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Man Points AK-47 at Deputies

Rich2018

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5/13/20


"Cops shot dead an armed Navy veteran on Tuesday after he fled a traffic stop in Florida.
Four deputies opened fire on the 37-year-old man outside his home in Deltona, which is located between Daytona Beach and Orlando.
The man, who was medically discharged from the Navy in 2012, had pointed an AK-47 rifle at them, Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood said during a news conference.
He had initially been pulled over in neighboring DeLand by a patrol officer for a traffic violation, Chitwood said...."


Veteran shot dead after pointing AK-47 at police officers who chased car when he fled a traffic stop | Daily Mail Online


Just another statistic


Why don't people point assault rifles (or semi-automatic rifles) at police in other developed countries ?
 
Rich2018 said:
5/13/20


"Cops shot dead an armed Navy veteran on Tuesday after he fled a traffic stop in Florida.
Four deputies opened fire on the 37-year-old man outside his home in Deltona, which is located between Daytona Beach and Orlando.
The man, who was medically discharged from the Navy in 2012, had pointed an AK-47 rifle at them, Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood said during a news conference.
He had initially been pulled over in neighboring DeLand by a patrol officer for a traffic violation, Chitwood said...."


Veteran shot dead after pointing AK-47 at police officers who chased car when he fled a traffic stop | Daily Mail Online


Just another statistic


Why don't people point assault rifles (or semi-automatic rifles) at police in other developed countries ?
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Because they have shotguns. Like in Cumbria.
 
5/13/20


Further information:


"Deputies fatally shot a 37-year-old man Tuesday afternoon in a Deltona neighborhood after the suspect fled from a police officer and pulled out a weapon, according to the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office.
Greg Howe, a U.S. Navy veteran, was pronounced dead at the scene, the sheriff’s office said.
No deputies or police officers were hurt in the incident.
A DeLand police officer had pulled Howe over at 3 p.m. Tuesday for a traffic violation near the intersection of South Clara Avenue and West Beresford Avenue, Sheriff Mike Chitwood said at a news conference.
The police officer discovered the license to be suspended, returned to Howe and asked him to step out of the vehicle.

However, Howe fidgeted with something in the driver’s side door, Chitwood said.
“We know what was in that door jamb, now — an AK-47 type weapon,” Chitwood said.
Unable to pull it out, Howe fled the scene, driving away in a white GMC pickup truck.
Deputies deployed multiple stop sticks along Howe’s path, but even after running over them, Howe continued to drive on his vehicle’s rims.
Howe pulled over upon reaching his residence on the 500 block of Haversham Road in Deltona.
Then, Howe exited the truck and pointed an AK-47 at the deputies behind him, the sheriff’s office said.
In response, four deputies shot about 20 rounds, Chitwood said.

An investigation is ongoing but preliminary information shows Howe was arrested for carrying a .40 caliber handgun and rifle during a traffic stop May 1 in Daytona. Investigators have also found that he may be connected with details matching the shooting of a woman in Orange City in April, Chitwood said.
“Who knows as we dig into this deeper what the reason for his actions were. This is clearly strange and deadly behavior,” Chitwood said. “We’re all driving away safe, thank God. That DeLand police officer is probably the luckiest guy in Volusia County.”


Navy vet shot and killed after allegedly pointing 'AK-47 type weapon' at Florida police - Task & Purpose
 
Rich2018 said:
5/13/20


"Cops shot dead an armed Navy veteran on Tuesday after he fled a traffic stop in Florida.
Four deputies opened fire on the 37-year-old man outside his home in Deltona, which is located between Daytona Beach and Orlando.
The man, who was medically discharged from the Navy in 2012, had pointed an AK-47 rifle at them, Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood said during a news conference.
He had initially been pulled over in neighboring DeLand by a patrol officer for a traffic violation, Chitwood said...."


Veteran shot dead after pointing AK-47 at police officers who chased car when he fled a traffic stop | Daily Mail Online


Just another statistic


Why don't people point assault rifles (or semi-automatic rifles) at police in other developed countries ?
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A couple of thoughts come to mind:

  • When we have a population of 325+ million, you get a few bad eggs.
  • The United States isn't the only developed country where an individual has pointed a firearm at law enforcement.
  • The United States is the only country in the world that grants an individual right to own and bear arms.
  • If the AK-47 was a civilian model, it's not technically an assault weapon as it would have select-fire capabilities
 
Stupid man.
 
jotathought said:
A couple of thoughts come to mind:

  • When we have a population of 325+ million, you get a few bad eggs.
  • The United States isn't the only developed country where an individual has pointed a firearm at law enforcement.
  • The United States is the only country in the world that grants an individual right to own and bear arms.
  • If the AK-47 was a civilian model, it's not technically an assault weapon as it would have select-fire capabilities
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To answer:

1. It doesn't matter what the population size is, are you saying that the USA has proportionately more "bad eggs"
If so, where's your evidence on that ?

