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Could you take out an active shooter?

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?

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    Votes: 8 24.2%

  • Yes, I could handle it

    Votes: 21 63.6%

  • No, I hunker down until it's over

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Total voters
    33
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Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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In a clear cut situation, yes. But rarely are these actual events clear cut, and I ain't ever at a k-12 school. So realistically...no.
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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Where is it legal for someone to carry a gun into a school?
 
Where's the hell no I'm outta' here button?
 
If you're armed, have eyes on the shooter and a reasonably clear shot the appropriate thing to do is take that shot. There are no guaranteed outcomes in such a situation but if you have an opportunity to eliminate the threat and don't take it....well, I'd damned sure hate to live with knowing I didn't even try.
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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I could damn well try, if I did own and carried a firearm.

However, I don't own any firearms.

But I might still make an attempt to take him down some other way, IF I saw any reasonable possibility of success.

Otherwise, I would try to help kids and other adults to escape or find good cover and concealment. Meanwhile, also call the police.
 
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bongsaway said:
Where's the hell no I'm outta' here button?
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Hey your honest. Thats respectable. A lot of people wouldn't know what they would do until it happens.
 
i am proficient at stationary target shooting. i would need training before attempting to engage an active shooter. in a state of panic, i might hit a bystander, and i would almost certainly be in a state of panic.

none of us really know how we'd react when something like that happens until it does happen. i hope that my family is never in that situation.
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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Probably. Why couldn't you?
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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Except for the fact that I haven't had a reason to go to any school for almost 10 years, none of the schools in my area allow the public to bring firearms...not even concealed carry...into the building and that our schools have teachers with firearms as well as city police officers in the building...yes, I certainly could...and would...take the kid down.
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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OMG the gun owning lobby are about the hang you

Prepare to be accused of saying you don't know anything about guns....don't you know it's a MAGAZINE not a CLIP ?
 
Helix said:
i am proficient at stationary target shooting. i would need training before attempting to engage an active shooter. in a state of panic, i might hit a bystander, and i would almost certainly be in a state of panic.

none of us really know how we'd react when something like that happens until it does happen. i hope that my family is never in that situation.
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Some of us...by virtue of training and experience we've received in our lives (military, law enforcement, etc.)...have a pretty good idea how we'd react in this kind of situation.
 
Mycroft said:
Some of us...by virtue of training and experience we've received in our lives (military, law enforcement, etc.)...have a pretty good idea how we'd react in this kind of situation.
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yeah, the part where i talked about training.
 
Moon said:
Where is it legal for someone to carry a gun into a school?
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You can have a gun on school grounds in Georgia if its secured in your car, but not school buildings


And a concern about arming teachers is that when law enforcement arrive, they look like the bad guy(s).
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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In a second
 
There's some parallels between this event

1986 FBI Miami shootout - Wikipedia

And a school shooting. Mini-14 versus pistols. The criminal was a complete badass though, and our teenager might be a wimp. Unless our teen had already decided to die, which some of them do.

A lack of accuracy on the police side of things was the major problem. It's not easy to shoot someone under combat conditions especially if that person is capable.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Hey your honest. Thats respectable. A lot of people wouldn't know what they would do until it happens.
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Running away when you have the means to save some kids lives is RESPECTFUL? I bet you thought it was respectable when mopes like him slunk into Canada during Viet Nam too.
 
Lutherf said:
If you're armed, have eyes on the shooter and a reasonably clear shot the appropriate thing to do is take that shot. There are no guaranteed outcomes in such a situation but if you have an opportunity to eliminate the threat and don't take it....well, I'd damned sure hate to live with knowing I didn't even try.
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Or rather, if you're armed, take cover. Look for the nearest exit and when you think the shooting is not in your direction, run for it

Remember DON'T just run away, run towards something like better cover or an exit door.

Call 911.
 
Rich2018 said:
Or rather, if you're armed, take cover. Look for the nearest exit and when you think the shooting is not in your direction, run for it

Remember DON'T just run away, run towards something like better cover or an exit door.

Call 911.
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Or rather, if you are armed, take cover, call 911 and report the shooting, look for the best position for a clear shot at the killer. Take the shooter out.

In the OP what if scene the shooter is actively "killing kids, teachers". So you are going to run away from it while kids and teachers are being killed. I could not live with myself if I did.

Now if the OP had suggested that one is outside the buildings and only hearing screams and shots. I agree call 911. I will admit I would not rush in seeking the active shooter. But that is not the scenario the OP presented.
 
Rich2018 said:
Or rather, if you're armed, take cover. Look for the nearest exit and when you think the shooting is not in your direction, run for it

Remember DON'T just run away, run towards something like better cover or an exit door.

Call 911.
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Right. Some people are more comfortable letting others die when they have a chance to help. If that's your preferred way of dealing with the situation then more power to you. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure I couldn't live with myself if I had the opportunity to engage and chose, instead, to run away but not everyone feels that way.
 
Rich2018 said:
Or rather, if you're armed, take cover. Look for the nearest exit and when you think the shooting is not in your direction, run for it

Remember DON'T just run away, run towards something like better cover or an exit door.

Call 911.
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Would you take the shot if armed?
 
mike2810 said:
Or rather, if you are armed, take cover, call 911 and report the shooting, look for the best position for a clear shot at the killer. Take the shooter out.

In the OP what if scene the shooter is actively "killing kids, teachers". So you are going to run away from it while kids and teachers are being killed. I could not live with myself if I did.

Now if the OP had suggested that one is outside the buildings and only hearing screams and shots. I agree call 911. I will admit I would not rush in seeking the active shooter. But that is not the scenario the OP presented.
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I agree with this. I couldn't live with myself.

You could tell the teacher to call 911. There's probably lots of people calling 911 at this point.

Today, one of the school police who let a bunch of kids die, just got his union to get his job back with back pay, even though he did nothing to save those kids. That's what made me think of this question.
 
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Could you take out an active shooter?
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I dont know; My time spent shooting in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't quite the same as returning fire in an Elementary School.....I would like to say yes, but hypothetical scenarios leave too much unanswered.
 
swing_voter said:
Say you have your carry gun on you. 380, compact 9mm, whatever.

For some reason, you're at an elementary school, maybe to pick up a grandkid or your neighbor's grandkid or whatever.

You're in the classroom when you hear a booming crack that echoes down the concrete halls. Then more pops, until it sounds like popcorn out in the all. If Zeus popped corn, that is.

The kids are screaming their heads off.

You glance out the door. It's a teenager with an AR15 and a thirty round clip, killing kids, teachers, whoever shows up. He has a few other thirty round clips and a 9mm glock in his harness. There's blood and bodies all over.

Could you take him out before he kills dozens more?
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Of course I could. If all he's got are 30-round clips, that means he can fire a round, but then he has to lock the bolt to the rear, remove a round from the clip, insert it into the chamber, and release the bolt before he can shoot again.

That takes a while.
 
Da Mole said:
Running away when you have the means to save some kids lives is RESPECTFUL? I bet you thought it was respectable when mopes like him slunk into Canada during Viet Nam too.
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He's honest. Though I doubt he knows what he would do, most people dont have the opportunity to test their metal and hence dont know how they would react.

He's got more respect from me than you do. He's honest. You just make crack remarks about which you obviously know nothing. Have you tested your metal? Were you found wanting? No need to answer. I am not interested in measuring dicks especially with a know nothing.
 
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