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TypicalRussian

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Isn't it ironic that the left only goes on a gun control crusade only when a mass shooting happens, but in their own cities, gun violence hits extreme levels.But his hysteria is irrational for a couple of reasons

1.Mass shooting deaths has remained remarkably consistent except for one outlier-2012, this means that the assault weapon ban of 1994-2004 had no effect, as well as democrat hysteria about mass shooting deaths increasing is incorrect.(yes the 2017 Las Vegas shooting is not included, that guy had 50 guns to bring in to a hotel, that is just bad security, TERRIBLE security in fact)

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2.Also, among developed countries, America does not rank #1, but 4th, can we just get that out of the way-https://www.cengage.com/search/productOverview.do?Ntt=crime+NOT+murder%7C2079376734180961617312322421951467701648&N=197&Nr=197&Ntk=adv%7CP_EPI&Ntx=mode+matchboolean

3.Mass shootings is tied to mental health more than guns-https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/jared-loughner-mass-shootings-mental-illness/

61% of mass shooters had a mental health issue, 62% of shooters showed signs of mental instability in the days, weeks, and months before the massacres. AND 90% of the attackers struggled with suicide, depression, and a mental illness. So why are we talking about banning guns? We should be focusing on mental health as it is a CLEAR variable-https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0002764209332546

4.What Percentage Of Mass Shootings Happen In ‘Gun Free Zones’? The Number Is Stunning. | The Daily Wire

98% of all mass-shootings happen in gun-free zones. IF America became a gun free-zone then imagine the crime waves. Mass shooters look for areas where guns are not allowed. They know that if they enter a non gun-free zone then they would be neutralised

5.Civilians stop mass shootings in non gun-free zones

Places where guns are allowed stop mass shootings from happening

Examples:Chicago, July 7, 2014: Denzel A. Mickiel cornered by fellow party-goer.
Rockledge, Florida, November 24, 2017: Robert Bailey stopped by armed co-workers.
Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017: Emanuel Kidega Samson stopped by church usher.
Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017: James Jones shot by bar patron.
Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016: Jody Ray Thompson stopped after shooting three victims.

If voter ID laws disenfranchise minority voters, don't similar rules prevent minorities from owning guns? Congressman uses CPRC research - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center you want to know all of these cases of protective gun use, this website provides excellent resources.

Conclusion

dont believe the gun grabbers and the MSM
 
TypicalRussian said:
Isn't it ironic that the left only goes on a gun control crusade only when a mass shooting happens, but in their own cities, gun violence hits extreme levels.But his hysteria is irrational for a couple of reasons

1.Mass shooting deaths has remained remarkably consistent except for one outlier-2012, this means that the assault weapon ban of 1994-2004 had no effect, as well as democrat hysteria about mass shooting deaths increasing is incorrect.(yes the 2017 Las Vegas shooting is not included, that guy had 50 guns to bring in to a hotel, that is just bad security, TERRIBLE security in fact)

2.Also, among developed countries, America does not rank #1, but 4th, can we just get that out of the way-https://www.cengage.com/search/productOverview.do?Ntt=crime+NOT+murder%7C2079376734180961617312322421951467701648&N=197&Nr=197&Ntk=adv%7CP_EPI&Ntx=mode+matchboolean

3.Mass shootings is tied to mental health more than guns-https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/jared-loughner-mass-shootings-mental-illness/

61% of mass shooters had a mental health issue, 62% of shooters showed signs of mental instability in the days, weeks, and months before the massacres. AND 90% of the attackers struggled with suicide, depression, and a mental illness. So why are we talking about banning guns? We should be focusing on mental health as it is a CLEAR variable-https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0002764209332546

4.What Percentage Of Mass Shootings Happen In ‘Gun Free Zones’? The Number Is Stunning. | The Daily Wire

98% of all mass-shootings happen in gun-free zones. IF America became a gun free-zone then imagine the crime waves. Mass shooters look for areas where guns are not allowed. They know that if they enter a non gun-free zone then they would be neutralised

5.Civilians stop mass shootings in non gun-free zones

Places where guns are allowed stop mass shootings from happening

Examples:Chicago, July 7, 2014: Denzel A. Mickiel cornered by fellow party-goer.
Rockledge, Florida, November 24, 2017: Robert Bailey stopped by armed co-workers.
Antioch, Tennessee, September 24, 2017: Emanuel Kidega Samson stopped by church usher.
Arlington, Texas, May 3, 2017: James Jones shot by bar patron.
Lyman, South Carolina, June 30, 2016: Jody Ray Thompson stopped after shooting three victims.

