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New Colorado Safe Storage law

Do you support this Safe Storage law?


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Colorado gun owners who don’t safely store their weapons could face jail time under new bill
MAR 6, 2020 12:36PM MST

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Colorado gun owners who don’t lock up or properly secure their weapons in homes where there are children or adults prohibited from accessing guns would be subject to jail time under legislation introduced Friday afternoon at the state Capitol.

House Bill 1355 — a so-called safe storage measure — would also require gun shops to distribute trigger or cable locks with every sale or transfer of a firearm. The legislation was reviewed by The Colorado Sun ahead of its introduction. “The goal for us is to create as safe of an environment as we can in the house if there is a firearm present,” state Rep. Kyle Mullica, a Northglenn Democrat who is leading the push for the measure, said in an interview. “The goal is not to necessarily punish people. The goal is to create that safe environment and to prevent accidents from happening.”


I support this Safe Storage law.

I welcome your thoughts and opinions :)
 
Colorado gun owners who don’t safely store their weapons could face jail time under new bill
MAR 6, 2020 12:36PM MST

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Colorado gun owners who don’t lock up or properly secure their weapons in homes where there are children or adults prohibited from accessing guns would be subject to jail time under legislation introduced Friday afternoon at the state Capitol.

House Bill 1355 — a so-called safe storage measure — would also require gun shops to distribute trigger or cable locks with every sale or transfer of a firearm. The legislation was reviewed by The Colorado Sun ahead of its introduction. “The goal for us is to create as safe of an environment as we can in the house if there is a firearm present,” state Rep. Kyle Mullica, a Northglenn Democrat who is leading the push for the measure, said in an interview. “The goal is not to necessarily punish people. The goal is to create that safe environment and to prevent accidents from happening.”


I support this Safe Storage law.

I welcome your thoughts and opinions :)


I'm surprised you support this

I think its a slippery slope
 
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I'm surprised you support this

I think its a slippery slope
Only because of the spicific provisions in the bill, like minors still being allowed to use a family gun to defend themselves.
 
Only because of the spicific provisions in the bill, like minors still being allowed to use a family gun to defend themselves.

What about this part?

(f.7) "LOCKING DEVICE" MEANS A DEVICE THAT PROHIBITS THE
7 OPERATION OR DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM AND THAT CAN ONLY BE
8 DISABLED WITH THE USE OF A KEY, COMBINATION, OR BIOMETRIC DATA.
 
What about it?

Does this have to happen at all times in Home when Firearm is not used?


(f.7) "LOCKING DEVICE" MEANS A DEVICE THAT PROHIBITS THE
7 OPERATION OR DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM AND THAT CAN ONLY BE
8 DISABLED WITH THE USE OF A KEY, COMBINATION, OR BIOMETRIC DATA.
 
Does this have to happen at all times in Home when Firearm is not used?


(f.7) "LOCKING DEVICE" MEANS A DEVICE THAT PROHIBITS THE
7 OPERATION OR DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM AND THAT CAN ONLY BE
8 DISABLED WITH THE USE OF A KEY, COMBINATION, OR BIOMETRIC DATA.

Just to be clear, "being used" includes being kept ready in a static state. The Glock on my nightstand is "being used" even though no one is touching it. The bill explicitly exempts such actions.

"(3) IT IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE OFFENSE OF UNLAWFUL STORAGE
9 OF A FIREARM WHEN:
10 (a) THE PERSON CARRIES THE FIREARM ON HIS OR HER PERSON OR
11 WITHIN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY THERETO THAT THE PERSON CAN READILY
12 RETRIEVE AND USE THE FIREARM AS IF THE PERSON CARRIED THE FIREARM
13 ON HIS OR HER PERSON;
"
 
Just to be clear, "being used" includes being kept ready in a static state. The Glock on my nightstand is "being used" even though no one is touching it. The bill explicitly exempts such actions.

"(3) IT IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE OFFENSE OF UNLAWFUL STORAGE
9 OF A FIREARM WHEN:
10 (a) THE PERSON CARRIES THE FIREARM ON HIS OR HER PERSON OR
11 WITHIN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY THERETO THAT THE PERSON CAN READILY
12 RETRIEVE AND USE THE FIREARM AS IF THE PERSON CARRIED THE FIREARM
13 ON HIS OR HER PERSON;
"

Okay, so what you're saying is in Colorado now with this legislation, you can keep a Firearm, lets say in your dresser drawer without a locking device?
 
Okay, so what you're saying is in Colorado now with this legislation, you can keep a Firearm, lets say in your dresser drawer without a locking device?
Basically, yes. If you don't have children in your home then none of this applies to you. If there are children in the home then you have to be in the same room as the gun or lock it up if you want to leave the gun behind. Even if children live with you, this law does not apply while the children are not physically in the home.

Also, in previous threads about Safe Storage law, some have brought up the example of a 12-year-old using a gun to defend himself from a burglar, arguing that Safe Storage law would prevent this. THIS law explicitly allows such:

"1 (4) IT IS AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE TO THE OFFENSE OF UNLAWFUL
2 STORAGE OF A FIREARM THAT A JUVENILE GAINED POSSESSION OF, AND
3 USED, THE FIREARM FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXERCISING THE RIGHTS
4 CONTAINED IN SECTION 18-1-704 OR 18-1-704.5 OR IN DEFENSE OF
5 LIVESTOCK.
"
 
Basically, yes. If you don't have children in your home then none of this applies to you. If there are children in the home then you have to be in the same room as the gun or lock it up if you want to leave the gun behind. Even if children live with you, this law does not apply while the children are not physically in the home.

Also, in previous threads about Safe Storage law, some have brought up the example of a 12-year-old using a gun to defend himself from a burglar, arguing that Safe Storage law would prevent this. THIS law explicitly allows such:

"1 (4) IT IS AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE TO THE OFFENSE OF UNLAWFUL
2 STORAGE OF A FIREARM THAT A JUVENILE GAINED POSSESSION OF, AND
3 USED, THE FIREARM FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXERCISING THE RIGHTS
4 CONTAINED IN SECTION 18-1-704 OR 18-1-704.5 OR IN DEFENSE OF
5 LIVESTOCK.
"

. If there are children in the home then you have to be in the same room as the gun or lock it up if you want to leave the gun behind.

So with your own children in your own home, you would have to be locking and unlocking your gun every single day let say before you go to bed?
 
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So with your own children in your own home, you would have to be locking and unlocking your gun every single day let say before you go to bed?

With children in the home, just keep your gun on your nightstand when you go to bed. No locks required.

The reason I like this law is because it's narrowly tailored to address a specific problem, not a general one-size-fits-all policy that ends up not doing any good.
 
With children in the home, just keep your gun on your nightstand when you go to bed. No locks required.

The reason I like this law is because it's narrowly tailored to address a specific problem, not a general one-size-fits-all policy that ends up not doing any good.

With children in the home, just keep your gun on your nightstand when you go to bed. No locks required.

So that is your way of saying "YES" to my question
 
A self-defense firearm that is locked up is useless.

Not to mention, this law is unenforcable.
 
Colorado gun owners who don’t safely store their weapons could face jail time under new bill
MAR 6, 2020 12:36PM MST


Colorado gun owners who don’t lock up or properly secure their weapons in homes where there are children or adults prohibited from accessing guns would be subject to jail time under legislation introduced Friday afternoon at the state Capitol.


So how would that assist a response to an armed intruder in the middle of the night ?

I mean I fully support the law. I prefer all guns be kept in an approved safe and it be illegal to store guns in a vehicle.
 
A self-defense firearm that is locked up is useless.

Not to mention, this law is unenforcable.
Why would you store a gun you wanted to keep ready?
 
Just pass a law.

Any law.

It doesntr matter if it is effective. It doesnt matter if it will accomplish anything. Just pass a law.

That is the anti-gun leftist mantra.
 
Colorado gun owners who don’t safely store their weapons could face jail time under new bill
MAR 6, 2020 12:36PM MST

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Colorado gun owners who don’t lock up or properly secure their weapons in homes where there are children or adults prohibited from accessing guns would be subject to jail time under legislation introduced Friday afternoon at the state Capitol.

House Bill 1355 — a so-called safe storage measure — would also require gun shops to distribute trigger or cable locks with every sale or transfer of a firearm. The legislation was reviewed by The Colorado Sun ahead of its introduction. “The goal for us is to create as safe of an environment as we can in the house if there is a firearm present,” state Rep. Kyle Mullica, a Northglenn Democrat who is leading the push for the measure, said in an interview. “The goal is not to necessarily punish people. The goal is to create that safe environment and to prevent accidents from happening.”


I support this Safe Storage law.

I welcome your thoughts and opinions :)



The jail time isn't as big of a deal as the potential for lawsuits.

Say your nephew grabs your unsecured AR15 and goes and shoots up his school, killing 45 people. If you're convicted of not securing your guns, it's a cakewalk for those 45 people to sue you.
 
The jail time isn't as big of a deal as the potential for lawsuits.

Say your nephew grabs your unsecured AR15 and goes and shoots up his school, killing 45 people. If you're convicted of not securing your guns, it's a cakewalk for those 45 people to sue you.
Well, they SHOULD be able to sue you for that.
 
The jail time isn't as big of a deal as the potential for lawsuits.

Say your nephew grabs your unsecured AR15 and goes and shoots up his school, killing 45 people. If you're convicted of not securing your guns, it's a cakewalk for those 45 people to sue you.

You mean their relatives.

There should be surpise inspections too. Anyone found to have an unsecured gun in their house faces a fine and loses the right to own a gun.
 
Colorado gun owners who don’t safely store their weapons could face jail time under new bill
MAR 6, 2020 12:36PM MST

View attachment 67275109

Colorado gun owners who don’t lock up or properly secure their weapons in homes where there are children or adults prohibited from accessing guns would be subject to jail time under legislation introduced Friday afternoon at the state Capitol.

House Bill 1355 — a so-called safe storage measure — would also require gun shops to distribute trigger or cable locks with every sale or transfer of a firearm. The legislation was reviewed by The Colorado Sun ahead of its introduction. “The goal for us is to create as safe of an environment as we can in the house if there is a firearm present,” state Rep. Kyle Mullica, a Northglenn Democrat who is leading the push for the measure, said in an interview. “The goal is not to necessarily punish people. The goal is to create that safe environment and to prevent accidents from happening.”


I support this Safe Storage law.

I welcome your thoughts and opinions :)

Rights are not state granted privileges, nor are they dependent on having a safe or a lock. So I oppose this law.
 
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