2. If the USA isn't the only country where people point guns at police, it would certainly appear they do so at a much higher rate than in other developed countries
Why would that be ?

3. True - no argument there, are you suggesting that as an answer to points 1 & 2 ?

4. We don't know what it was exactly, but chances are it was a cheaper Chinese semi-auto gun.
 
Rich2018 said:
To answer:

1. It doesn't matter what the population size is, are you saying that the USA has proportionately more "bad eggs"
If so, where's your evidence on that ?

2. If the USA isn't the only country where people point guns at police, it would certainly appear they do so at a much higher rate than in other developed countries
Why would that be ?

3. True - no argument there, are you suggesting that as an answer to points 1 & 2 ?

4. We don't know what it was exactly, but chances are it was a cheaper Chinese semi-auto gun.
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1) I'm saying with the number of people in the United States .. there is always going to be some individuals committing egregious acts (with or without firearms).

2) You made the claim that the United States was the only developed country where individuals point guns at police officers. I just pointed out that it simply isn't true.

3) Not at all .. The United States has one of the highest (if not thee highest) estimated rates of privately owned guns per capita, and this is attributed to the Second Amendment.

4) No comment .. other than there was a very high probability it didn't have select-fire capabilities, so it's not an assault weapon.
 
jotathought said:
1) I'm saying with the number of people in the United States .. there is always going to be some individuals committing egregious acts (with or without firearms).

2) You made the claim that the United States was the only developed country where individuals point guns at police officers. I just pointed out that it simply isn't true.

3) Not at all .. The United States has one of the highest (if not thee highest) estimated rates of privately owned guns per capita, and this is attributed to the Second Amendment.

4) No comment .. other than there was a very high probability it didn't have select-fire capabilities, so it's not an assault weapon.
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1. Is that not the case in any country
Difference is that in the USA there is almost unlimited access to guns, so those individuals are much more dangerous

2. No, I actually said:

"If the USA isn't the only country where people point guns at police, it would certainly appear they do so at a much higher rate than in other developed countries
Why would that be ?

People may well point AK-47's at police in other countries, but I'm not aware of it (terrorism aside) and indeed it is the case that such occurrences happen, I'm willing to bet it isn't very common place


3. I said ***NO*** argument there and further asked if you thought that might explain points 1 and 2


4. The reports I've read don't confirm if it had select fire - chances are it didn't.
 
IMO this individual should of had his guns confiscated pending the outcome of trial from his May 1st offense of two illegal firearms.
 
Chillfolks said:
IMO this individual should of had his guns confiscated pending the outcome of trial from his May 1st offense of two illegal firearms.
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You would hit opposition from the gun lobby who'd whine that he is innocent until proven guilty

Or threats like, if you want my guns you can have them, bullets first, from my cold dead hands...
 
Rich2018 said:
You would hit opposition from the gun lobby who'd whine that he is innocent until proven guilty

Or threats like, if you want my guns you can have them, bullets first, from my cold dead hands...
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He is innocent until proven guilty.
However I have no problem temporarily suspending his constitutional rights because he had been charged with a gun crime. If he was found guilty then he must make arrangments to have his firearms sold or given to a relative. If he was found not guilty then he recieves all weapons back immediately following the trial.
 
Chillfolks said:
He is innocent until proven guilty.
However I have no problem temporarily suspending his constitutional rights because he had been charged with a gun crime. If he was found guilty then he must make arrangments to have his firearms sold or given to a relative. If he was found not guilty then he recieves all weapons back immediately following the trial.
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I'm often asked by RW gun owners on here, "would you volunteer to take his guns" ?
 
Rich2018 said:
I'm often asked by RW gun owners on here, "would you volunteer to take his guns" ?
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That's because you regularly advocate for everyone's guns being taken away * followed by a derogatory remark. Act like an asshole you'll be treated like an asshole.


