Comparing Peer Countries

[Rich2018]

When looking at gun crime in general in the USA it's often said we could compare with other countries - specifically "peer countries".

ie: similar or comparable countries


What countries do you think the USA could be compared to? What would be a "peer country"?


One debater on here stated absolutely that the UK could not be considered a "peer country" but perhaps Brazil might be as it is in the same hemisphere as the USA.


What do you think, should the USA be compared to countries like Brazil or countries like Australia and the UK - even though they are in DIFFERENT hemispheres ?


Here was one comparison I found on-line that does indeed list Australia and the UK as "peer countries" while Brazil, for some reason, doesn't feature:-


U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility | Economic Policy Institute

 

[Slavister]

When it comes to guns, I imagine countries with similar culture and values would fit the bill. Western developed world, Canada, Australia.

 

[Irredentist]

When it comes to guns, I imagine countries with similar culture and values would fit the bill. Western developed world, Canada, Australia.

Bit of a difficult standard to use, seeing as how different parts of the United States often have very different cultural values.

 

[PirateMk1]

When looking at gun crime in general in the USA it's often said we could compare with other countries - specifically "peer countries".

ie: similar or comparable countries


What countries do you think the USA could be compared to? What would be a "peer country"?


One debater on here stated absolutely that the UK could not be considered a "peer country" but perhaps Brazil might be as it is in the same hemisphere as the USA.


What do you think, should the USA be compared to countries like Brazil or countries like Australia and the UK - even though they are in DIFFERENT hemispheres ?


Here was one comparison I found on-line that does indeed list Australia and the UK as "peer countries" while Brazil, for some reason, doesn't feature:-


U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility | Economic Policy Institute

We dont really have a peer per say. Nobody really quite tracks with US especially when it comes to guns. We are quite unique in this regard.

 

[Irredentist]

When looking at gun crime in general in the USA it's often said we could compare with other countries - specifically "peer countries".

ie: similar or comparable countries


What countries do you think the USA could be compared to? What would be a "peer country"?


One debater on here stated absolutely that the UK could not be considered a "peer country" but perhaps Brazil might be as it is in the same hemisphere as the USA.


What do you think, should the USA be compared to countries like Brazil or countries like Australia and the UK - even though they are in DIFFERENT hemispheres ?


Here was one comparison I found on-line that does indeed list Australia and the UK as "peer countries" while Brazil, for some reason, doesn't feature:-


U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility | Economic Policy Institute

The level of economic development and poverty are the criteria I would use.

 

[Slavister]

Bit of a difficult standard to use, seeing as how different parts of the United States often have very different cultural values.

Meh - those differences are not essential as far as impact of gun availability on crimes. Within most countries you can observe same kinds of differences in different country regions, cities, neighborhoods, etc.

 

[swing_voter]

We have no peers.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Peer review nations on this subject is always a mistake.

Our governance is not all the same, nor are is the wording and reasoning for our recognition of rights, nor where we are in national sovereignty vs. appeal to larger governmental organizations debate, nor where we view ourselves in the independent to community ideologies, nor our political divisions and motivations for them, nor do we all have the same position in the world in terms of economic makeup, social climate, political interests, etc. on that world stage.

It is no longer valid to say what works in Australia will work equally in the US apples to apples... or the UK, or wherever else just because you find certain similarities.

All of that is besides the base point of economic motivation and impact.

We know... not assume, know with all evidence supporting... that in this nation especially the moment legislation tries to reduce demand with restriction all we do is kick-start the next evolution of criminal enterprise to fulfill that demand. Prohibition, war on drugs, attitudes on prostitution or gambling, war on whatever else... if there is economic demand for a product or service, someone will step in to handle that with supply even if there is more risk in doing so.

We are not the incarceration capital of the planet for no reason.

Suggesting we can become Australia just for the one subject of gun control is asinine, and rooted entirely in political motivation absent any of the lessons that history (or economics) teaches us.

Most, if not all, social faults are corrected with education.

Peer reviewing the US to some other nation as a catalyst to the gun control debate is just doing what Reagan did in the 1980's, all that happens is granting the nation to look at certain people differently and have them see disproportional results out of our justice system devoid of any sense of fairness, practicality, or sustainability.

The debate is over, we are never going to become Canada or Australia. And even if we inch that direction those nations are also evolving on their own path to some other conclusion.

 

[Rich2018]

When it comes to guns, I imagine countries with similar culture and values would fit the bill. Western developed world, Canada, Australia.

So you wouldn't include Brazil because it's in the same hemisphere ?

 

[Rich2018]

We dont really have a peer per say. Nobody really quite tracks with US especially when it comes to guns. We are quite unique in this regard.

Canada ?


You wouldn't say the people in the UK share a similar culture ?

 

[Rich2018]

We have no peers.

