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If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

I'm just guessing that the Vegas shooter had a CCW, just like the Pulse Nightclub shooter probably had one, as probably did the Dallas shooter....


But after a quick Google search for "mass shooting, CCW holder, I got this right off the bat:


"On August 9, 2012, concealed handgun permit holder Ryan Clark Petersen allegedly shot and killed Cameron Eubanks, 20, Tiffany Grissett, 31, and Thomas Robins, Jr., 39, at Teasers, a nightclub located 12 miles west of Dothan, Alabama..."


Mass Shootings Committed By Concealed Carry Killers | VPC: Concealed Carry Killers
Ahh......the good 'ol Violence Policy Center with another one of their skewed articles. Here ya go....
Debunking the Myth of "Concealed-Carry Killers" | The Heritage Foundation
 
Ahh......the good 'ol Violence Policy Center with another one of their skewed articles. Here ya go....
Debunking the Myth of "Concealed-Carry Killers" | The Heritage Foundation

So what, I was showing you that CCW holders can be killer or even mass shooters.

It was never claimed that they make up the bulk of US mass shooters, just that they carry out many mass shootings:


"Concealed handgun permit holders are responsible for at least 1,335 deaths not involving self defense since 2007, according to research from the Violence Policy Center (VPC)..."


Concealed Carry Permit Holders Killed 1,335 Since 2007 | The Crime Report
 
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CCW's are for individual protection.

Not for fighting crime.
That is true. However if a let's say a rapist gets away with it once where if the person he raped was armed and shot him, he wouldn't go on to do it again and again. Same with most crime if the perp is stopped cold he/she won't go on to do it again.
 
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America has more guns per capita than any other country on earth, by far, yet is one of the most dangerous first world nations. Sprinkling more guns into a society doesn't magically make it safer, otherwise the US would have one if the lowest violent crime rates instead of one of the highest.
And then we have all of the anti gun people trying to turn gun owners into social pariahs. However violent criminals or the ones that shouldn't have them could care less about "social standing" and as a result less people carry and more of the ones you don't want are.
 
Scenario..... A new law is passed that any law abiding U.S. citizen who passes a comprehensive background check can get a CCW. Soon after, news reports say that millions of CCW licenses have been granted nationwide. Soon after that, many stories a day about people defending themselves against criminals using their CCW guns. Would crime start going down if the would be criminals started being afraid that they might be killed if they tried victimizing someone?

Crime would go up dramatically
 
America has more guns per capita than any other country on earth, by far, yet is one of the most dangerous first world nations. Sprinkling more guns into a society doesn't magically make it safer, otherwise the US would have one if the lowest violent crime rates instead of one of the highest.

For being the “most dangerous first world nation”, a lot of people from all over the world want to come here.
Where is the danger in the US? It’s the cities where crime is committed by Illegal guns.
 
Because people who would normally fight would shoot each other
I dont think so. In my scenario the CCW applicants are thoroughly vetted. Including a comprehensive background check, their bosses , family members, and neighbors interviewed and they have to pass a psych interview. There would also be 20 hours of training ing, both classroom and live fire scenarios where CCW applicants would be trained on the different situations where deadly force could or couldn't be used. The fact is that right now the total amount of CCW holders in the U.S. do NOT kill very many people instead of just "fighting". I've tried to explain that to another poster on this and other threads.
 
I dont think so. In my scenario the CCW applicants are thoroughly vetted. Including a comprehensive background check, their bosses , family members, and neighbors interviewed and they have to pass a psych interview. There would also be 20 hours of training ing, both classroom and live fire scenarios where CCW applicants would be trained on the different situations where deadly force could or couldn't be used. The fact is that right now the total amount of CCW holders in the U.S. do NOT kill very many people instead of just "fighting". I've tried to explain that to another poster on this and other threads.

Then few would do it. In fact if you tried to support that law on here you will be called a gun banner
 
I dont think so. In my scenario the CCW applicants are thoroughly vetted. Including a comprehensive background check, their bosses , family members, and neighbors interviewed and they have to pass a psych interview. There would also be 20 hours of training ing, both classroom and live fire scenarios where CCW applicants would be trained on the different situations where deadly force could or couldn't be used.

This is a perfect example of how to turn a right into a privilege.
 
