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Proper Treatment Of Those Who Switch Sides

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So during this Coronavirus outbreak there have been tons of people who have bought guns and many of them are first time gun buyers. We've even got people from the gun control crowd who have decided to switch sides and who have bought, or have wanted to buy, guns. The problem is when we treat them the wrong way, all too often people from the gun crowd will be saying stuff such as, "I told you so," or "So now you want a gun now that a crisis has hit," or otherwise mocking and ridiculing them for their past positions on guns. This is the wrong way to deal with them.

We need to welcome them to the gun community. In the cause for gun rights, the more people we've got the better. Lots of people who were on the fence or who were against guns have recently learned that guns are not quite as easy to legally get as they had thought. You can't just go into a gun store and walk out with a gun like its candy, you have to fill out paperwork, go through background checks, and depending on your state you might need licenses and waiting periods too. Contrary to what lots of people thought you can't buy a gun over the internet and have it sent to your house, if you do buy a gun on the internet you have to have it sent to an FFL dealership in your state and go there to pick it up and go through the same procedure as if you were buying a gun there.

So we should welcome everybody into the gun community who has decided to buy guns during this outbreak. I can see how we might want to punish them for their past attitudes towards guns and their past positions but mocking and ridiculing is what the gun control crowd does, we don't need to lower ourselves to their level.
 
Any stats to back this up? (Legitimate question, I am not seeing much from the usual sources suggesting spikes in first time gun buyers. It may or may not be happening.)
 
DebateChallenge said:
So during this Coronavirus outbreak there have been tons of people who have bought guns and many of them are first time gun buyers. We've even got people from the gun control crowd who have decided to switch sides and who have bought, or have wanted to buy, guns. The problem is when we treat them the wrong way, all too often people from the gun crowd will be saying stuff such as, "I told you so," or "So now you want a gun now that a crisis has hit," or otherwise mocking and ridiculing them for their past positions on guns. This is the wrong way to deal with them.

We need to welcome them to the gun community. In the cause for gun rights, the more people we've got the better. Lots of people who were on the fence or who were against guns have recently learned that guns are not quite as easy to legally get as they had thought. You can't just go into a gun store and walk out with a gun like its candy, you have to fill out paperwork, go through background checks, and depending on your state you might need licenses and waiting periods too. Contrary to what lots of people thought you can't buy a gun over the internet and have it sent to your house, if you do buy a gun on the internet you have to have it sent to an FFL dealership in your state and go there to pick it up and go through the same procedure as if you were buying a gun there.

So we should welcome everybody into the gun community who has decided to buy guns during this outbreak. I can see how we might want to punish them for their past attitudes towards guns and their past positions but mocking and ridiculing is what the gun control crowd does, we don't need to lower ourselves to their level.
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Good post. They're not hypocrites; they're just being awakened to the reality that their secure suburban societies are fragile and self-reliance is necessary in a crisis.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Good post. They're not hypocrites; they're just being awakened to the reality that their secure suburban societies are fragile and self-reliance is necessary in a crisis.
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True words. But I would add that self-reliance is necessary in more than just times of crisis.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Good post. They're not hypocrites; they're just being awakened to the reality that their secure suburban societies are fragile and self-reliance is necessary in a crisis.
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They're victims of the fear being peddled.


Congress should pass a law that a gun shop selling a gun, during this pandemic, MUST buy it back for the SAME price once the pandemic is declared over by the WHO.
 
Rich2018 said:
They're victims of the fear being peddled.


Congress should pass a law that a gun shop selling a gun, during this pandemic, MUST buy it back for the SAME price once the pandemic is declared over by the WHO.
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No that would rip off the gun shops. Once a gun is purchased it is considered "used" and its value is diminished to that of a "used" gun. Even if it hasn't been fired it is still considered "used" and is worth less than when it was first purchased.
 
=Rich2018;1071605517]They're victims of the fear being peddled.
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Of course you have no fear that someone/s would want to take what you may have.

Congress should pass a law that a gun shop selling a gun, during this pandemic, MUST buy it back for the SAME price once the pandemic is declared over by the WHO.
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And if they don't want to get their money back?
 
zsu2357 said:
And if they don't want to get their money back?
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There might be some people who return guns but I would say the vast majority wouldn't. When it comes to guns and the gun community I can say this much, once you go down that path there's no turning back.

Not to mention what Rich2018 wants is for the people running the government to become criminals. With the law he proposes, number one the President would never sign it into law, number two it would never even get to the President's desk as Congress would not pass it in the first place.
 
Mostly first time buyers would surprise me. This is standard behavior for the gun folk. They are easily spooked.
 
Rich2018 said:
They're victims of the fear being peddled.


Congress should pass a law that a gun shop selling a gun, during this pandemic, MUST buy it back for the SAME price once the pandemic is declared over by the WHO.
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That would really screw over gun shops. Is that the ultimate goal?

If politicians and Congress want some type of buy back program than design one as part of the bail out. Something like A 60 day fair market value offer on anyone interested in surrendering a firearm.

The gun store buy back program still keeps those guns in potential circulation verse a Federal buy back that would result in destruction.
 
Chillfolks said:
That would really screw over gun shops. Is that the ultimate goal?
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No but it would stop panic sales

Besides, if the gun lobby is right, these new gun owners will not sell their new guns, and they will see their value

They seem to be saying that these new gun owners are permanently members of the gun owning fraternity regardless of the price of guns



If politicians and Congress want some type of buy back program than design one as part of the bail out. Something like A 60 day fair market value offer on anyone interested in surrendering a firearm.
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I was thinking more of a national "lemon law" where you can change your mind...except the period is extended to match the duration of the pandemic.

