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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maidenrules29 View Post
    ...if YOU are in a supermarket in the checkout lane and some psychopath who wants to kill his ex girlfriend, who just so happens to be YOUR checkout girl starts yelling and screaming and waving his gun around and saying hes gonna kill her and everyone else, and then he starts firing, what are YOU going to do...
    Drop to the ground and take cover

    If I can, run for cover further away and again get on my belly

    Curse the 2nd amendment that allowed that psychopath to buy a gun


    ...what if you are directly in his line of fire and cant duck down or hide behind something?
    You can always "hit the deck"


    ...he will shoot you and you might die right? OR, If you have a CCW weapon and can pull it out while he is distracted while ranting and raving to his ex and waving his gun around threatening people you can get the jump on him and take him out....
    Well if the shooter is ranting and waving his gun about, I hope I have the presence of mind to use the opportunity to run like hell
    While the guy behind me, with the CCW, spends the time pulling out his Colt 45 and doing his John McLane act, turning the supermarket into the OK Coral and getting himself killed.


    Give up your Rambo fantasy and if you are unfortunate to find yourself in such an incident do the following and in this order:

    1. Run
    2. Hide
    3. Fight


    Remember the active shooter is always going to shoot first.

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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Drop to the ground and take cover

    If I can, run for cover further away and again get on my belly
    Great first steps and something everyone should do.
    Curse the 2nd amendment that allowed that psychopath to buy a gun
    I would be thankful we have a 2nd Amendment as a slide my gun from its holster hoping I don't nees to use it to protect myself or some defenseless citizen whose only protection is cursing the Constitution


    You can always "hit the deck"
    Always a good 1st choice.


    Well if the shooter is ranting and waving his gun about, I hope I have the presence of mind to use the opportunity to run like hell
    I hope everyone has this presence of mind.
    While the guy behind me, with the CCW, spends the time pulling out his Colt 45 and doing his John McLane act, turning the supermarket into the OK Coral and getting himself killed.
    Nice little piece of fantasy by as likely as the person with CCW uses it to stop the shooter story line.

    Give up your Rambo fantasy and if you are unfortunate to find yourself in such an incident do the following and in this order:

    1. Run
    2. Hide
    3. Fight


    Remember the active shooter is always going to shoot first.

    Again good advice everyone should follow. Too bad you also want to limit the ability of people to fight back if they must.

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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
    I would be thankful we have a 2nd Amendment...
    Not a common expression of the victims who survive a mass shooting or the relatives that don't

    I understand President Reagan changed his views on gun ownership following the attempt on his life in 1981


    Nice little piece of fantasy by as likely as the person with CCW uses it to stop the shooter story line.
    The John McLane option, with a dead bad guy and no dead hero, is the least likely outcome


    ...too bad you also want to limit the ability of people to fight back if they must.

    Removing that limit, arms the mass shooter at the same time


    When you can figure out the first without the second, come back and let us know.

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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Not a common expression of the victims who survive a mass shooting or the relatives that don't

    I understand President Reagan changed his views on gun ownership following the attempt on his life in 1981




    The John McLane option, with a dead bad guy and no dead hero, is the least likely outcome





    Removing that limit, arms the mass shooter at the same time


    When you can figure out the first without the second, come back and let us know.
    It isn't likely that I'll ever use any of the several fire extinguishers I have. Neither is it likely that I will need the spare tires that each of my vehicles and trailers are equipped with. Likewise, it probably isn't very likely where I will find myself in a dead bad guy/ live hero situation.

    But those situations do happen. See Bum's numerous posts for reference.

    Your oft proposed gun ban would just have the convenience store robbers armed shotguns. After perhaps decades of those types being armed just as they are now, by your own words. This is an improvement?
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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maidenrules29 View Post
    ...would you want just any schmo who knows nothing about handling a firearm or who may be a hot head ready to pull the trigger on anyone who crosses him to have a CCW to walk around with it all day?
    On the understanding that CCWs exist ?