* yes we know once taken away you would leave it up to politicians to put out an OK list of guns you can petition to own.
 
Chillfolks said:
IMO this individual should of had his guns confiscated pending the outcome of trial from his May 1st offense of two illegal firearms.
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If he has been indicted, he cannot own firearms until the indictment is quashed or he is acquitted,
 
Rich2018 said:
1. Is that not the case in any country
Difference is that in the USA there is almost unlimited access to guns, so those individuals are much more dangerous
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Contrary to what some people might think in the USA you do not have almost unlimited access to guns and as lots of people are finding out from the recent huge increase in gun purchases as a result of the Coronavirus pandemic you can't just walk into a gun shop and buy a gun like its candy, there's paperwork, background checks, and in many cases waiting periods.
 
Rich2018 said:
5/13/20


"Cops shot dead an armed Navy veteran on Tuesday after he fled a traffic stop in Florida.
Four deputies opened fire on the 37-year-old man outside his home in Deltona, which is located between Daytona Beach and Orlando.
The man, who was medically discharged from the Navy in 2012, had pointed an AK-47 rifle at them, Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood said during a news conference.
He had initially been pulled over in neighboring DeLand by a patrol officer for a traffic violation, Chitwood said...."


Veteran shot dead after pointing AK-47 at police officers who chased car when he fled a traffic stop | Daily Mail Online


Just another statistic


Why don't people point assault rifles (or semi-automatic rifles) at police in other developed countries ?
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Um, what?...lol

VILLA UNION, Mexico (AP) — When dozens of pickup trucks crowded with armed men and mounted machine guns roared into Villa Union, residents of the small town near the US border began to realize they were the target of a military-style invasion.

How the gunfights in north Mexico that left 22 dead unfolded - Business Insider
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Rich2018 said:
5/13/20


"Cops shot dead an armed Navy veteran on Tuesday after he fled a traffic stop in Florida.
Four deputies opened fire on the 37-year-old man outside his home in Deltona, which is located between Daytona Beach and Orlando.
The man, who was medically discharged from the Navy in 2012, had pointed an AK-47 rifle at them, Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood said during a news conference.
He had initially been pulled over in neighboring DeLand by a patrol officer for a traffic violation, Chitwood said...."


Veteran shot dead after pointing AK-47 at police officers who chased car when he fled a traffic stop | Daily Mail Online


Just another statistic


Why don't people point assault rifles (or semi-automatic rifles) at police in other developed countries ?
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Any news story that begins with the words, "A Florida man" you know is going to describe a hot mess.

Example:

Florida Man.jpg
 
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jotathought said:
1) I'm saying with the number of people in the United States .. there is always going to be some individuals committing egregious acts (with or without firearms).

2) You made the claim that the United States was the only developed country where individuals point guns at police officers. I just pointed out that it simply isn't true.

3) Not at all .. The United States has one of the highest (if not thee highest) estimated rates of privately owned guns per capita, and this is attributed to the Second Amendment.

4) No comment .. other than there was a very high probability it didn't have select-fire capabilities, so it's not an assault weapon.
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With certain people the only problem that can possibly be is the guns. Typically this type of poster doesn't know much about firearms. But there are a lot of reasons why people will try and do criminal acts like this.

Based on the details I think this was suicide. First off he was a veteran so he probably had combat training, I doubt he could point a gun at somebody and not fire around off before they shot at him. And he knew they would shoot at him if he pointed the gun.

It's heartbreaking when our veterans come to this point and we really should talk about figuring out why and how to help.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
With certain people the only problem that can possibly be is the guns. Typically this type of poster doesn't know much about firearms. But there are a lot of reasons why people will try and do criminal acts like this.

Based on the details I think this was suicide. First off he was a veteran so he probably had combat training, I doubt he could point a gun at somebody and not fire around off before they shot at him. And he knew they would shoot at him if he pointed the gun.

It's heartbreaking when our veterans come to this point and we really should talk about figuring out why and how to help.
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I wouldn't doubt the scenario you've referenced at all ... and it highlights that guns aren't the problem .. that many of the deranged individuals that take out people have some underlying mental challenges.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I laughed out loud when I saw that.
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Here are a few more:

" Florida man who allegedly threatened family with Coldplay lyrics ends standoff after SWAT promises him pizza"

"Florida man caught on security camera licking doorknob for three hours"

"Florida man ripped urinal from restaurant bathroom, ran away naked into the woods"

Ah.. Florida!
 
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