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Could you take out an active shooter?

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?

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    Votes: 8 24.2%

  • Yes, I could handle it

    Votes: 21 63.6%

  • No, I hunker down until it's over

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .
Rich2018 said:
I didn't think so, so how little knowledge of guns you perceived someone to have is a total red herring when you evaluate their arguments for gun control

Right ?
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Nope. I take people seriously when they are clearly well-informed, and am always open to reevaluate my positions. It's just that I've got some familiarity of my own here, and fairly well-reasoned positions as a result.

So what?, you've just admitted that would likely make NO difference to you
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That is not at all what I said. :)

cpwill said:
As it is, they sound like idiot children declaring that microaggressions like manspreading are LITERALLY HITLER....
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Now we have total RW gun owners hysteria

A person promoting gun control is like Hitler
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Perhaps reading comprehension is difficult. The person they sound like in this sentence is not Hitler, but rather the idiot child who ignorantly declares something with little to no connection to reality. :)

While you're at it describe the forthcoming civil war if guns are banned...I could use a good laugh.
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I don't know how that would go down, tbh. You have many, many millions of gun owners (and more now post-COVID) who are not going to hand over their weapons.


Granted, I'd ban all semi-automatic and fully automatic guns with a few exemptions, along with some other types of gun.
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Well, fortunately for the rest of us, that is still completely unconstitutional. Of course, that is a nice pivot from the point that, yes, in fact, gun-ban advocates (and congresscritters) were indeed getting their information from sources easily as ridiculous as sci fi movies from the 80s and 90s.
 
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cpwill said:
Nope. But well-informed policy advocacy is
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But you said "likely not"

So which is it

If someone with a high level of knowledge of guns proposes a gun ban, do you pay attention to him and listen to his arguments ?


That is not at all what I said.
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So be clear, does it or does it not make a difference? You said:

I do mind people who don't know much about guns nonetheless thinking they know enough about guns to tell others what they do or don't have a right to when it comes to guns.
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So do you mind people telling others what they do or don't have a right to when it comes to guns, if they ***DO*** know a lot about guns ?



Perhaps reading comprehension is difficult....
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Then be clear do you mind or not mind a person, with extensive knowledge about guns, tell others what they do or don't have a right to when it comes to guns ?


Yes or no ?


Because you had previously said you minded it when such people ***DIDN'T*** know much about guns

So does their level of gun knowledge make any difference at all ?

Yes or no ?



I don't know how that would go down, tbh. You have many, many millions of gun owners (and more now post-COVID) who are not going to hand over their weapons.
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Where's your evidence of that ?
Just you're personal, unsubstantiated opinion ?


Well, fortunately for the rest of us, that is still completely unconstitutional...
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Indeed it is, which is why I say and significant gun control need a repeal of the 2nd amendment so as to be "constitutional"


This is probably where you state your opinion that it's not going to happen and present it as fact.
 
=Rich2018;1071893453]Would it make a difference if they knew as much about guns as you think you know ?
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Chances are pretty good this conversation wouldn't even be happening.
Bad analogy - are you aware of anyone wanting to ban guns based on a viewing of a 1980's Hollywood sci-fi comedy ?
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How about in it's entirety?
Originally Posted by cpwill
It would be like me saying we need to ban cars and force everyone to buy pickups instead, because I've seen Back To The Future, and no one needs a flux capacitor ... And then, when it's pointed out to me that there is no such thing and I'm an idiot, insisting that my lack of knowledge of what is actually in a vehicle shouldn't stop me from banning them, because flux capacitors run on Libyan nuclear material.
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You don't see any similarities in it...At all?
 
cpwill said:
My understanding is that a regular flux capacitor can only carry a normal amount of clips, but an assault flux capacitor can carry up to 30, meaning it can shoot hundreds every second.

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WOW! You mean like 30 magazine clips in half (yes half) a second? Can I legally buy an assault flux capacitor at a flux capacitor show?
 
zsu2357 said:
WOW! You mean like 30 magazine clips in half (yes half) a second? Can I legally buy an assault flux capacitor at a flux capacitor show?
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Careful, as the gun lobby are about to "hang" you for your improper use of terminology.