    What is the point of a training course if passing is guaranteed.

    Probably one reason why US auto accident deaths exceed that of the UK is the the US driving test is a walk in the park compared to a British test.

    (or perhaps I should say a drive round a parking lot)

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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Drop to the ground and take cover

    If I can, run for cover further away and again get on my belly

    Curse the 2nd amendment that allowed that psychopath to buy a gun




    You can always "hit the deck"




    Well if the shooter is ranting and waving his gun about, I hope I have the presence of mind to use the opportunity to run like hell
    While the guy behind me, with the CCW, spends the time pulling out his Colt 45 and doing his John McLane act, turning the supermarket into the OK Coral and getting himself killed.


    Give up your Rambo fantasy and if you are unfortunate to find yourself in such an incident do the following and in this order:

    1. Run
    2. Hide
    3. Fight


    Remember the active shooter is always going to shoot first.
    You are missing the point of my scenario. The gunman is right there IN FRONT OF YOU. If you turn around and try to run he is going to SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK. In my scenario there is no place for you to hide, no physical barriers, you cant "hit the deck" Your only hope is that you have a CCW weapon and he averts his eyes long enough for you to draw your weapon and shoot him. If you have proper training, as I have, you can do that fast enough and discreetly enough that by the time he realizes you have made the motion, it's too late and you have him dead to rights. The motion of "running away" however, if the perp is right in front you, will attract much attention and then he might just shoot you in the back as you run away.

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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maidenrules29 View Post
    You are missing the point of my scenario. The gunman is right there IN FRONT OF YOU. If you turn around and try to run he is going to SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK. In my scenario there is no place for you to hide, no physical barriers, you cant "hit the deck" Your only hope is that you have a CCW weapon and he averts his eyes long enough for you to draw your weapon and shoot him. If you have proper training, as I have, you can do that fast enough and discreetly enough that by the time he realizes you have made the motion, it's too late and you have him dead to rights. The motion of "running away" however, if the perp is right in front you, will attract much attention and then he might just shoot you in the back as you run away.
    I think you're drawing too much on action movies.


    I think in the time it takes to put down what you're holding and draw a gun from a holster, a mass shooter will shoot you dead if he's clear minded and recognizes you as a threat

    If he's distracted and waving his gun around, I do think it's a better option to run and you'd get several feet away in the time it it would have taken you to engage him in a firefight. If the shooter can hit a man running away he probably is clear enough minded to kill you if you draw.


    I both cases, I think your best option is to run for cover as fast as you can.



    That's not the situation I see happening most of the time though. I think it most likely that the first idea you have of a threat is seeing a bullet hit you or someone close by and a disorientating loud bang.

    Again, I think your best option is to throw yourself down flat and look for something to hide behind.
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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    I think you're drawing too much on action movies.


    I think in the time it takes to put down what you're holding and draw a gun from a holster, a mass shooter will shoot you dead if he's clear minded and recognizes you as a threat

    If he's distracted and waving his gun around, I do think it's a better option to run and you'd get several feet away in the time it it would have taken you to engage him in a firefight. If the shooter can hit a man running away he probably is clear enough minded to kill you if you draw.


    I both cases, I think your best option is to run for cover as fast as you can.



    That's not the situation I see happening most of the time though. I think it most likely that the first idea you have of a threat is seeing a bullet hit you or someone close by and a disorientating loud bang.

    Again, I think your best option is to throw yourself down flat and look for something to hide behind.
    Of course anyone can introduce all the assumptions they like and make the scenario turn out however they wish.
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    Re: If CCW's were easier to get nationwide would crime go down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maidenrules29 View Post
    That's great but the entire country is not made up of States like Alabama Georgia or Arizona there are more blue States that frown upon CCW's. I would like people in those States to be able to have CCW's as long as they can pass a background check....
    They do, in fact in Georgia it's recommended that you get a CCW before buying a gun.


    If you have a CCW, your time in a gun shop is hugely reduced after deciding to buy a particular gun.

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