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Police: Bystander with gun broke up Walmart bat attack

Bum said:
Police: Bystander with gun broke up Walmart bat attack
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Police: Man struck by lightening.
They say this happens more often than someone being stopped from a baseball bat attack by a bystander using a gun at Walmart.
 
CaughtInThe said:
feel free to ask all you want.

you want some more right now?
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Your inability to answer a simple question is noted.

You go through the trouble of extracting a photo and typing a description of what happened rather than simply providing a link. Looks like you are hiding something.
 
noonereal said:
Police: Man struck by lightening.
They say this happens more often than someone being stopped from a baseball bat attack by a bystander using a gun at Walmart.
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I'm sure the man being beaten with the bat does not care, and neither do I.
 
Fledermaus said:
Your inability to answer a simple question is noted.

You go through the trouble of extracting a photo and typing a description of what happened rather than simply providing a link. Looks like you are hiding something.
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dude. i provided the link above.

wow.
 
Fledermaus said:
AFTER I asked for it. AFTER.

As in AFTER.

Not in Post #44. Not in Post #23.

Not in other posts in other threads.

You go through the trouble of extracting a photo and typing a description of what happened rather than simply providing a link. Looks like you are hiding something.
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yeah. you asked and i provided.


just remember in the future that i don't post fake pics or stories. it will save you some embarrassment.
 
Lursa said:
...good people use firearms to protect themselves, their familes, and others. This happens regularly...why shouldnt they be brought to light?
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You mean they claim to

Whereas the 60% of US households without a gun seem to do the same without a gun.

One thing we can be sure of guns allow "bad" people to do "bad" things.


So if we don't want these "bad" things to happen do we arrest te "bad" people afterwards

Or

Not let them have the tools to begin with


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Gun control is prevention.
 
Rich2018 said:
You mean they claim to

Whereas the 60% of US households without a gun seem to do the same without a gun.
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Lucky I guess. I prefer to take responsibility for myself and family, not just hope and pray.

And firearms are prevention...if you dont have to fire...and cure if you do.

Only the stupid would take the tools from the good people while knowing the bad would still have them.
 
Lursa said:
Lucky I guess. I prefer to take responsibility for myself and family, not just hope and pray.
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What do you think gun control is, if not taking responsibility ?


And firearms are prevention...if you dont have to fire...and cure if you do.
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A firefight is neither prevention or cure...it's like sex to prevent or cure unwanted pregnancies.


Prevention is preventing the "bad" guys getting a gun


Once you've been shot at and you return fire, the crime has already happened.
In the best case scenario like a mob breaking down your front door, you can only ever lessen the effects of the crime


Only the stupid would take the tools from the good people while knowing the bad would still have them.
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That's why gun control seeks to take guns off the "bad" guys and sever their supply for replacements.
 
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Rich2018 said:
What do you think gun control is, if not taking responsibility ?
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It's attempting to force responsibility on others and puts them in danger.
 
Rich2018 said:
Prevention is preventing the "bad" guys getting a gun

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And that's impossible. So I prefer to live in the land of reality (and where I can own guns)

I dont dwell on the impossible merely for purposes of discussion...it's useless. If you want to discuss 'the impossible' why not discuss mining for green cheese on the moon?
 
Rich2018 said:
A firefight is neither prevention or cure...it's like sex to prevent or cure unwanted pregnancies.
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In your scenario, both winners and losers would disagree with you.

As do I.

And your analogy fails.
 
Lursa said:
It's attempting to force responsibility on others and puts them in danger.
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People need to take responsibility to obey the law, would you not agree ?

Gun control forces gun manufacturers to act responsibly


Gun control forces people to act without guns, if they want to embark on criminal behavior



And that's impossible. So I prefer to live in the land of reality (and where I can own guns)
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Gun control can never or will never eradicate guns in American society, that is impossible yes

But the experience of other countries is that criminals attacking you will do so, almost invariably, without guns

So the idea that you need guns to protect yourself is both a fallacy and a lie you tell yourself to keep your polished lumps of plastic and metal


In your scenario, both winners and losers would disagree with you.

As do I.

And your analogy fails.
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Explain

Putting a fire out with an extinguisher is not fire prevention

Similarly engaging in a fire fight is not preventing crime.
 
Rich2018 said:
People need to take responsibility to obey the law, would you not agree ?

Gun control forces gun manufacturers to act responsibly


Gun control forces people to act without guns, if they want to embark on criminal behavior





Gun control can never or will never eradicate guns in American society, that is impossible yes

But the experience of other countries is that criminals attacking you will do so, almost invariably, without guns

So the idea that you need guns to protect yourself is both a fallacy and a lie you tell yourself to keep your polished lumps of plastic and metal




Explain

Putting a fire out with an extinguisher is not fire prevention

Similarly engaging in a fire fight is not preventing crime.
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First group? Ah, nope. Laws dont 'force' responsiblity on anyone. Nor the opposite.

