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Guns are not the problem

Rich2018 said:
The United States’ Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition and defines a "public mass shooting" as an event where someone selects four or more people and shoots them with firearms in an indiscriminate manner, echoing the FBI's definition of the term "mass murder", but adding the indiscriminate factor...."


Mass shooting - Wikipedia


You were saying something about your lies and how ****ing embarrassing ?




So a "mass murder" is 4 or more people murdered - not counting the murderer(s)

A "mass shooting" is 4 or more people shot (but not necessarily dying) - not counting the shooter(s).
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echoing the FBI's definition of the term "mass murder" which is "four or more murdered during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders." Based on this, it is generally agreed that a mass shooting is whenever four or more people are shot (injured or killed), not including the shooter (s)

Pathetic. Even your 'rebuttal' kicks your own ass.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo
echoing the FBI's definition of the term "mass murder" which is "four or more murdered during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders." Based on this, it is generally agreed that a mass shooting is whenever four or more people are shot (injured or killed), not including the shooter (s)

Pathetic. Even your 'rebuttal' kicks your own ass.
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Read what you just posted which agrees with the definition I've been posting - I bolded the important bits for you.
 
Rich2018 said:
Read what you just posted which agrees with the definition I've been posting - I bolded the important bits for you.
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:lamo

I read it...I POSTED it for you in the other thread...and you and the other anti-gun left have fabricated the mass shooting definition BASING IT OFF THE FBI definitions so you can claim there are HUNDREDS of mass shootings a year and not the 2-3 a year that have always been counted...up until the anti gun left wanted to redefine the terms.

And SINCE you now count HUNDREDS of mass shootings and not the school shootings and mass shootings that we have traditionally counted, you have literally **** on ALL of your anti-gun arguments. NOTHING you advocate for is relevant...and nothing you do will address the day to day gang violence that you suddenly pretend to care about. Now be honest...dont you feel at least a little bit stupid all this time you have been promoting gun control that address law abiding citizens and ignoring gang shootings?
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

I read it...I POSTED it for you in the other thread...and you and the other anti-gun left have fabricated the mass shooting definition BASING IT OFF THE FBI definitions so you can claim there are HUNDREDS of mass shootings a year and not the 2-3 a year that have always been counted...up until the anti gun left wanted to redefine the terms.

And SINCE you now count HUNDREDS of mass shootings and not the school shootings and mass shootings that we have traditionally counted, you have literally **** on ALL of your anti-gun arguments. NOTHING you advocate for is relevant...and nothing you do will address the day to day gang violence that you suddenly pretend to care about. Now be honest...dont you feel at least a little bit stupid all this time you have been promoting gun control that address law abiding citizens and ignoring gang shootings?
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So the definition of a mass shooting (not mass murder), as used by the FBI and Congress is:

4 or more people being shot (but not necessarily dying), not counting the shooter(s)


No-one needs to die for a shooting to be classified as a "mass shooting"
 
Rich2018 said:
So the definition of a mass shooting (not mass murder), as used by the FBI and Congress is:

4 or more people being shot (but not necessarily dying), not counting the shooter(s)


No-one needs to die for a shooting to be classified as a "mass shooting"
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No...the definition of mass shooting as used by the FBI is "four or more murdered during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders." Based on this, it is generally agreed that a mass shooting is whenever four or more people are shot (injured or killed), not including the shooter (s). Always has been. Idiot anti-gun leftists fabricated the mas shooting' definition to try to make th situation sound more dire. For example..You say 'mas shooting' ALWAYS implying Parkland or Sandy Hook. You NEVER say mass shooting...gang drive by...and thats why we have to do something about gang violence!

And in your rush to use a fabricated definition for your cause you **** on your credibility.

Tell me...why do you think its referred to as a "mass shooting" and not "yet another gang shooting"?
 
Rich2018 said:
The "right" to own firearms is just one right.

The right to be protected from illegal searches is protected.
1. an police visit is an inspection, not a search
2. it would be mandated by law, so it wouldn't be unlawful.
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Rich2018 said:
The "right" to own firearms is just one right.

The right to be protected from illegal searches is protected.
1. an police visit is an inspection, not a search
2. it would be mandated by law, so it wouldn't be unlawful.
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Labeling it diffrent doesn't change the fact it would be an illegal search under the current laws.
 