Conclusion

dont believe the gun grabbers and the MSM
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In 2019 mass shootings happened more than once per day

There have been 77 mass shootings so far in 2020 (81 days into the year)

Your link that the USA is only #4 doesn't work, are you talking instances or proportion killed/wounded to the total population ?


So you'd make "gun free" zones into a "total gun zone" and increase the number of guns that can cause a mass shooting ?

You're just spouting RW propaganda - if you had your way, everyone would be packing and it'd be the OK Corral every day
Even Tombstone, Arizona eventually had to make the city limits a "gun free" zone you know - I wonder why they did that ?
 
Rich2018 said:
In 2019 mass shootings happened more than once per day

There have been 77 mass shootings so far in 2020 (81 days into the year)

Your link that the USA is only #4 doesn't work, are you talking instances or proportion killed/wounded to the total population ?


So you'd make "gun free" zones into a "total gun zone" and increase the number of guns that can cause a mass shooting ?

You're just spouting RW propaganda - if you had your way, everyone would be packing and it'd be the OK Corral every day
Even Tombstone, Arizona eventually had to make the city limits a "gun free" zone you know - I wonder why they did that ?
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what is your definition of a "mass shooting"? They could be classified as homicides, a report in 2015 on school shootings included a suicide that took place in an abandoned school! whatever your saying and whatever your source is, it is false

The number of guns causing mass shootings is nothing to the number of guns that is saving lives. that is why we need guns. Gun control has and will never work EVER

I am not spouting propaganda, what I am saying is a total fact. The left is incapable of understanding these facts and why there are losing. gun grabbers are incapable of understanding any facts or any logic.
 
TypicalRussian said:
what is your definition of a "mass shooting"?
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It's not mine, it's that used by the FBI and Congress:

A mass shooting is defined as one where at least four people are shot (but not necessarily killed) by the shooter or shooters.
 
Rich2018 said:
It's not mine, it's that used by the FBI and Congress:

A mass shooting is defined as one where at least four people are shot (but not necessarily killed) by the shooter or shooters.
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I dont consider that a mass shooting, because every time the left goes on a gun control crusade,its after a large killing, thats a mass shooting
 
Mass murders have been traditionally defined as a single connected incident where 4 or more people were killed. Rich knows that. But Rich decides to use the anti-gun leftist description of 'mass shooting', NOT the FBI's definition. Specifically, THIS is the FBIs definition of a Mass Shooting "The United States' FBI defines a "mass murder" as "four or more murdered during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders." He even lies about a congressional definition. "The United States’ Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition and defines a "public mass shooting" as an event where someone selects four or more people and shoots them with firearms in an indiscriminate manner, echoing the FBI's definition of the term "mass murder", but adding the indiscriminate factor."

Here is a list of every mass murder since 1982.
As a Kid, She Petitioned Congress for the Right to Fly Fighter Planes. Now She’s Gunning for a Seat of Her Own. – Mother Jones you can see...there are a TOTAL of 118 mass murders in 37 years COMBINED. Thats not nearly dramatic enough for the anti-gun left, so they include gang drive bye shootings where there are 4 people wounded (regardless of how they receive the wounds). The biggest problem though with the anti0-gun lefts decision to include gang shootings is that it ****s on their Assault Rifle argument, because the vast VAST majority of ALL shootings involve handguns...not ARs. It also ****s on their arguments about licensing, registration, background checks, waiting periods, and everything else.
 
TypicalRussian said:
I dont consider that a mass shooting, because every time the left goes on a gun control crusade,its after a large killing, thats a mass shooting
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Define "large" in this context.


It's been estimated that just the financial cost of being shot and surviving is $250,000

So why do you exclude the victims of a mass shooting who survive ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Define "large" in this context.


It's been estimated that just the financial cost of being shot and surviving is $250,000

So why do you exclude the victims of a mass shooting who survive ?
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because why not
 
Rich2018 said:
In 2019 mass shootings happened more than once per day

There have been 77 mass shootings so far in 2020 (81 days into the year)

Your link that the USA is only #4 doesn't work, are you talking instances or proportion killed/wounded to the total population ?


So you'd make "gun free" zones into a "total gun zone" and increase the number of guns that can cause a mass shooting ?

