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Guns didn't help Boris

Bodhisattva said:
Wildebeests or wild beasts? Because I doubt RF lives in Africa and I know there are not any Wildebeests running around in Cincinnati...
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true, the one I was talking about was from Kenya
 
Rich2018 said:
The same reasoning is why you don't need a gun.
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1) I shot a mugger

2) I like to shoot

3) using your logic no one needs

a) fishing poles
b) tennis rackets
c) pointe shoes
d) golf clubs
e) chess sets
f) cards
g) frisbees
h) roller blades
i) hockey sticks
j) swimsuits

etc etc
 
TurtleDude said:
1) I shot a mugger
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Ah yes, I was forgetting your claim

2) I like to shoot
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Recreation

3) using your logic no one needs

a) fishing poles
b) tennis rackets
c) pointe shoes
d) golf clubs
e) chess sets
f) cards
g) frisbees
h) roller blades
i) hockey sticks
j) swimsuits

etc etc
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Nope they don't


But I have no problem with people buying them because they don't cause tens of thousands of casualties per year in the USA.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, he should erect a fence because of that reason

Do read.
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I did read. TD said he doesn't need a fence because he hasn't had any wildebeest damage in 25 years. You said same reasoning why he doesn't need a gun. Well the reasoning is he hasn't had a wildebeest tear up his property. Do you mean something diffrent that what you actually wrote?
 
Rich2018 said:
Ah yes, I was forgetting your claim



Recreation




Nope they don't


But I have no problem with people buying them because they don't cause tens of thousands of casualties per year in the USA.
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and if you actually try to ban and confiscate guns from millions of people who own them, the death toll will make Vietnam and the corona virus pale in comparison
 
Chillfolks said:
I did read. TD said he doesn't need a fence because he hasn't had any wildebeest damage in 25 years. You said same reasoning why he doesn't need a gun. Well the reasoning is he hasn't had a wildebeest tear up his property. Do you mean something diffrent that what you actually wrote?
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No you didn't, or if you did, you failed to understand - which frankly is not surprising given the intellectual content of your posts so far.

TD indeed said that he didn't erect a fence because he hadn't had any wildebeest damage, and I replied by the same REASONING, he doesn't need a gun

Same REASONING, not same REASON


Examples of Same Reasoning:
You don't need a rat trap because you have not had any rats
You don't need a turkey fryer because you've never fried a turkey
You don't need a fire extinguisher because you've never had a fire
 
TurtleDude said:
and if you actually try to ban and confiscate guns from millions of people who own them, the death toll will make Vietnam and the corona virus pale in comparison
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More RW hysteria from you - are you a total Alex Jones fan


Where is your evidence for this ?
 
Rich2018 said:
More RW hysteria from you - are you a total Alex Jones fan


Where is your evidence for this ?
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because the compliance rate in states that have banned guns and require registration for those to use the grandfather clause is less than 20%
 
TurtleDude said:
because the compliance rate in states that have banned guns and require registration for those to use the grandfather clause is less than 20%
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The only gun ban in the states I can remember being enforced, that is the seizure of already privately held guns, was in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, is LA

OK , you can argue the firearm seizure was illegal (and it probably was unconstitutional) but are you aware of examples of Louisiana citizens refusing to hand over their guns ?
 
Rich2018 said:
The only gun ban in the states I can remember being enforced, that is the seizure of already privately held guns, was in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, is LA

OK , you can argue the firearm seizure was illegal (and it probably was unconstitutional) but are you aware of examples of Louisiana citizens refusing to hand over their guns ?
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there has been some contradictory evidence on how widespread that was. I know for a fact that when Cincinnati passed a now defunct "assault weapon ban" citizens living within the city had to register them to keep them. At the time, I was general counsel for two big gun dealers -not in the city but within 15 minutes of Cincinnati. (Cincinnati only had one gun store and it basically sold only to cops). I knew for a fact that those two stores had sold well over 1000 "assault weapons" to City residents within 3 years of that law and less than 100 were registered. Now there were several other dealers even closer: three were in Norwood, Ohio, which is essentially surrounded by Cincinnati. I knew the owner of one-and he said the same thing-he had sold at least 65 AR 15s to people he knew were residents of Cincinnati and another 75 or so firearms that also were on the banned list and needed to be registered.
 
Rich2018 said:
No you didn't, or if you did, you failed to understand - which frankly is not surprising given the intellectual content of your posts so far.