Rich2018 said:
There's a report today that the USA could become the world epicenter for the virus:

"The World Health Organization has warned the United States has the potential to become the new coronavirus epicenter following a 'very large acceleration' in infections.
Over the past 24 hours, 85 percent of new cases were from Europe and the United States, WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris told reporters on Tuesday. Of those, 40 percent were from the United States.
Italy currently has the highest number of coronavirus deaths in the world with more than 6,000, after abruptly overtaking China - where the outbreak began in late December and 3,281 people have died - late last week.
But the US is on pace to become the new leader after its death toll climbed to 628 on Tuesday, with more than 50,000 cases reported nationwide. "



US has potential to become the new coronavirus epicenter, WHO warns | Daily Mail Online
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The 2019-2020 flu season, charted | Advisory Board Daily Briefing flu
Between 38 million and 54 million people have been stricken with the flu as of March 14, according to the latest CDC data. flu
CDC in its latest report estimated that there had been at least 23,000 deaths related to the flu as of March 14.
And it seems to be hitting 'the children' hardest. Not downplaying Corona, but giving a perspective of it. The scary thing? Corona virus doesn't have a shot yet. Although the flu shot is kind of a crap shoot.
 
Novalis said:
There is also a very liberal weapons law in Switzerland. Nevertheless, Switzerland is a very safe country, with few murders and crimes committed with firearms.

The misuse of firearms in the USA is more a problem of the mentality of certain population groups in the USA. :wink3:
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I believe some of the Swiss military keep their weapons for military service at home, about 2,000. There is about 2 million privately owned guns which include semi automatic and automic in the country. T.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Constitutional rights.
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There are several rights listed in the Constitution

Which ones are you specifically referring to ?


You asked how many people would want police in their homes inspecting weapons storage
I replied about the same number that wants to be pulled over for speeding


You said that was the operation of a "dangerous machine"
Well safe stowage of firearms is the operation of dangerous machines.
 
zsu2357 said:
The one you want enforced out of existence, aka Second Amendment.
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No, I want the 2nd amendment repealed.

And then a law to ban all guns*

*Caveat for RF's sake and pedants like him
Allow the national executive to make exceptions.
 
zsu2357 said:
The 2019-2020 flu season, charted | Advisory Board Daily Briefing flu
Between 38 million and 54 million people have been stricken with the flu as of March 14, according to the latest CDC data. flu
CDC in its latest report estimated that there had been at least 23,000 deaths related to the flu as of March 14.
And it seems to be hitting 'the children' hardest. Not downplaying Corona, but giving a perspective of it. The scary thing? Corona virus doesn't have a shot yet. Although the flu shot is kind of a crap shoot.
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Yet can you explain why sporting events have been postponed or cancelled like the Olympics.

Was it because of flu ?
 
Rich2018 said:
No, I want the 2nd amendment repealed.

And then a law to ban all guns*

*Caveat for RF's sake and pedants like him
Allow the national executive to make exceptions.
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you have never provided a rational argument for that

nor have you ever admitted the amount of social upheaval that would cause-even if you were able to accomplish it.
 
VanceMack said:
No...the definition of mass shooting as used by the FBI is "four or more murdered during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders."
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No, that's the FBI's definition of a "mass murder"

Look up their definition of a "mass shooting" and post a link to it.


"Tell me...why do you think its referred to as a "mass shooting" and not "yet another gang shooting"?
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Presumably because a "mass shooting" meets the definition.
 
TurtleDude said:
you have never provided a rational argument for that

nor have you ever admitted the amount of social upheaval that would cause-even if you were able to accomplish it.
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Yes I have.


Without guns* there can be little mass shootings....gun deaths and injuries would also go down

*Caveat: I've always maintained that you will never ERADICATE guns from US society but you'd make a hugely significant reduction.

Yes it will takes years
Yes the "law abiding" will lose their guns first
Yes it means "punishing" the law abiding for crimes they didn't commit nor will ever commit.
 
Rich2018 said:
There are several rights listed in the Constitution

Which ones are you specifically referring to ?
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all of them. When I say my precious rights I'm referring to every single one of them that I have guaranteed by the Constitution or the supreme law.

