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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    You say such a law is impossible for Congress to pass ?

    Where's your evidence of that ?
    Constitution.
    1 U.S.C. 106b
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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Constitution.
    1 U.S.C. 106b
    What ?


    1 U.S.C. 106b
    "Whenever official notice is received at the National Archives and Records Administration that any amendment proposed to the Constitution of the United States has been adopted, according to the provisions of the Constitution, the Archivist of the United States shall forthwith cause the amendment to be published, with his certificate, specifying the States by which the same may have been adopted, and that the same has become valid, to all intents and purposes, as a part of the Constitution of the United States."


    So explain how that answers the question:

    "You say such a law is impossible for Congress to pass ?

    Where's your evidence of that ?
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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    all of them. When I say my precious rights I'm referring to every single one of them that I have guaranteed by the Constitution or the supreme law.
    So if you were no longer granted to right to vote it would threaten to right to be protected from unreasonable searches?
    It would threaten your right to silence ?
    It would threaten your right to vote ?

    Total RW fantasy hysteria


    ...but you have the 4th amendment right that protects you from the latter. How many people will want to give up that right?
    No-one, which is why it's not threatened.

    (though the Patriot Act allowed search without warrant and conservatives seemed happy enough with that - I don't see you howling with rage that that act allowed searches of private property without a warrant)


    There is no law requiring us to lock our cars in a safe. I actually just to leave mine out in the street.
    So what ?


    Should I be able to leave my guns laying around in the street?
    No

    And you shouldn't be allowed to leave them overnight in a car either....or for any unreasonable length of time



    The laws regulating vehicles are much more relaxed. I can just leave it out in the open when I go to a store. I can start it up and drive it in the middle of a busy Street I can't do any of those things with a gun.
    Yes


    If you're suggesting I should be allowed to then I think your views on guns are pretty primitive.

    You should be allowed to park your vehicle anywhere and for any length of time that it is legal to do so.

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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Because mass shootings in the UK and Australia saw gun legislation in both countries

    "Only" 74 deaths
    Only in America is that dismissed as negligible.
    A mass shooting is defined by the US Congress and the FBI as a shooting where at least 4 people are shot by the shooter(s) but don't necessarily die.

    There have been 56 mass shootings, in the USA Jan and Feb with 75 dead and 203 wounded
    A total of 77 mass shootings YTD


    List of mass shootings in the United States in 2020 - Wikipedia


    Is that not worthy of some focus ?
    It is worthy of focus. The problem is the media skews the coverage and sensationalizes the shootings where the victims are school kids or people at a restaurant/club etc, because those are seen as more "tragic" Arent all shootings tragic? Isn't it tragic that inner city kids with bad parents and no hope turn to gangs? Many mass shootings are gang shootings but those dont get covered. The media doesn't care about the ghetto until it's time to push the democratic narrative.

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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Maidenrules29 View Post
    It is worthy of focus. The problem is the media skews the coverage and sensationalizes the shootings where the victims are school kids or people at a restaurant/club etc, because those are seen as more "tragic" Arent all shootings tragic? Isn't it tragic that inner city kids with bad parents and no hope turn to gangs? Many mass shootings are gang shootings but those dont get covered. The media doesn't care about the ghetto until it's time to push the democratic narrative.
    I agree with you.

    Trouble is that too many on the right are so quick to dismiss the 10,000 approx gun related homicides, saying many are criminals shooting other criminals.

    The US media sells fear. It always looks for the most sensationalist story of the day to lead with, so if there's been a fatal shooting, it will ALWAYS be the lead story (unless there's an even bigger one to report).

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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Novalis View Post
    But if suicidal people in Germany throw themselves in front of a train because weapons are banned, that is the worse option.

    The rapid-transit railway lines are then closed for hours to collect the intestines. This is an imposition for hundreds or thousands of travellers.
    Yesterday a finance minister of a German state threw himself in front of a train. This is a high political position in Germany. At first they were unable to identify the body. The train crushed the body. As I noted, the lack of firearms. Always picking up intestines... Thousands of passengers are delayed.

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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    They do




    Prove it




    I don't and I don't





    What's the biggest difference between Swiss citizens and people who generally commit mass shootings ?

    Answer: wealth

    The correlation with crime is wealth.


    Nothing to do with guns - they just increase the severity of the results.

    I've heard it said that if you increased the speed limit on highways by 20-30mph, you probably won't suffer significantly more accidents but what accidents you did suffer, would have worse consequences.
    I think the same is true of guns and society.
    The Swiss are down-to-earth and mentally healthy. I would say that a certain harmony between the people, and tradition with weapons, ensures that the Swiss handle weapons sensibly.

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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Guns are heavily restricted in switzerland
    Swiss weapons legislation is considered one of the most liberal in the world, as the possession and acquisition of weapons and ammunition is in principle permitted to any citizen of good repute, unless the law contains specific provisions to this effect.
    Source: Wikipedia (german)

    Respected citizen = no Albanian blood revenger (see blood revenge Albania) for example.

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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Novalis View Post
    Source: Wikipedia (german)

    Respected citizen = no Albanian blood revenger (see blood revenge Albania) for example.
    CCW is almost impossible to get and the rules required to own a gun would be considered massive compared to most of the US

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    Re: Guns are not the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Novalis View Post
    There is also a very liberal weapons law in Switzerland. Nevertheless, Switzerland is a very safe country, with few murders and crimes committed with firearms.

    The misuse of firearms in the USA is more a problem of the mentality of certain population groups in the USA.

    like husbands, boyfriends and exes in South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Florida and New Jersey?






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