There is no such thing as a " magazine clip" they will say. Proof you don't know anything about guns.
 
NWRatCon said:
Well, they mean things to some of us, present company excepted...
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Careful this poster loves quoting the dictionary and will copy and paste to secure, what he feels, is some kind of debating "coup".
 
Rich2018 said:
Careful this poster loves quoting the dictionary and will copy and paste to secure, what he feels, is some kind of debating "coup".
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Intentional ignorance of the what the dictionary says. Hell, he can't even accept the dictionary definition of dictionary....

A Rich2018 staple.
 
Rich2018 said:
But you said "likely not"
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Indeed. I am moderately informed on the matter, have given it not a little thought, and arrived at a reasoned opinion based on what I know. It is unlikely that a well-informed opinion will present information or reasoning of a compelling nature that I haven't encountered before of a kind which would force a serious changing of my position. This is not exactly difficult to understand.

If someone with a high level of knowledge of guns proposes a gun ban, do you pay attention to him and listen to his arguments ?
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I do, so long as those arguments are reflective of that. Well informed, well reasoned, and intelligent people (of all kinds and of all positions) can still make trollish or emotion-driven arguments.

cpwill said:
Perhaps reading comprehension is difficult. The person they sound like in this sentence is not Hitler, but rather the idiot child who ignorantly declares something with little to no connection to reality.
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Then be clear
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Okedoke. When people who clearly don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about nonetheless spout highly emotional and highly assured positions which are made up of nonsense, they sound like idiots who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near policymaking.

Where's your evidence of that ?
Just you're personal, unsubstantiated opinion ?
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As of mid-2017 about 30% of American adults were gun-owners and another 11% lived in a household with a gun but didn't own it themselves. So around about 100 million people gun owners ish as of 2017. And, of course, the industry has done quite nicely during this time, and, according to retailers, the overwhelming majority of those purchasers have been first-time gun owners.

Indeed it is, which is why I say and significant gun control need a repeal of the 2nd amendment so as to be "constitutional"
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Indeed it would be.

This is probably where you state your opinion that it's not going to happen and present it as fact.
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I think it is exceedingly unlikely.
 
zsu2357 said:
WOW! You mean like 30 magazine clips in half (yes half) a second? Can I legally buy an assault flux capacitor at a flux capacitor show?
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No, no, thankfully, due to the efforts of the heroic Senator from California, nobody except her personal body guards are now allowed to purchase assault flux capacitors at flux capacitor shows. But don't worry, you can still get one from a straw purchaser because cracking down on actual illegal transfer would be racist.
 
roguenuke said:
Wouldn't you feel bad if you tried and ended up shooting someone besides the shooter, which is a very good possibility?

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I would be devastated, but that would be partly reduced if I was able to stop the shooter from killing however many more. Would it be better to do nothing and let the killer finish his work?
 
Moon said:
I would be devastated, but that would be partly reduced if I was able to stop the shooter from killing however many more. Would it be better to do nothing and let the killer finish his work?
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There are other things that could be done.

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cpwill said:
Indeed. I am moderately informed on the matter, have given it not a little thought, and arrived at a reasoned opinion based on what I know. It is unlikely that a well-informed opinion will present information or reasoning of a compelling nature that I haven't encountered before of a kind which would force a serious changing of my position. This is not exactly difficult to understand.
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“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”


Quote by Neil deGrasse Tyson: “One of the great challenges in life is knowing ...”
 
roguenuke said:
There are other things that could be done.

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Reasonable things that could stop the shooter before he kills everyone? What do you think would be quicker and more effective than an armed citizen already in close proximity to the shooter?
 
Moon said:
Reasonable things that could stop the shooter before he kills everyone? What do you think would be quicker and more effective than an armed citizen already in close proximity to the shooter?
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A trained policeman.
 
Moon said:
And if one isn’t there? Just stay back and let the shooter finish his work?
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Then you call 911 and get one

Say active shooter and you get priority with the nearest unit dispatched.
 
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