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New Colorado Safe Storage law

Do you support this Safe Storage law?

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Rich2018 said:
No, it's not something I would do

Whatever gave you the idea that I would ?
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Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018
So in your view, it's perfectly OK to leave a loaded gun on a coffee table, in a house full of kids ?
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And this was my reply
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That is something you may do or another anti gunner, but the responsible person wouldn't.
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Post 110 by the way.
 
Let me get this straight, the government can't invade your privacy between you and your doctor, but they can invade your privacy in your home and bedroom night stand?
 
Wayne Jr said:
Yes I have. Post #182.
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Wayne Jr said:
Like I said, your front door is not a magic forcefield. Like any other law. If you have been found to have broken that law, via police encounter in your home, theft, negligent shooting, etc, then you would be prosecuted. It really isn't that difficult a concept.
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Your front door is not a magical force field it is a legal barrier in order for police to crossett they need probable cause.

Okay you said like any other law, okay this makes the law unenforceable because you can't establish probable cause to search someone's house to see if they store their guns properly like you can with other things.

you can't be found to have broken that law unless police have access to your house at any given moment.

So all this really would be if they have to catch you committing some other crime is just extra punitive measures for no reason?

So this law is largely unenforceable in any meaningful way and it serves no purpose.
 
Wayne Jr said:
No one is threatening anyone's rights.
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Thats what anti-2nd amendment trash say all the time while supporting license/permit requirements, storage requirements and so on.
 
jamesrage said:
Thats what anti-2nd amendment trash say all the time while supporting license/permit requirements, storage requirements and so on.
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wWhile the gun owning trash threaten the rights of everyone by bearings arms as well as offering, unintentional or not, criminal a source of guns.
 
jamesrage said:
Thats what anti-2nd amendment trash say all the time while supporting license/permit requirements, storage requirements and so on.
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What anti-gunners say has no relevance to what I say. Go ahead and own an unregistered modern M16, put an unregistered silencer and belt-fed upper on it with infinite armor-piercing ammo. No problem. All I'm saying is put a lock on it when you leave it alone around kids.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Your front door is not a magical force field it is a legal barrier in order for police to crossett they need probable cause.

Okay you said like any other law, okay this makes the law unenforceable because you can't establish probable cause to search someone's house to see if they store their guns properly like you can with other things.

you can't be found to have broken that law unless police have access to your house at any given moment.

So all this really would be if they have to catch you committing some other crime is just extra punitive measures for no reason?

So this law is largely unenforceable in any meaningful way and it serves no purpose.
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This law is perfectly enforceable so you'll have to come up with new material.
 
Rich2018 I can't see your posts so you're wasting your time.
 
Wayne Jr said:
This law is perfectly enforceable so you'll have to come up with new material.
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You can insist but that doesn't make it so. I'll stand by argument because you haven't countered it.

It is unenforceable. Remember I actually explained why. You didn't explain how it was.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You can insist but that doesn't make it so.
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Right, my say-so is not what makes it so. The fact that this is how it always has been is what makes it so. I even linked to a couple of specific examples. I don't know how you don't understand at this point. Laws are perfectly enforceable within your home. It's always been true and you're literally surrounded by many examples as you read this, from the spacing of your wall studs to your computer's software. Take a dump in your bathroom, there's laws about the toilet you sit on and the plumbing hauling your waste away. Kick your pet and there's laws that can fine you for it. Serve moldy food to guests and there's laws letting them sue you. Don't pay your taxes for a while and find out if you actually even own your home in the first place. There are laws everywhere in your house.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
Right, my say-so is not what makes it so.
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I asked how they would establish probable cause and you didn't really explain.
The fact that this is how it always has been is what makes it so. I even linked to a couple of specific examples. I don't know how you don't understand at this point.
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because your explanation is poor.
Laws are perfectly enforceable within your home. It's always been true and you're literally surrounded by many examples as you read this, from the spacing of your wall studs to your computer's software. Take a dump in your bathroom, there's laws about the toilet you sit on and the plumbing hauling your waste away.
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So it's building code?
Kick your pet and there's laws that can fine you for it.
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Only upon investigation.
Serve moldy food to guests and there's laws letting them sue you. Don't pay your taxes for a while and find out if you actually even own your home in the first place. There are laws everywhere in your house.
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You are all over the map with nonsense and not one legitimate explanation. Just poor analogies.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I asked how they would establish probable cause and you didn't really explain.
because your explanation is poor. So it's building code?
Only upon investigation.

You are all over the map with nonsense and not one legitimate explanation. Just poor analogies.
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I'm sorry I couldn't explain it to you.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's because you are wrong. So don't be sorry just stop being wrong.
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I'm not wrong tho. During the DC handgun ban, storage laws were enforced. Any law can be enforced. I gave explanation of how and links to spicific examples.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I'm not wrong tho. During the DC handgun ban, storage laws were enforced.
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How? Why do you keep dodging this question?

Any law can be enforced. I gave explanation of how and links to spicific examples.
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Your explanation is weak, I don't look at links.
 
CLAX1911 said:
How?
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Again, via unrelated police encounter in your home, firearm theft, negligent shooting, your child or a child's visiting friend informing a doctor or teacher, an unrelated social media pic with the unsecured gun in the background, a relative attempting a red-flag order, etc.
 
Wayne Jr said:
What anti-gunners say has no relevance to what I say. Go ahead and own an unregistered modern M16, put an unregistered silencer and belt-fed upper on it with infinite armor-piercing ammo. No problem. All I'm saying is put a lock on it when you leave it alone around kids.
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I shouldn't be required by law to buy a safe or lock to exercise my 2nd amendment rights.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I'm not a gun banner. I do not want guns banned and this law does not ban anything. Go ahead and own helicopter-mounted modern miniguns if you want, all I'm saying is slap a trigger lock on it when you aren't using it.
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What gives you (or government) the right (or power) to dictate how someone uses, maintains or stores arms within their own home?
 
Rich2018 said:
The duty to protect the rest of the people.
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I mean show me the document which grants the right or power to govenment to revoke rights to the individual.

The only document I have available is the Bill of Rights which protects me (and others) from the government granting itself powers to dictate.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Again, via unrelated police encounter in your home, firearm theft, negligent shooting, your child or a child's visiting friend informing a doctor or teacher, an unrelated social media pic with the unsecured gun in the background, a relative attempting a red-flag order, etc.
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So please show me the Supreme Court decision that made hearsay the threshold for probable cause?
 
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