the gun ban. The police have had other methods of dealing with that particular crime.

You do not have a clue about nz history or what or why such things as gun bans or spikes in gun crime exist here.

All you have is a biased rag that lied by omission and left you looking foolish trying to promote it.
 
soylentgreen said:
It is always the same when dealing with the sheeple minded pro gun group. they will gladly suck the dick of anyone who will tell lies to support their failed ideology.
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He's like a petulant child

He'll call you a liar to your face run screaming if you dare upset him


Just don't respond to him. You'll enjoying posting on the board so much more.
 
Fledermaus said:
You keep blithering about your mythical lie.
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Ignoring what i have said is all you can do. I have given you the facts. The spike in gun violence was predicted long before the gun ban. The gun ban was not put in place because of the spike in gun violence, the police were already dealing with that problem and did not ask for or need a gun ban to do so. There is no correlation between the gun ban and gun violence.

All you have is a biased rag that lied by omission and left you looking foolish trying to promote it
 
Rich2018 said:
He's like a petulant child

He'll call you a liar to your face run screaming if you dare upset him


Just don't respond to him. You'll enjoying posting on the board so much more.
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If he does not pay attention and deal with the argument given rather than this child routine then i will give up on him. but, honestly, i expected nothing better from a pro gun american.
 
soylentgreen said:
If he does not pay attention and deal with the argument given rather than this child routine then i will give up on him. but, honestly, i expected nothing better from a pro gun american.
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Sadly, I fear your expectations will be realized.
 
soylentgreen said:
When you said;

The ban has nothing to do with increase in violence whose cause is for a completely different reason.

They are two separate facts that are not causal to each other.

Your trying to pretend that the gun ban was put there to stop an increase in gun crime. But that increase began long before the ban and was not even a mentioned in any reason given for the gun ban. The police have had other methods of dealing with that particular crime.

You do not have a clue about nz history or what or why such things as gun bans or spikes in gun crime exist here.

All you have is a biased rag that lied by omission and left you looking foolish trying to promote it.
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Wow.

Has gun violence increased?

YES

Has gun violence increased.even though there is a ban?

YES

THERE IS NO LIE.

And the "biased rag" you babble about contains the same information as a NEW ZEALAND news source.

Did the New Zealand folks lie?
 
soylentgreen said:
Ignoring what i have said is all you can do. I have given you the facts. The spike in gun violence was predicted long before the gun ban. The gun ban was not put in place because of the spike in gun violence, the police were already dealing with that problem and did not ask for or need a gun ban to do so. There is no correlation between the gun ban and gun violence.

All you have is a biased rag that lied by omission and left you looking foolish trying to promote it
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You claim you detailed a lie.... Yet all you present is a nebulous claim of "lie of omission" while misrepresenting much of what I say.

You do like your straw kiwi...

Did I state the gun ban was put in place because of the spike in gun violence?
 
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