Second group? My answer didnt change...impossible solutions that endanger the law abiding? Stupid and useless.

Third: No one has that expectation. People who own guns do have a pro-active interest in protection.
 
Lursa said:
First group? Ah, nope. Laws dont 'force' responsiblity on anyone. Nor the opposite.
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There's a law that says you have to file your taxes by April 15, do you accept that's YOUR responsibility ?


Second group? My answer didnt change...impossible solutions that endanger the law abiding? Stupid and useless.
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What is your evidence that it is "impossible" ?


Third: No one has that expectation. People who own guns do have a pro-active interest in protection.
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No-one has an expectation of zero crime following a gun ban

People in favor of gun control do have an expectation of preventing shootings....particularly mass shootings.
 
Rich2018 said:
There's a law that says you have to file your taxes by April 15, do you accept that's YOUR responsibility ?


What is your evidence that it is "impossible" ?


No-one has an expectation of zero crime following a gun ban

People in favor of gun control do have an expectation of preventing shootings....particularly mass shootings.
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Nope, as a task I have to do to avoid consequences.

Except that that is what you keep advocating for and the attempt to even do so would skew the higher ratio of guns severely in the criminals hands, endangering ALL people more, both anti-gun and pro-gun.

Oh, if you were describing ONLY people in favor of more gun CONTROL? I guess it's possible they would think something so backwards then.
 
Lursa said:
Nope, as a task I have to do to avoid consequences.
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And if you don't do it, who finds themselves responsible and in court ?

If you don't have responsibility to file your taxes, who does ?


The lamest excuse for an answer you've come up with yet
So a task you have to do, somehow is not a responsibility


:lamo


Just out of interest, in your own mind, is defending your home against a burglar a task you have to do if you want to avoid consequences ?


...the attempt to even do so would skew the higher ratio of guns severely in the criminals hands, endangering ALL people more, both anti-gun and pro-gun.
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Where is your evidence for endangerment ?


Oh, if you were describing ONLY people in favor of more gun CONTROL? I guess it's possible they would think something so backwards then.
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Why would it be backwards ?

A gun ban = less guns
Less guns = less shootings, particularly mass shootings
QED.
 
Rich2018 said:
And if you don't do it, who finds themselves responsible and in court ?

If you don't have responsibility to file your taxes, who does ?


The lamest excuse for an answer you've come up with yet
So a task you have to do, somehow is not a responsibility


:lamo


Just out of interest, in your own mind, is defending your home against a burglar a task you have to do if you want to avoid consequences ?




Where is your evidence for endangerment ?





Why would it be backwards ?

A gun ban = less guns
Less guns = less shootings, particularly mass shootings
QED.
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You had to move the goal posts on each of those.

how lame. No point in continuing...you'll just continue the dishonesty trying to twist things into your view...which is a fail from the git-go.
 
Lursa said:
You had to move the goal posts on each of those.
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Goalposts ?

Do you now accept that the state deems it YOUR responsibility to file your taxes ?

You were attempting to wriggle out of it by saying it's just something you have do do, which is the lamest attempt to wriggle out of the question seen on this forum.



how lame. No point in continuing...you'll just continue the dishonesty...
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"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers" - Socrates


It's amazing how often debaters will bow out gracelessly when what they have for an argument is picked apart.

At the same time insulting the other poster, their argument and making claims of "dishonesty".

It seems a lack of good grace in accepting defeat (along with a valid argument) is sadly an attribute you unfortunately share with debaters of questionable integrity.
 
TomFitz said:
That is the very theme of the OP.

It’s the “good guy with a gun” claim. Of course, this assumes that the rest of us automatically trust (or should trust) the stranger who is brandishing a gun.
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So in your opinion, are there no good guys with guns? I completely understand the arguments against guns. You may choose not to own one or carry one ( legally ) for self defense. Some of us do. Put yourself in that situation with the baseball bat attack. Sometimes it isn't as easy as just giving the perpetrator what he wants and he will magically just leave you alone. I dont know the complete statistics on how many victims of violent crime there are each year, but I assume it runs in the hundreds of thousands. If you dont believe in law abiding citizens carrying guns to defend themselves against criminals who will always have their illegally procured guns, then what is your solution to innocent people defending themselves against violent crime, especially when we know police response times are long? I'm not arguing for everyone to carry guns. Even amongst the law abiding there are plenty of people who have no business owning a weapon due to various reasons. I just hate reading the news and seeing every day that people are getting beaten stabbed murdered raped and I wish that there was something that they could have done to defend themselves.
 
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