• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Los Angeles Sheriff closes gun stores

swing_voter

swing_voter

DP Veteran
Joined
Aug 4, 2019
Messages
13,042
Reaction score
8,463
Location
'Murica
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Independent
Sheriff Alex Villanueva said earlier that a “loophole” had allowed gun shops to stay open, and many attracted long lines of customers. Villanueva said the order was meant to keep open gun and ammunition businesses that support police departments and other security organizations.

The stay-at-home order is not a license “for everyone to be panic gun-buying or rushing to stores, which is now what we're seeing," Villanueva said.

He said gun shops have complied and deputies have not had to issue any citations. The county's stay-at-home order was crafted by the health department and Villanueva said he's working with the agency on new language.

LA sheriff clashes with county lawyer over closing gun shops | KMPH
Click to expand...




Do you think gun stores are essential?

Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.

Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
 
swing_voter said:
Do you think gun stores are essential?

Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.

Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
Click to expand...

Not in that part of CA, it's exempt from the Constitution. ;)
 
swing_voter said:
Do you think gun stores are essential?

Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.

Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
Click to expand...

I don't know.


I know they're not closing liquor stores.

Food for thought.
 
One near me considers itself to be essential.
 
swing_voter said:
Do you think gun stores are essential?

Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.

Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
Click to expand...

Why can't they just let in 5 customers at a time...or perhaps less if it's a really small store.
 
=swing_voter;1071564124]Do you think gun stores are essential?
Click to expand...
I'm very sure the owner and employees think so.
Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.
Click to expand...
No bigger of a crowd then grocery stores do, probably less.
Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
Click to expand...
I don't see the point. Since this county is huge and ten million, could he be playing to (D) voters?
 
swing_voter said:
Do you think gun stores are essential?

Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.

Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
Click to expand...

I'm against mandatory closing of businesses by government.
 
zsu2357 said:
I'm very sure the owner and employees think so....
Click to expand...

Especially the time of the month they pay their bills


No bigger of a crowd then grocery stores do, probably less.
Click to expand...

Supermarkets tend to be a lot bigger



I don't see the point. Since this county is huge and ten million, could he be playing to (D) voters?
Click to expand...


Or keeping Democrat AND Republican voters safe ?
 
swing_voter said:
Do you think gun stores are essential?

Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.

Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
Click to expand...

He closed gun stores, then released convicts onto the streets. That's a bad combination.
 
zsu2357 said:
Don't CA. gun stores do BCs?
Click to expand...

Don't California ?

Only on the person actually buying the gun, not the person it's intended for
Have you never heard of straw man purchases - it's claimed that this is the principal source of weapons for criminals.
 
Rich2018 said:
Don't California ?

Only on the person actually buying the gun, not the person it's intended for
Have you never heard of straw man purchases - it's claimed that this is the principal source of weapons for criminals.
Click to expand...
No.

“Among prisoners serving time for a crime during which they possessed a gun, about half got their weapons either on the underground market (43 percent) or through theft (6 percent). Meanwhile, 10 percent bought guns from a retail source, including 0.8 percent who bought them at gun shows.

Another 11 percent of the time, someone else bought the gun for them, either as a gift or as a straw purchase”
DOJ Report on Where Criminals Get Their Guns | National Review
 
swing_voter said:
Do you think gun stores are essential?

Personally, I don't see a problem with them closing for a few weeks if they're attracting big crowds of people.

Sheriffs have a lot of weird powers that are grandfathered in from the old days, drafting people for posses being one.
Click to expand...
As long as people aren’t breaking any laws there is no justification for closing gun stores.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
No.

“Among prisoners serving time for a crime during which they possessed a gun, about half got their weapons either on the underground market (43 percent) or through theft (6 percent). Meanwhile, 10 percent bought guns from a retail source, including 0.8 percent who bought them at gun shows.
Click to expand...



"The ATF examined gun-trafficking investigations from July 1996 to December 1998 and
found that 46% of trafficking investigations during this period involved straw purchasers.11 This was nearly double the percentage of the next closest source...":



https://everytownresearch.org/docum...-purchasing-criminals-get-guns-illegally.pdf/
 
Rich2018 said:
Have you never heard of a "straw man purchase"

It's claimed that it's the principal method criminals get guns.
Click to expand...



Among prisoners serving time for a crime during which they possessed a gun, about half got their weapons either on the underground market (43 percent) or through theft (6 percent). Meanwhile, 10 percent bought guns from a retail source, including 0.8 percent who bought them at gun shows.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf

You really need to shut up with your usual BS on here.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Even if true, do you realize your reference is more than 20 years old?
Click to expand...

Yes, do you think that's significant ?


"Straw purchases are the most common channel for gun trafficking, according the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; a 2000 report found that they were responsible for nearly half of all firearms in trafficking investigations..."


San Jose's Gun Control Bill Would Target 'Straw Buyers" - CityLab


That on'e a bit more recent.


What figures were you able to find ?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Among prisoners serving time for a crime during which they possessed a gun, about half got their weapons either on the underground market (43 percent) or through theft (6 percent). Meanwhile, 10 percent bought guns from a retail source, including 0.8 percent who bought them at gun shows.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf

You really need to shut up with your usual BS on here.
Click to expand...

My source contradict yours and I never said that straw man purchases account for the biggest source of guns for criminals


So YOU need to shut up and read more carefully as well as do more comprehensive research.
 
Rich2018 said:
My source contradict yours and I never said that straw man purchases account for the biggest source of guns for criminals


So YOU need to shut up and read more carefully as well as do more comprehensive research.
Click to expand...

LOL.....


Senator Foghorn Leghorn................................ You ain't right boy.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom