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New Colorado Safe Storage law

Do you support this Safe Storage law?

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Rich2018 said:
And they'd wear uniform

And they'd follow due process

And a court would make any decision based on law

nd there'd be an appeal process

And you'd have legal representation

And the media could report on such inspections

And the public would have access to police records under freedom of information...



Yeah there's only ONE difference
More hysteria from the right wing




Er... we have a police force to enforce laws like speeding

Everything a government mandates is backed up by law - how many voluntary "laws" are you aware of ?




You clearly haven't been through a border patrol check point then

Have you any idea how many Law Enforcement agencies exists in the USA ?
Any idea at all ?

More hysteria from you




So you accept now that a warrant wouldn't be necessary and move the goal posts to a moral objection, not a legal one

Tell me, how else might a Law Enforcement agency check that the law is being complied with ?

Would you have gun owners e-mail pictures of the stored guns ?

Are you OK with say a "Gestapo" like Law Enforcement Agency like ICE conducting a "surprise" raid on a place of business ?


After ICE Raids, a Reckoning in Mississippi’s Chicken Country - The New York Times





What's hysterical is your equating police checks to Nazi Germany

Do you also object to public health inspections of restaurants and bars ?




It mean the conservative politics of the right wing Republican party as personified by Trump and his MAGA hat wearing brigade of supporters




Your home or your business, same difference
Private property

So you're OK with restaurant health inspections but no home firearms storage inspections ?

Or do you think that the government has no right to tell you how top live?
Should it be up to you if you wear a seat belt or motor cycle helmet when on the road for example ?
Should you have to place infants in car seats?




Pure RW hysteria

Maybe you should move to Somalia, they don't can where you leave your gun thee




And you'd be wrong. It is to ensure a "well regulated militia" continues to exist




The best joke for last

And where would be your evidence for this ?
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You are arguing for authoritarian dictatorship. Putting lipstick on that particular pig doesn't make it any less a pig.

There is no point in discussing this any further. There is no common ground.

You might as well be saying we should be communist.

If you want a discussion with me be less radical.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Not a ban on “certain types of guns”, a ban on certain types of guns produced after 5/19/86, but you already know better, don’t you?
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The Glock 18 started production before 5/19/86.

So did drop-in select-fire Sears for Glock 17s.

Yet both are banned.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You are arguing for authoritarian dictatorship. Putting lipstick on that particular pig doesn't make it any less a pig.
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Nope you have no idea what an "authoritarian government" is

To suggest it's one that regulates how you store guns in your home, or prepare food in your restaurant is patently ridiculous and shows you have no idea what your talking about.


There is no point in discussing this any further. There is no common ground.
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There exists too much hysteria as well as pure ignorance on your part

Comparing a gun storage inspection with the Gestapo or "death camps" isn't the kind of argument that will find you "common ground" with any intelligent and rational person.


You might as well be saying we should be communist.
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QED

You don't know what you're talking about, just now it was the Nazis.

Now supporters of an economic system, aiming for the equal distribution of wealth, are supporters of gun storage inspection laws now ?


You don't know the difference between Nazism and communism is do you ?
I was forgetting you think you have "evidence and research" that the Nazis were socialists...but just don't want to post it



If you want a discussion with me be less radical.
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You think a police inspection of gun storage (as happens in the UK by the way) equates to Nazis and death camps isn't "radical"

Last I checked, there are no swastikas in Trafalgar Square !
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Not a ban on “certain types of guns”, a ban on certain types of guns produced after 5/19/86, but you already know better, don’t you?
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Also, SCARs are a kind of gun and are totally banned to civilians. The 'civilian version' is a Battle Rifle, not a SCAR.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The Glock 18 started production before 5/19/86.

So did drop-in select-fire Sears for Glock 17s.

Yet both are banned.
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Does that mean that all automatic weapons are banned, as you previously asserted? No, it doesn’t.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Also, SCARs are a kind of gun and are totally banned to civilians. The 'civilian version' is a Battle Rifle, not a SCAR.
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So what? That still doesn’t support your false assertion that “certain types of guns are banned”.
 
Rich2018 said:
Nope you have no idea what an "authoritarian government" is

To suggest it's one that regulates how you store guns in your home, or prepare food in your restaurant is patently ridiculous and shows you have no idea what your talking about.




There exists too much hysteria as well as pure ignorance on your part

Comparing a gun storage inspection with the Gestapo or "death camps" isn't the kind of argument that will find you "common ground" with any intelligent and rational person.




QED

You don't know what you're talking about, just now it was the Nazis.

Now supporters of an economic system, aiming for the equal distribution of wealth, are supporters of gun storage inspection laws now ?


You don't know the difference between Nazism and communism is do you ?
I was forgetting you think you have "evidence and research" that the Nazis were socialists...but just don't want to post it






You think a police inspection of gun storage (as happens in the UK by the way) equates to Nazis and death camps isn't "radical"

Last I checked, there are no swastikas in Trafalgar Square !
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I'm sorry there's still nothing to discuss here you're too far out. There can be no common ground no compromise. What you are arguing for is incompatible with American Life. I reject it completely.

This discussion will lead nowhere so therefore it's pointless.

Once you said to have police come into your house and inspect it that was it I shut you out I read nothing more from that point on. And you don't have anything to say that I wish to read. Your ideas simply must be rejected. I don't even know how to communicate with someone is disconnected with humanity as you.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
So what? That still doesn’t support your false assertion that “certain types of guns are banned”.
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SCAR is a type of firearm. SCARs are banned from civilian ownership. QED assertion supported.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Does that mean that all automatic weapons are banned, as you previously asserted? No, it doesn’t.
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I never said all automatic weapons were banned. I said the US has bans on certain types of guns.

You can add 60cal bolt-action rifles to the list, too. Totally banned from civilian ownership.
 
Wayne Jr said:
SCAR is a type of firearm.
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No ****.
Wayne Jr said:
SCARs are banned from civilian ownership. QED assertion supported.
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Wrong.
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QED, your assertion is disproven.

Wayne Jr said:
I never said all automatic weapons were banned.
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I never said that you said otherwise.
Wayne Jr said:
I said the US has bans on certain types of guns.
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Yep, you sure did.
Wayne Jr said:
You can add 60cal bolt-action rifles to the list, too. Totally banned from civilian ownership.
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Can you reference (w/link, of course) any federal law that bans 60 cal bolt-action rifles?

Are you also now asserting that bolt-action type rifles are banned?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Are you also now asserting that bolt-action type rifles are banned?
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The proposed CO law does not regard the type of firearm, only that it be locked when unattended around children.

I don't see why this is such a big problem for gun owners.
 
Wayne Jr said:
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Please take the time to proof-read your posts and edit them so as to be understood by your intended recipient.
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I don’t know if I can simplify my reply any further. It was specifically constructed to be easily comprehended by you.

What don’t you understand?

That SCARs aren’t banned (only full auto capable models)?

That your tendency to use blanket generalizations has again caused you to put your own foot in your mouth?

That you can’t back up (at least, so far) your claim that 60 cal bolt-action rifles are banned from civilian ownership?

Tell me what you’re confused about so maybe I can help you.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The proposed CO law does not regard the type of firearm, only that it be locked when unattended around children.

I don't see why this is such a big problem for gun owners.
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Your comment is unrelated to the question I asked. Please stop trying to avoid my question. If you don’t know the answer or realize that your assertion is wrong, just say so and be done with it.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I don’t know if I can simplify my reply any further. It was specifically constructed to be easily comprehended by you.

What don’t you understand?

That SCARs aren’t banned (only full auto capable models)?

That your tendency to use blanket generalizations has again caused you to put your own foot in your mouth?

That you can’t back up (at least, so far) your claim that 60 cal bolt-action rifles are banned from civilian ownership?

Tell me what you’re confused about so maybe I can help you.
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If it doesn't have select-fire then it isn't a SCAR. It's a Battle Rifle.

Amunition over 50cal is considered a 'distructive device' and banned unless you prove a damn good reason for needing one, like a ski resort triggering avalanches in a controled manner for public safety.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
If it doesn't have select-fire then it isn't a SCAR. It's a Battle Rifle.
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You should contact FN America to let them know.
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Wayne Jr said:
Amunition over 50cal is considered a 'distructive device' and banned unless you prove a damn good reason for needing one, like a ski resort triggering avalanches in a controled manner for public safety.
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Your point?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You should contact FN America to let them know.
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S&W makes a rifle they label an "M4", even though it's never been in the US military inventory and isn't actually an M4. Manufacturers will call a product whatever they think will cause the most units to be sold.

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You have to learn to distinguish the stuff from the stuff.

  • Mag-fed, intermediate cartridge, semi-only = Personal Defense Weapon.
  • Mag-fed, full-power cartridge, semi-only = Battle Rifle.
  • Mag-fed, intermediate cartridge, select-fire = Assault Rifle.
  • Mag-fed, full-power cartridge, select-fire = Special forces Capable Assault Rifle
  • Belt-fed, intermediate cartridge, full-auto-only = Light Machinegun/Squad Automatic Weapon
  • Belt-fed, full-power cartridge, full-auto-only = Medium Machinegun

The Semi-auto SCAR in 7.62 is a Battle Rifle due to its function.
The semi-auto SCAR-L in 5.56mm is a Personal Defence Weapon due to its function.