Then few would do it. In fact if you tried to support that law on here you will be called a gun banner
What law? I dont believe I referenced or stated any law. Yes there would be regulations to get a CCW. And few would do what? Apply for a permit? There are very few states that have lax CCW policies. ( GA., AZ, AK included) The rest, my county in CA included, do stringent background checks to make sure you are not the type of idiot like you are describing.
 
What law? I dont believe I referenced or stated any law. Yes there would be regulations to get a CCW. And few would do what? Apply for a permit? There are very few states that have lax CCW policies. ( GA., AZ, AK included) The rest, my county in CA included, do stringent background checks to make sure you are not the type of idiot like you are describing.

Dude. If you supported those regulations (laws) to be done nationwide you will be called a bannerhoid and gun banner.
 
Then few would do it. In fact if you tried to support that law on here you will be called a gun banner
Yes in my original post I called it a law but I really meant a "policy" so to speak so forgive me.....
 
Yes in my original post I called it a law but I really meant a "policy" so to speak so forgive me.....

Make a thread and ask people on here what they think.


You'll see
 
Dude. If you supported those regulations (laws) to be done nationwide you will be called a bannerhoid and gun banner.
I don't think so look at the policies of many States right now like New Jersey New York Connecticut Rhode Island Massachusetts many of those East Coast States unless you are an ex LEO or a politician or somebody famous you cannot get a CC W. making a new nationwide policy that as long as you are a law abiding citizen and pass a background check that you can get a CCW that isn't infringing, that is making it easier, especially for those people who live in those States that right now can not get one. Nationwide "constitutional carry" will never happen
 
I don't think so look at the policies of many States right now like New Jersey New York Connecticut Rhode Island Massachusetts many of those East Coast States unless you are an ex LEO or a politician or somebody famous you cannot get a CC W. making a new nationwide policy that as long as you are a law abiding citizen and pass a background check that you can get a CCW that isn't infringing, that is making it easier, especially for those people who live in those States that right now can not get one. Nationwide "constitutional carry" will never happen

That's not what you proposed. You said training, bc and interview of neighbors and friends. That is much much more extensive than what you just said.


Pick a lane
 
Make a thread and ask people on here what they think.


You'll see
See my other post regarding that..... Nationwide constitutional carry will never happen but the ability to get a CCW IF you can pass a background check is better than nothing for some folks who are ****ed right now, like in New Jersey and New York.....
 
See my other post regarding that..... Nationwide constitutional carry will never happen but the ability to get a CCW IF you can pass a background check is better than nothing for some folks who are ****ed right now, like in New Jersey and New York.....

So you want more lax CCW laws.


That is not what you proposed


You are playing both sides of the fence
 
That's not what you proposed. You said training, bc and interview of neighbors and friends. That is much much more extensive than what you just said.


Pick a lane
The interviewing is part of the background check. Its what I had to go through in my county. I feel very lucky to even have a CCW because in many other CA counties they are pretty much "no issue"
 
The interviewing is part of the background check. Its what I had to go through in my county. I feel very lucky to even have a CCW because in many other CA counties they are pretty much "no issue"

I have no idea what your position is because you are all over the map
 
So you want more lax CCW laws.


That is not what you proposed


You are playing both sides of the fence
No I am not. I'm not advocating for lax laws I'm advocating for everybody in the country to be able to get a CCW if they can pass a background check, do you not understand? I'm saying there are States in this country that will not issue to anyone other than ex law- forcement or celebrities or politicians... that leaves many law abiding citizens out of luck if you understand now
 
No I am not. I'm not advocating for lax laws I'm advocating for everybody in the country to be able to get a CCW if they can pass a background check, do you not understand? I'm saying there are States in this country that will not issue to anyone other than ex law- forcement or celebrities or politicians... that leaves many law abiding citizens out of luck if you understand now

Should I have to get training to get a ccw?
 
I have no idea what your position is because you are all over the map
My position is that I want any law abiding citizen in the United States to matter what state they live in to be able to get a CCW to protect themselves as long as they can pass a background check proving that they are not a bad guy ,ie past felon or someone with a history of violence or drug abuse. All you have to do is look at my history of posts to see my position. I was merely stating a scenario. I am very pro 2nd amendment and am very pro CCW. But I also understand the reality that nationwide constitutional carry will never happen. The United States is not just Arizona or Georgia.
 
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