Proper Treatment Of Those Who Switch Sides

Rich2018 · May 19, 2020

DebateChallenge said:
You make a good point, we shouldn't play his games.

As Fairground Attraction once said "Life is too short, to play silly games, I've promised myself, I won't do that again"

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DebateChallenge · May 20, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Number of batteries it holds = greater power

They make lights that are short enough to put on handguns that put out over 1000 lumens, just how much power do you think you need?
But you said:

Rich2018 said:
Fairly easy to attach to a shotgun, even without a rail, wouldn't you say ?

If I wanted to put a light on a shotgun I would use a light that's designed to go on a shotgun if I wanted to put a light on a handgun I would use a light that's designed for a handgun.

Rich2018 said:
Where did you study physics ?

In High School and College.
If you studied physics you would know that a longer lever means more imbalance.

Rich2018 said:
No but if they have 20+ I would do.

If they have five cars I would say they have five cars, if they have 20 cars I would say they have 20 cars, if they have over 20 cars I would say they have over 20 cars.

Chillfolks · May 20, 2020

Rich2018 said:
That I disagree

As the ad for the Surefire light I posted shows

That Surefire light is going to require some basic level of gun smithing knowledge and someone without that knowledge would struggle swapping out the nessecary parts. A light attaching to a rail system only requires thr tightening of one or two screws, something anyone can do.

There may be advantages others see in that system I don't but there is no possible way it is easier to install than a light is on an gun with a rail system.

Number of batteries it holds = greater power

Not true anymore. It is possible to power a smaller LED light with less batteries than a conventional light and have the LED put out more lumes.

Rich2018 · May 20, 2020

DebateChallenge said:
They make lights that are short enough to put on handguns that put out over 1000 lumens, just how much power do you think you need?

Still easier to attach to a shotgun than a pistol

It won't affect the balance of the shotgun as much either

If I wanted to put a light on a shotgun I would use a light that's designed to go on a shotgun if I wanted to put a light on a handgun I would use a light that's designed for a handgun.

But there are pistol and shotguns that don't have lights designed for them
For instance I doubt the shotgun in the very picture you posted doesn't

Now and old shotgun with no light designed to fit it will be far easier to fit a generic light than an old pistol with no light designed to fit it

If they have five cars I would say they have five cars, if they have 20 cars I would say they have 20 cars, if they have over 20 cars I would say they have over 20 cars.

You could say a rich man has over 20 cars...or you could say he was so rich, he had a gazillion cars

Rich2018 · May 20, 2020

Chillfolks said:
That Surefire light is going to require some basic level of gun smithing knowledge and someone without that knowledge would struggle swapping out the nessecary parts. A light attaching to a rail system only requires thr tightening of one or two screws, something anyone can do.

There may be advantages others see in that system I don't but there is no possible way it is easier to install than a light is on an gun with a rail system.

Doesn't look like serious gunsmithing required to me:

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Not true anymore. It is possible to power a smaller LED light with less batteries than a conventional light and have the LED put out more lumes.

I'll take your word for it, though Surefight lights for shotguns do seem to be a bit bigger than ones made for pistols.

Chillfolks · May 20, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Doesn't look like serious gunsmithing required to me:

That's why I said a basic knowledge of gun smithing is required. It doesn't require the level of knowledge one needs to bore or rifle a barrel, but it does require more than the righty tighty knowledge needed to attach a light to a rail system. Plus a rail system would allow someone to swap out whatever accessory best fits the need unlike the Surelight system.

Again some may find it a good option for them, I'm just not one of those people and consider other options a better solution.

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I'll take your word for it, though Surefight lights for shotguns do seem to be a bit bigger than ones made for pistols.

Bigger isn't always better especially when talking about strapping things onto firearms. But everyone should pick whatever beat fits their needs and is comfortable to them concerning firearms especially for home/peraonal protection.

Rich2018 · May 20, 2020

Chillfolks said:
That's why I said a basic knowledge of gun smithing is required. It doesn't require the level of knowledge one needs to bore or rifle a barrel, but it does require more than the righty tighty knowledge needed to attach a light to a rail system. Plus a rail system would allow someone to swap out whatever accessory best fits the need unlike the Surelight system.

Doesn't even look like basic gunsmithing or gunsmithing at all

Again some may find it a good option for them, I'm just not one of those people and consider other options a better solution.

Looks a good way of attaching a light to a shotgun that doesn't have a rail
Very simple too

Bigger isn't always better especially when talking about strapping things onto firearms. But everyone should pick whatever beat fits their needs and is comfortable to them concerning firearms especially for home/peraonal protection.

When attaching a light to a shotgun, I would'n't pick a light that's normally attached to a pistol, but a light that's made for a shotgun. And it's no surprise that they are bigger.

DebateChallenge · May 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Still easier to attach to a shotgun than a pistol

Not really. Not if the pistol is designed to have a light attached to it.

Rich2018 said:
But there are pistol and shotguns that don't have lights designed for them
For instance I doubt the shotgun in the very picture you posted doesn't

That's why if I were to attach a light to a shotgun or pistol I would attach it to a shotgun or pistol that's designed to have a light attached to it. I wouldn't try to attach a light to a shotgun like the one in the picture I posted.

Rich2018 said:
Now and old shotgun with no light designed to fit it will be far easier to fit a generic light than an old pistol with no light designed to fit it

I wouldn't be trying to fit a light on such guns in the first place.

Rich2018 said:
You could say a rich man has over 20 cars...or you could say he was so rich, he had a gazillion cars

Whatever you say.

Rich2018 · May 21, 2020

DebateChallenge said:
Not really. Not if the pistol is designed to have a light attached to it.

No, I grant you, if a pistil, any firearm actually, is designed for a light to be attached, it probably with be fairly easy
What proportion of hand guns are so designed according to your data ?

Your point ?

That's why if I were to attach a light to a shotgun or pistol I would attach it to a shotgun or pistol that's designed to have a light attached to it. I wouldn't try to attach a light to a shotgun like the one in the picture I posted.

What if you have a shotgun that is not so designed and can't afford a new one ?

Do you think the positive reviews of surefire lights are lying ?
It might just be my perception but aren't MOST shotguns not designed with a light attachment point ?

I wouldn't be trying to fit a light on such guns in the first place.

Yes a lot of people so
Indeed there are a lot of YouTube video's saying that a putting a light on your shotgun (whatever it is you have) is more than just a good idea - how do you account for their views?

Whatever you say.

Cheers.

DebateChallenge · May 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
No, I grant you, if a pistil, any firearm actually, is designed for a light to be attached, it probably with be fairly easy
What proportion of hand guns are so designed according to your data ?

Im not sure of what proportion but they do make handguns that are made to attach lights to and they're quite common and not any harder to get than handguns that aren't made to attach lights to.

Rich2018 said:
What if you have a shotgun that is not so designed and can't afford a new one ?

In that case I would get a light that's meant to be attached to such a shotgun or I might tape or clamp it on.

Rich2018 said:
Yes a lot of people so
Indeed there are a lot of YouTube video's saying that a putting a light on your shotgun (whatever it is you have) is more than just a good idea - how do you account for their views?

Good for them, if that's what they want to do.

Rich2018 · May 21, 2020

DebateChallenge said:
Im not sure of what proportion but they do make handguns that are made to attach lights to and they're quite common and not any harder to get than handguns that aren't made to attach lights to.

I'm not aware of any, but if they do exists, as I said fixing a light to it would probably be easier than fitting alight to a shotgun that not designed to take a light

I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'd suspect they're a small niche of handguns if they do

In that case I would get a light that's meant to be attached to such a shotgun or I might tape or clamp it on.

Like the Surefire light I mentioned

Good for them, if that's what they want to do.

And I'd say they represent the majority of shotgun owners or at least a sizable chunk of the home defense shotgun market

If I had a shotgun for home defense, I'd consider a light fitted to it, an essential.

Chillfolks · May 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
I'm not aware of any, but if they do exists, as I said fixing a light to it would probably be easier than fitting alight to a shotgun that not designed to take a light

I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'd suspect they're a small niche of handguns if they do

Shop Semi-Automatic Handguns

A quick semi auto handgun search on the website produces for sure 4 of the first 9 handguns with a rail system and 2 probable ones, didn't look that close to determine.

So your thoughts on them being a small niche need to be reevaluated.

Rich2018 · May 21, 2020

Chillfolks said:
Shop Semi-Automatic Handguns

A quick semi auto handgun search on the website produces for sure 4 of the first 9 handguns with a rail system and 2 probable ones, didn't look that close to determine.

So your thoughts on them being a small niche need to be reevaluated.

A rail system doesn't mean they're designed to take lights, it means they're designed to be capable of taking lights

Designed to take lights, means you're supposed to fit one to balance the weapon etc.

Chillfolks · May 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
A rail system doesn't mean they're designed to take lights, it means they're designed to be capable of taking lights

Designed to take lights, means you're supposed to fit one to balance the weapon etc.

Ok whatever you want to think.

Rich2018 · May 21, 2020

Chillfolks said:
Ok whatever you want to think.

Sorry do you despite there's a difference between designed to have a light fitted and designed to be cable of having a light fitted ?

Fledermaus · May 21, 2020

Chillfolks said:
Ok whatever you want to think.

It appears to be a trend. Asks a thousands questions only to ignore a thousand answers/

Chillfolks · May 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Sorry do you despite there's a difference between designed to have a light fitted and designed to be cable of having a light fitted ?

I am not interested in splitting that hair with you. You're free to think whatever you need to about handguns with rail systems amd what they are designed for.

Rich2018 · May 21, 2020

Chillfolks said:
I am not interested in splitting that hair with you. You're free to think whatever you need to about handguns with rail systems amd what they are designed for.

Well you can also fit one of those lasers on to a pistol rail system.

Chillfolks · May 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Well you can also fit one of those lasers on to a pistol rail system.

Yes a rail system allows you to customize your firearm in many different configurations depending on your needs.

Rich2018 · May 21, 2020

Chillfolks said:
Yes a rail system allows you to customize your firearm in many different configurations depending on your needs.

But the gun is balanced for no attachments.

Just saying, a rail system doesn't mean a gun is designed to have a light.

Chillfolks · May 21, 2020

Rich2018 said:
But the gun is balanced for no attachments.

Just saying, a rail system doesn't mean a gun is designed to have a light.

Ok say it all you want

Rich2018 · May 22, 2020

Chillfolks said:
Ok say it all you want

Well it's true - a gun build with a rail system doesn't mean a gun is designed to have a light.

Chillfolks · May 22, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Well it's true - a gun build with a rail system doesn't mean a gun is designed to have a light.

Ok keep repeating whatever you need to

Rich2018 · May 22, 2020

Chillfolks said:
Ok keep repeating whatever you need to

Then if you dispute it, say why.

Chillfolks · May 22, 2020

Rich2018 said:
Then if you dispute it, say why.

I have no desire to go down that rabbit hole and split hairs on what the meaning of designed for is.

You’ve gone from shotguns aren’t portable, to it’s easier to put light on a shotgun than a handgun with a rail, to even if a handgun is designed with a rail system it really isn’t designed to have a flashlight because of balance. The moving of goalposts each time you’re proven inaccurate shtick has worn itself out. So think what you need to about handguns and rail systems.