Real SCARs, mag-fed, full-power cartridge, select-fire, are a kind of firearm that is completely banned from civilian ownership in the US.
 
Wayne Jr said:
You have to learn to distinguish the stuff from the stuff.
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^^ What you have to learn.

SCAR is a trademarked name/acronym for an entire line of firearms. Whether fully automatic or not, all are SCARS.
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Wayne Jr said:
It's another kind of firearm that is banned from civilian ownership in the US. And it's actually the NFA that banned it.
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Your point?
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm sorry there's still nothing to discuss here you're too far out.
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You don't sound very sorry


There can be no common ground no compromise. What you are arguing for is incompatible with American Life. I reject it completely.
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Having laws to regulate how you store guns is "incompatible with American Life"
Or just conducting inspections to enforce those laws ?

What's the difference between that and a restaurant health inspection ?
You still can't determine it


This discussion will lead nowhere so therefore it's pointless.
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As many discussions with you tend to become
As far as I see it, you are opposed to any regulations to force Americans how to store their guns
You seem to think that American should be able to store their guns/ammunition however they want - even after incidents like Sandy Hook

..I don't even know how to communicate with someone is disconnected with humanity as you.
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LOL


"Humanity" ???
Did you know that British police can inspect how British gun owners store their guns/ammunition?
And yet they have not lost their "humanity"


The wild hysteria of the RW just chalked up another first

Doubtless you feel that the UK is a totalitarian police state.

Now it seems, American has a monopoly on "humanity"
It has a new meaning, the government can't determine how you store your guns/ammunition, or if they do, they can't check you're following the rules. That's a definition of "humanity" according to Clax.
 
Rich2018 said:
You don't sound very sorry




Having laws to regulate how you store guns is "incompatible with American Life"
Or just conducting inspections to enforce those laws ?

What's the difference between that and a restaurant health inspection ?
You still can't determine it




As many discussions with you tend to become
As far as I see it, you are opposed to any regulations to force Americans how to store their guns
You seem to think that American should be able to store their guns/ammunition however they want - even after incidents like Sandy Hook




LOL


"Humanity" ???
Did you know that British police can inspect how British gun owners store their guns/ammunition?
And yet they have not lost their "humanity"


The wild hysteria of the RW just chalked up another first

Doubtless you feel that the UK is a totalitarian police state.

Now it seems, American has a monopoly on "humanity"
It has a new meaning, the government can't determine how you store your guns/ammunition, or if they do, they can't check you're following the rules. That's a definition of "humanity" according to Clax.
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You are wasting your time responding to me you are out of your mind. I've written you off as The lunatic Fringe you might as well be telling me the Earth is flat.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You are wasting your time responding to me you are out of your mind. I've written you off as The lunatic Fringe you might as well be telling me the Earth is flat.
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No, it is you who is on the fringe of debate.

You hold your personal opinions as unimpeachable and so not in need of being substantiated.


Your crazy notion that the British have lost their "humanity" because they have a law determining how firearms should be stored and require police to enforce this law not only is laughable, it firmly puts you on the lunatic fringe of RW opinion.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, it is you who is on the fringe of debate.

You hold your personal opinions as unimpeachable and so not in need of being substantiated.


Your crazy notion that the British have lost their "humanity" because they have a law determining how firearms should be stored and require police to enforce this law not only is laughable, it firmly puts you on the lunatic fringe of RW opinion.
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no you're The lunatic Fringe. Ask around how many people want police to be able to inspect their house at any given time?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
^^ What you have to learn.
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Incorrect, I already know it. I'm just trying to explain it to you so that you can learn.

RaleBulgarian said:
SCAR is a trademarked name/acronym for an entire line of firearms.
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It's actually both a trademark and a kind of firearm, thus the importance of knowing the difference between the stuff (marketing) and the stuff (actual kind of firearm).

RaleBulgarian said:
Whether fully automatic or not, all are SCARS
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They're called SCARs for marketing purposes to civilians but they aren't actually SCARS unless they're mag-fed select-fire 7.62mm.

It's like Ford coming out with a brand of truck and calling it a 'compact car'. You're arguing that it's a compact car just because that's what the company calls it, but 'compact car' means something and trucks do not fit the description. You can call a PC a 'laptop' but that doesn't make a PC an actual laptop. You can call a tomato a vegetable all you like, even sell it in the vegetable section, but it's still a fruit by definition.

I don't know how to illustrate the difference between marketing labels and technical descriptors any clearer than that. You'll either get it, or you won't.
 
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