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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Maidenrules29 View Post
    I totally agree.

    No other country has the 2nd
    amendment.
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    That's like saying no-one else in the USA has a pair of pants like yours, so if you're ever tried for murder, you have no peers to make up a jury with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    That's like saying no-one else in the USA has a pair of pants like yours, so if you're ever tried for murder, you have no peers to make up a jury with.
    You are comparing apples and oranges sir. Dont be disingenuous you are smarter than that. You know that no other country has the right to bear arms OR gives its citizens so much power to defend themselves. There is no comparison period.

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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    No, it's you who miss the point
    I didn't say they are or that they don't respectively





    No it doesn't
    Only inconsistent data recording or unreliable data collection would do this
    You have no clue about statistics do you ?

    Have you any experience in math/statistics beyond high school ?




    Yes absolutely Sweden is
    Absolutely Norway and France are too:


    "U.S. poverty rates higher, safety net weaker than in peer countries..."


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    U.S. poverty rates higher, safety net weaker than in peer countries | Economic Policy Institute


    Notice the presence of Norway, Sweden and France ?

    Now who's "kidding". What do you have as a list of "peer countries" - other than your own, highly parochial, opinion ?





    See the above list.

    If you dispute the above list, give your own list of "peer" countries...or admit your criteria for one is a private matter between you and yourself.
    A good comparison for Sweden might be ONE US state. We have states bigger than Sweden. Same for France. Same for Norway. Comparing one small country to a giant continent wide country is foolish, and not accurate. Crap, California alone has a bigger GDP than all of those countries combined. Compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges.

    So, sorry, you fail on every point. I should have suggested it earlier, but I was waiting on you to make the correct comparison. But since you didn't, I'll go ahead and help out.

    The USA is actually almost an entire continent. Since 95% of Canadians live on that border, let's include them. So consider the USA for all intents and comparisons the North American continent.

    So the best way to compare the USA is to other continents. If you include ALL of Europe then include Russia and Eastern Europe along with it. Or compare the USA to ALL of Asia, or compare it to All of Africa or All of South America.

    And then account for differences in culture, differences in economic systems, and history.

    That could be an interesting discussion. But comparing apples and oranges is fruitless...... pun intended.
    Last edited by Waddy; 03-23-20 at 04:53 PM.

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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    A good comparison for Sweden might be ONE US state...
    No the whole USA

    By your criteria the USA is without peers

    That is wrong and contradicts country comparisons that DO compare the USA with other similar (or peer) countries


    ...you fail on every point. ...
    No, YOU do and what's more evidence supports that
    You have nothing to substantiate your opinion with
    Nothing but you personal opinion, which is worthless


    You've never been to college and submitted a paper have you ?


    ...I was waiting on you to make the correct comparison....
    Sorry guy but you don't get to say what "correct" is in this context

    Others do and invariably they compare the US with "peer countries" as supportive evidence shows

    And you have NOTHING but your own, worthless, opinion

    The USA is actually almost an entire continent. Since 95% of Canadians live on that border, let's include them. So consider the USA for all intents and comparisons the North American continent....
    What about Mexico ?
    I mean you DID know that Mexico was part of the same continent as the USA ?


    So the best way to compare the USA is to other continents.
    So a continent like Australia (inc New Zealand) should be compared to Canada, USA and Mexico combined?
    That makes no sense at all

    Stupid idea - can you quote anyone who shares such a stupid idea ?


    So enough of your little parochial ideas and focus on what other people and organizations, who've actually published peer reviewed papers, think.

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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    No the whole USA

    By your criteria the USA is without peers

    That is wrong and contradicts country comparisons that DO compare the USA with other similar (or peer) countries




    No, YOU do and what's more evidence supports that
    You have nothing to substantiate your opinion with
    Nothing but you personal opinion, which is worthless


    You've never been to college and submitted a paper have you ?




    Sorry guy but you don't get to say what "correct" is in this context

    Others do and invariably they compare the US with "peer countries" as supportive evidence shows

    And you have NOTHING but your own, worthless, opinion



    What about Mexico ?
    I mean you DID know that Mexico was part of the same continent as the USA ?




    So a continent like Australia (inc New Zealand) should be compared to Canada, USA and Mexico combined?
    That makes no sense at all

    Stupid idea - can you quote anyone who shares such a stupid idea ?


    So enough of your little parochial ideas and focus on what other people and organizations, who've actually published peer reviewed papers, think.
    I accept your surrender.

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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    I accept your surrender.
    In the same way that the USA accepted North Vietnam's "surrender", then go the hell out of the fight.


    Must be great having such a criteria for "surrender".



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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Would you compare the USA to other countries in any debate ?
    As a matter of fact I wouldn't.

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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    So since neither the USA or you personally have an "exact copy", you have no peers ?

    Would that present a problem in gathering a jury of 12 of your "peers" should you ever be tried for a crime ?

    Or would they have to get people "roughly the same" to act as "peers" ?