You asked how many people would want police in their homes inspecting weapons storage
I replied about the same number that wants to be pulled over for speeding
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but you have the 4th amendment right that protects you from the latter. How many people will want to give up that right?

You said that was the operation of a "dangerous machine"
Well safe stowage of firearms is the operation of dangerous machines.
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There is no law requiring us to lock our cars in a safe. I actually just to leave mine out in the street.

Should I be able to leave my guns laying around in the street?

The laws regulating vehicles are much more relaxed. I can just leave it out in the open when I go to a store. I can start it up and drive it in the middle of a busy Street I can't do any of those things with a gun.

If you're suggesting I should be allowed to then I think your views on guns are pretty primitive.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Constitution.
1 U.S.C. 106b
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What ?


1 U.S.C. 106b
"Whenever official notice is received at the National Archives and Records Administration that any amendment proposed to the Constitution of the United States has been adopted, according to the provisions of the Constitution, the Archivist of the United States shall forthwith cause the amendment to be published, with his certificate, specifying the States by which the same may have been adopted, and that the same has become valid, to all intents and purposes, as a part of the Constitution of the United States."


So explain how that answers the question:

"You say such a law is impossible for Congress to pass ?

Where's your evidence of that ?"
 
CLAX1911 said:
all of them. When I say my precious rights I'm referring to every single one of them that I have guaranteed by the Constitution or the supreme law.
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So if you were no longer granted to right to vote it would threaten to right to be protected from unreasonable searches?
It would threaten your right to silence ?
It would threaten your right to vote ?

Total RW fantasy hysteria


...but you have the 4th amendment right that protects you from the latter. How many people will want to give up that right?
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No-one, which is why it's not threatened.

(though the Patriot Act allowed search without warrant and conservatives seemed happy enough with that - I don't see you howling with rage that that act allowed searches of private property without a warrant)


There is no law requiring us to lock our cars in a safe. I actually just to leave mine out in the street.
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So what ?


Should I be able to leave my guns laying around in the street?
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No

And you shouldn't be allowed to leave them overnight in a car either....or for any unreasonable length of time



The laws regulating vehicles are much more relaxed. I can just leave it out in the open when I go to a store. I can start it up and drive it in the middle of a busy Street I can't do any of those things with a gun.
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Yes


If you're suggesting I should be allowed to then I think your views on guns are pretty primitive.
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You should be allowed to park your vehicle anywhere and for any length of time that it is legal to do so.
 
Rich2018 said:
Because mass shootings in the UK and Australia saw gun legislation in both countries

"Only" 74 deaths
Only in America is that dismissed as negligible.
A mass shooting is defined by the US Congress and the FBI as a shooting where at least 4 people are shot by the shooter(s) but don't necessarily die.

There have been 56 mass shootings, in the USA Jan and Feb with 75 dead and 203 wounded
A total of 77 mass shootings YTD


List of mass shootings in the United States in 2020 - Wikipedia


Is that not worthy of some focus ?
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It is worthy of focus. The problem is the media skews the coverage and sensationalizes the shootings where the victims are school kids or people at a restaurant/club etc, because those are seen as more "tragic" Arent all shootings tragic? Isn't it tragic that inner city kids with bad parents and no hope turn to gangs? Many mass shootings are gang shootings but those dont get covered. The media doesn't care about the ghetto until it's time to push the democratic narrative.
 
Maidenrules29 said:
It is worthy of focus. The problem is the media skews the coverage and sensationalizes the shootings where the victims are school kids or people at a restaurant/club etc, because those are seen as more "tragic" Arent all shootings tragic? Isn't it tragic that inner city kids with bad parents and no hope turn to gangs? Many mass shootings are gang shootings but those dont get covered. The media doesn't care about the ghetto until it's time to push the democratic narrative.
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I agree with you.

Trouble is that too many on the right are so quick to dismiss the 10,000 approx gun related homicides, saying many are criminals shooting other criminals.

The US media sells fear. It always looks for the most sensationalist story of the day to lead with, so if there's been a fatal shooting, it will ALWAYS be the lead story (unless there's an even bigger one to report).
 
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