U.S. poverty rates higher, safety net weaker than in peer countries | Economic Policy Institute


OECD Interactive Tool: International Comparisons — Peer countries, Manitoba | CIHI

Peer countries
"Canada’s health systems are often compared with those in Australia, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States. Like Canada, these peer countries have large developed economies with similar levels of resources to devote to health care. They also have comparable data collection methods."

 

[PirateMk1]

Canada ?


You wouldn't say the people in the UK share a similar culture ?

Neither. Canada and the UK can be compared they are similar in many regards including guns. I know of no other country were arms are enshrined in their constitution and defended as vociferously. Our culture has morphed in certain ways from the need to defend those enshrined rights from encroachment.

 

[Rich2018]

Neither. Canada and the UK can be compared they are similar in many regards including guns. I know of no other country were arms are enshrined in their constitution and defended as vociferously. Our culture has morphed in certain ways from the need to defend those enshrined rights from encroachment.

So would you call Canada and the UK "peer countries" to the USA ?

Would you classify Brazil as a "peer country" by virtue of its location in the same hemisphere ?

 

[PirateMk1]

So would you call Canada and the UK "peer countries" to the USA ?

Would you classify Brazil as a "peer country" by virtue of its location in the same hemisphere ?

Too both questions, no. I have already said this twice.

 

[Rich2018]

Too both questions, no. I have already said this twice.

Then in your mind, the USA has no "peer countries" ?

 

[PirateMk1]

Then in your mind, the USA has no "peer countries" ?

Correct, for the comparison we were discussing, guns and gun culture. I would say in fact it is difficult to compare and contrast America with others, we are very different, in many ways on many things besides guns. Comparisons must be made very narrowly and even then many times its not very accurate or instructive.

 

[Rich2018]

Correct, for the comparison we were discussing, guns and gun culture. I would say in fact it is difficult to compare and contrast America with others, we are very different, in many ways on many things besides guns. Comparisons must be made very narrowly and even then many times its not very accurate or instructive.

The USA has no peer countries - interesting.

Reminds you of the attitude of the Nazis:-

"Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles,
Uber alles in der Welt..."

 

[Jean-s]

The USA has no peer countries - interesting.

Reminds you of the attitude of the Nazis:-

"Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles,
Uber alles in der Welt..."

Conservatives are embarrassed by the statistic which shows Americans being so obsessed with loving guns when compared to citizens of the European Union and other democracies where citizens enjoy freedom. Consequently, they rubbish the contrast with a declaration of American exceptionalism, placing the USA in a class by itself.

 

[PirateMk1]

The USA has no peer countries - interesting.

Reminds you of the attitude of the Nazis:-

"Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles,
Uber alles in der Welt..."

Goodwin already? :roll:

How would you try to compare the US gun situation to another countries? You cant really. Not with any accuracy anyhow.

 

[PirateMk1]

Conservatives are embarrassed by the statistic which shows Americans being so obsessed with loving guns when compared to citizens of the European Union and other democracies where citizens enjoy freedom. Consequently, they rubbish the contrast with a declaration of American exceptionalism, placing the USA in a class by itself.

Why are gun owning conservatives, or for that matter Americans of any stripe, be embarrassed about liking their firearms. Its one of many reasons they bought them. I own firearms, lots. I am not embarrassed. I love engineering and making, custom one off unique firearms. Lethal art I call it. Same as a well made blade or even stick. I am chauvinist, in my views toward my country, I fully admit that. I see no reason I shouldn't be.

 

[Rich2018]

How would you try to compare the US gun situation to another countries? You cant really. Not with any accuracy anyhow.

By examining the experiences of other "peer countries" following their gun control legislation.

 

[Jean-s]

Why are gun owning conservatives, or for that matter Americans of any stripe, be embarrassed about liking their firearms. Its one of many reasons they bought them. I own firearms, lots. I am not embarrassed. I love engineering and making, custom one off unique firearms. Lethal art I call it. Same as a well made blade or even stick. I am chauvinist, in my views toward my country, I fully admit that. I see no reason I shouldn't be.

There are many like yourself in America. It is an outlook which is rejected in modern free democracies but shared by death squads in Brazil, the Philippines, and some Third World countries ruled by warlords.

 

[Rich2018]

Why are gun owning conservatives, or for that matter Americans of any stripe, be embarrassed about liking their firearms....

Liking them is akin to liking big muscle cars, ten gallon hats, V8 engines and MAGA caps

Difference is guns are used to kill people.

 

[PirateMk1]

There are many like yourself in America. It is an outlook which is rejected in modern free democracies but shared by death squads in Brazil, the Philippines, and some Third World countries ruled by warlords.

Thats your opinion. I dont much cotton to the opinions of so called modern free democracies. I find they dont much like freedom no matter how much they protest otherwise.

 

[PirateMk1]

Liking them is akin to liking big muscle cars, ten gallon hats, V8 engines and MAGA caps

Difference is guns are used to kill people.

And? Some people need killin. Its good to have a tool or two around to do the job properly.