You're just spouting RW propaganda - if you had your way, everyone would be packing and it'd be the OK Corral every day
Even Tombstone, Arizona eventually had to make the city limits a "gun free" zone you know - I wonder why they did that ?
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What portion of mass shootings were staged/false flags?
 
Rich2018 said:
OK, what is your figure and your supporting evidence ?
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A good number of the staged shootings during the last several years were staged events. Pulse, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Las Vegas are easy to remember there were probably more that I've forgotten.

Have you any thoughts on that, or do you simply gobble up whatever Scott Pelley and the rest tell you?
 
Thoreau72 said:
A good number of the staged shootings during the last several years were staged events. Pulse, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Las Vegas are easy to remember there were probably more that I've forgotten.

Have you any thoughts on that, or do you simply gobble up whatever Scott Pelley and the rest tell you?
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Wait, are you saying that those shootings were "staged"

If so, staged by who ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Wait, are you saying that those shootings were "staged"

If so, staged by who ?
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That is the $64000 question, but the known facts do not support the official narrative. The known facts contradict the official narrative, just like 911.

The best example, in a perverse way, was the San Bernardino shooting. On that day, Scott Pelley with CBS gets a lady on the phone, a lady who worked at the facility where it happened and saw part of it play out. He asks her what she saw, what happened there.

She observed several (3 I think) white males approaching the facility, clad in "military gear", and she thinks they are part of an exercise because that facility had been used for "active shooter" exercises several times before by SB police. She is observing from her office on the second floor, they are approaching on the ground level, outside. She observes them open the door to part of the facility and hears the shooting commence. She understood at that point that it was for real, not a training exercise, retreats to another office inside and locks the door and calls 911.

Scott has a puzzled look on his face and says "are you certain, because the authorities have told us it was a man and his wife."

Pelley is one of the many clowns who feed pablum to the gullible masses. No independent thinker he, no.
 
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Rich2018 said:
That the bulk of those injuries would be prevented if guns were banned.
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if guns were banned this country would be in the midst of a civil war
 
Thoreau72 said:
That is the $64000 question, but the known facts do not support the official narrative. The known facts contradict the official narrative, just like 911.

The best example, in a perverse way, was the San Bernardino shooting. On that day, Scott Pelley with CBS gets a lady on the phone, a lady who worked at the facility where it happened and saw part of it play out. He asks her what she saw, what happened there.

She observed several (3 I think) white males approaching the facility, clad in "military gear", and she thinks they are part of an exercise because that facility had been used for "active shooter" exercises several times before by SB police. She is observing from her office on the second floor, they are approaching on the ground level, outside. She observes them open the door to part of the facility and hears the shooting commence. She understood at that point that it was for real, not a training exercise, retreats to another office inside and locks the door and calls 911.

Scott has a puzzled look on his face and says "are you certain, because the authorities have told us it was a man and his wife."

Pelley is one of the many clowns who feed pablum to the gullible masses. No independent thinker he, no.
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You're in the wrong section

The Conspiracy Theory is next door ---->

You can discuss how Stanley Kubrick filmed the moon landings or how The Queen murdered princess Diana.

And why the Earth is flat.
 
Rich2018 said:
You're in the wrong section

The Conspiracy Theory is next door ---->

You can discuss how Stanley Kubrick filmed the moon landings or how The Queen murdered princess Diana.

And why the Earth is flat.
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LOL, I figured that would be your response sooner or later. :lol:
 
TypicalRussian said:
No it would not, more people would die
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Then please explain how the 70,000+ gun related injuries would stay the same if guns were banned

Then explain how a lack of guns not only sees the number of gun related injuries stay (at least) the same, but also results in them being more severe and/or results in a poorer level of medical care.
 
Rich2018 said:
Then please explain how the 70,000+ gun related injuries would stay the same if guns were banned

Then explain how a lack of guns not only sees the number of gun related injuries stay (at least) the same, but also results in them being more severe and/or results in a poorer level of medical care.
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Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. 1 Of these instances, 15.7% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they “almost certainly” saved their lives by doing so.

Fact: Even the government’s estimate, which has a major methodology problem, 2 estimates people defend themselves 235,700 times each year with guns. 3

Fact: The number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000. 4

Fact: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense. 5
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Gun Facts | Guns and Their Use in Crime Prevention

Criminals always commit crime, good people need to protect themselves
 
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