TD indeed said that he didn't erect a fence because he hadn't had any wildebeest damage, and I replied by the same REASONING, he doesn't need a gun

Same REASONING, not same REASON


Examples of Same Reasoning:
You don't need a rat trap because you have not had any rats
You don't need a turkey fryer because you've never fried a turkey
You don't need a fire extinguisher because you've never had a fire
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So you conclude he needs a gnu fence.
 
TurtleDude said:
there has been some contradictory evidence on how widespread that was. I know for a fact that when Cincinnati passed a now defunct "assault weapon ban" citizens living within the city had to register them to keep them. At the time, I was general counsel for two big gun dealers -not in the city but within 15 minutes of Cincinnati. (Cincinnati only had one gun store and it basically sold only to cops). I knew for a fact that those two stores had sold well over 1000 "assault weapons" to City residents within 3 years of that law and less than 100 were registered. Now there were several other dealers even closer: three were in Norwood, Ohio, which is essentially surrounded by Cincinnati. I knew the owner of one-and he said the same thing-he had sold at least 65 AR 15s to people he knew were residents of Cincinnati and another 75 or so firearms that also were on the banned list and needed to be registered.
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Did Cincinnati ever fine seize those weapons ?

If there was a big enough stick like a hefty fine or even a prison sentence, I think compliance might have been higher.

Basically if law enforcement comes to your door with a search warrant and demands your guns.
I think that most people will hand them over.
 
Rich2018 said:
Did Cincinnati ever fine seize those weapons ?

If there was a big enough stick like a hefty fine or even a prison sentence, I think compliance might have been higher.

Basically if law enforcement comes to your door with a search warrant and demands your guns.
I think that most people will hand them over.
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yes and in one case the city prosecutor tried to charge someone with a state felony (it used to be illegal to have a firearm with more than 30 rounds in it and the cops squeezed 31 rounds in a RUGER Mini 14 mag. The trial judge threw that out, and threw out the charges saying the city law was most likely unconstitutional but was soon to be preempted by a law that was about to pass state wide
 
TurtleDude said:
yes and in one case the city prosecutor tried to charge someone with a state felony (it used to be illegal to have a firearm with more than 30 rounds in it and the cops squeezed 31 rounds in a RUGER Mini 14 mag. The trial judge threw that out, and threw out the charges saying the city law was most likely unconstitutional but was soon to be preempted by a law that was about to pass state wide
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What I was getting at, was did Cincinnati ever seize a weapon


Did any citizen resist the police ?
 
Rich2018 said:
What I was getting at, was did Cincinnati ever seize a weapon


Did any citizen resist the police ?
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no idea because if the person was a felon the seizure wouldn't have been listed as due to the new law. One of the police higher ups said the thing was a waste of time
 
TurtleDude said:
no idea because if the person was a felon the seizure wouldn't have been listed as due to the new law. One of the police higher ups said the thing was a waste of time
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That's the point.


In the UK, there was no resistance to gun bans

But of course the mindless RW will scream "I don't give a f**k what happen there, we're not British" (unless of course they find a stats that shows UK crime rose after gun control legislation, then they do give a f**k)


So the only US evidence as to whether ordinary gun owners would violently resist a gun ban comes from the Louisiana gun seizure.
 
Rich2018 said:
That's the point.


In the UK, there was no resistance to gun bans

But of course the mindless RW will scream "I don't give a f**k what happen there, we're not British" (unless of course they find a stats that shows UK crime rose after gun control legislation, then they do give a f**k)


So the only US evidence as to whether ordinary gun owners would violently resist a gun ban comes from the Louisiana gun seizure.
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Resistance doesn't have to be violent in order to be effective. But a gun ban would be enforced with the threat and even the implementation of violence no matter whether the resistance was violent or not. That tells me who the bad guys are in your fantasy scenario.
 
TurtleDude said:
no idea because if the person was a felon the seizure wouldn't have been listed as due to the new law. One of the police higher ups said the thing was a waste of time
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I looked again and found an (unconfirmed) source claiming about 700 guns were confiscated in the aftermath of Katrina and while many gun owners protested verbally, none refused to hand over their guns.


At least I can find no reports of such refusals.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Now I see why you could not follow the logic of my argument.'

ammosexual
homosexual
heterosexual
bisexual

Seeing a pattern?
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Yeah, I see a pattern: the only one of those that's okay to use as an insult, apparently, is the first one. Thus my comment.
 
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