    Same with country comparisons
    A peer is not the same thing as a facsimile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    You did say:



    And that the UK is not a peer country - even though peer country comparisons with the USA always list the UK


    Then you said:




    So, what countries could you consider a peer country to the USA on any topic, not just guns ?
    None





    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    So why do you keep mentioning guns laws and gun crime in Maine ?
    Because Maine is an example of a state that is very gun friendly and that has a low violent crime rate in general.




    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    So in your opinion, the USA can only compared to itself (a totally meaningless statement) regarding guns
    And by extension, could the USA only be compared "to itself" regarding transportation
    Could the USA only be compared "to itself" with regard to cable TV ?
    I see no point in comparing stuff such as transportation and cable TV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Yes
    That's unusual. People who are against gun rights usually didn't go to school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    You understand that comparing something "to itself" is self contradictory and utterly senseless ?
    Not necessarily. You could compare a place to itself based on the effects that take place after enacting more or less gun control.

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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by DebateChallenge View Post
    As a matter of fact I wouldn't.

    But others would

    A lot of others

    Others whose business is making international comparison.

    Would you compare any other US state to California ?


    Interesting how you've quoted UK data in the past then isn't it ?


    A peer is not the same thing as a facsimile.
    ???

    Did not the post you were replying to say:

    "So since neither the USA or you personally have an "exact copy", you have no peers ?"


    ie: Since countries can't have "exact copies" (or facsimiles), are you saying they can't have peers ?


    Because Maine is an example of a state that is very gun friendly and that has a low violent crime rate in general.
    But so what ? Because it isn't a facsimile of any other US state
    So why are their gun crimes relevant elsewhere ?

    Other states have different population, wealth, geographical areas.

    How can Maine's crime rate possibly be relevant to another US state ?


    I see no point in comparing stuff such as transportation and cable TV.
    But then, why do you see a point in comparing gun laws and gun crime ?


    People who are against gun rights usually didn't go to school.
    I went to school
    Joe Biden went to school
    John Paul Stevens went to school

    What evidence do you have for that? Another gem you pulled from your @ss ?


    Which advocates of gun control, can you name, that didn't go to school ?


    You could compare a place to itself based on the effects that take place after enacting more or less gun control.
    That's comparing different times

    NYC today is not the same city as NYC in 1800


    You really don't understand this comparison/peer business at all.


    You remind me of a previous poster who stated something about the US Supreme Court, only to be contradicted by their own web page
    He said the SC was wrong and he knew more about them, than they knew about themselves


    There are many articles listing the USA's "peer countries" - which you say are wrong
    You're making yourself look ridiculous.

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    Re: Comparing Peer Countries

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    But others would

    A lot of others

    Others whose business is making international comparison.

    Would you compare any other US state to California ?


    Interesting how you've quoted UK data in the past then isn't it ?
    If we're going to compare the USA to other countries in regards to gun control, or in regards to anything, all countries are fair game. You can't cherry pick and only look at countries such as the UK, we also have to include countries such as Brazil and Mexico and all the other countries on the globe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    ???

    Did not the post you were replying to say:

    "So since neither the USA or you personally have an "exact copy", you have no peers ?"


    ie: Since countries can't have "exact copies" (or facsimiles), are you saying they can't have peers ?
    It depends on how you define the word "peer."

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    But so what ? Because it isn't a facsimile of any other US state
    So why are their gun crimes relevant elsewhere ?

    Other states have different population, wealth, geographical areas.

    How can Maine's crime rate possibly be relevant to another US state ?
    If we're looking for exact facsimiles than Maine's crime rate is not relevant to crime rates in other states.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    But then, why do you see a point in comparing gun laws and gun crime ?
    Gun laws and gun crime are totally different from transportation and cable television, you make no sense when you bring stuff into the conversation from left field.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    I went to school
    Joe Biden went to school
    John Paul Stevens went to school

    What evidence do you have for that? Another gem you pulled from your @ss ?
    Gun grabbers are not scholars and they tend to be not all that bright. School teaches you to think, something gun grabbers don't do. I wouldn't be surprised if most gun grabbers had some school, I would say its perhaps common for gun grabbers to have gotten through the third grade or so, but as a general rule the crowd of gun grabbers is an uneducated crowd.


    Which advocates of gun control, can you name, that didn't go to school ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    That's comparing different times

    NYC today is not the same city as NYC in 1800


    You really don't understand this comparison/peer business at all.


    You remind me of a previous poster who stated something about the US Supreme Court, only to be contradicted by their own web page
    He said the SC was wrong and he knew more about them, than they knew about themselves
    So different times can be compared provided they're not too far apart. For example in May 24, 2016 West Virginia introduced constitutional carry. We can look at how that effected violent crime in the state, the rate of crime before it was enacted vs the rate of crime after it was enacted. We don't have to compare a time period from over two centuries ago as you mention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    There are many articles listing the USA's "peer countries" - which you say are wrong
    You're making yourself look ridiculous.
    The only people who are making themselves look ridiculous are the gun grabbing crowd.

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