The gun store buy back program still keeps those guns in potential circulation verse a Federal buy back that would result in destruction.[/QUOTE]
 
Rich2018 said:
So which is it ?

Will these new gun owners sell after the pandemic or not ?

Or will they only sell if they can recoup their outlay ?
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Or they may sell at a profit later.

Or they may turn it in during gun buyback programs.

Or they pass it on to their heirs.

Or they trade it for other goods.
 
zsu2357 said:
Of course you have no fear that someone/s would want to take what you may have.
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Oddly enough nope...I walk away from the supermarket, with bags of groceries, untroubled by such fears


And if they don't want to get their money back?
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Then gun store have no fear for being "punished" for peddling fear.
 
DebateChallenge said:
So during this Coronavirus outbreak there have been tons of people who have bought guns and many of them are first time gun buyers. We've even got people from the gun control crowd who have decided to switch sides and who have bought, or have wanted to buy, guns. The problem is when we treat them the wrong way, all too often people from the gun crowd will be saying stuff such as, "I told you so," or "So now you want a gun now that a crisis has hit," or otherwise mocking and ridiculing them for their past positions on guns. This is the wrong way to deal with them.

We need to welcome them to the gun community. In the cause for gun rights, the more people we've got the better. Lots of people who were on the fence or who were against guns have recently learned that guns are not quite as easy to legally get as they had thought. You can't just go into a gun store and walk out with a gun like its candy, you have to fill out paperwork, go through background checks, and depending on your state you might need licenses and waiting periods too. Contrary to what lots of people thought you can't buy a gun over the internet and have it sent to your house, if you do buy a gun on the internet you have to have it sent to an FFL dealership in your state and go there to pick it up and go through the same procedure as if you were buying a gun there.

So we should welcome everybody into the gun community who has decided to buy guns during this outbreak. I can see how we might want to punish them for their past attitudes towards guns and their past positions but mocking and ridiculing is what the gun control crowd does, we don't need to lower ourselves to their level.
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That's been my entire beef with the NRA in the last ten years or so.
I've been a lefty my entire life...not extreme Left, just an ordinary center-Left guy.
I'm sick of the whole "libtards are fraid of gunz" nonsense...I've owned at least one gun or more my entire adult life and the 2A is okay by me.

Gun owners should reach out and have rational convos with those who are capable of it.
We may differ politically on some issues but when it comes to protecting ourselves, our families, loved ones, our businesses, we should be one people. We can always go back to arguing later.
 
Rich2018 said:
They're victims of the fear being peddled.


Congress should pass a law that a gun shop selling a gun, during this pandemic, MUST buy it back for the SAME price once the pandemic is declared over by the WHO.
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Congress should defer Americans' rights to the WHO? Let's put that to a vote! lol
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Congress should defer Americans' rights to the WHO? Let's put that to a vote! lol
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So who would you rather trust as a source for the pandemic - the WHO or Trump (who wanted to end the COVID-19 quarantine restrictions and have the USA operating as normal by Easter) ?
 
Rich2018 said:
No but it would stop panic sales
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If anything it would encourage panic sales with the knowledge you can just take it back when its over.

Besides, if the gun lobby is right, these new gun owners will not sell their new guns, and they will see their value
They seem to be saying that these new gun owners are permanently members of the gun owning fraternity regardless of the price of guns
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Some will be kept some will be sold just as any other firearm purchase would be.



I was thinking more of a national "lemon law" where you can change your mind...except the period is extended to match the duration of the pandemic.
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A lemon law covers a consumer over a defective product. Not sure how that would apply.

Punishing gun stores for peoples purchases is not the way to go.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
That's been my entire beef with the NRA in the last ten years or so.
I've been a lefty my entire life...not extreme Left, just an ordinary center-Left guy.
I'm sick of the whole "libtards are fraid of gunz" nonsense...I've owned at least one gun or more my entire adult life and the 2A is okay by me.

Gun owners should reach out and have rational convos with those who are capable of it.
We may differ politically on some issues but when it comes to protecting ourselves, our families, loved ones, our businesses, we should be one people. We can always go back to arguing later.
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Most people who own firearms will not demand that you go out an buy one. Most people you meet on the street that are carrying a CW you would never know it. Most gun owners don't care if you own a firearm or not, yes, we can have a rational conversation about firearms, as long as it is rational and not biased. I was raised with firearms in the house, I'm now 70 years old and never in my 70 years have I had the urge or desire to shoot someone. I have firearms in my home, this is for protection and target shooting, I just hope I have to never use it for protection, because I know that if I need it is there. The same goes with my fire extinguisher I keep in the kitchen, I hope I never have to use it, but it is there just incase.
 
Chillfolks said:
If anything it would encourage panic sales with the knowledge you can just take it back when its over.
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But it might stop gun shops selling so fast....and initiating a cool off period before handing over the gun.

Some will be kept some will be sold just as any other firearm purchase would be.
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No, they weren't bought that way, and unlike food, they can't be consumed

I would expect most people buying guns out of fear, to want to get rid of them once the fear/panic has passed.


We'll see what the price of guns does once the pandemic is officially over


A lemon law covers a consumer over a defective product. Not sure how that would apply.

Punishing gun stores for peoples purchases is not the way to go.
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Yes it does, but it means you can get your money back within a certain period and you DON'T have to prove the product was defective

Would it help if gun store can do the same with their suppliers ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So who would you rather trust as a source for the pandemic - the WHO or Trump (who wanted to end the COVID-19 quarantine restrictions and have the USA operating as normal by Easter) ?
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The WHO are experts on gun rights?
 
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