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Solution For People Who Don't Like Guns

I'm "fixated" on guns because that's the topic of this thread. You couldn't hardly get any more whatabouty. How about we don't address any problems in any way unless we can address all problems in one thread?

To answer your implied question, not your glib questions... I think the reason that gun regulation is such a popular subject is that there's an unending barrage of school shootings. It makes people want to do something about it, because most people don't like it when kids get shot.

BOOHOO. I do expect to see you too bring this up with other people as well as just me.:2wave:
 
You think arson should be legal?

I mean, why have any laws at all? Criminals are just going to break them.

I'm not talking about taking away anyone's constitutional rights. "Regulated" is the third word of the second amendment.

If we ban, say, magazines that hold more than 15 bullets, a whole bunch of factories would stop making them. They would he harder to find. Yeah, some would be made foreign and smuggled in. But a drop in the bucket. They would be hard to find. So we wouldn't have high school kids showing up at school with them. More reloads mean less shooting mean less dead kids.

Gee, we need to ban matches. News flash, Arson is a crime. If you commit a crime you should be prosecuted. Only a moron would ban matches because some criminal abuses them. Do you want to ban cars because some people drink and drive? fewer than a fraction of 1% of guns are involved in crime. Why punish the 99+% for the acts of a small minority? Should a teacher make the whole class stay after school because one kid didn't do his homework? That is your solution, I think it is stupid.
 
Its inane-we don't have the resources and the will to punish actually already illegal, harmful activities, so the solution is to criminalize currently legal and non-harmful activities.

Some people just have irrational fears. Some people fear black people. Some people fear crowds. Some people fear guns. These people are mentally incapable of rational behavior. Those with irrational fears think others are flawed because they don't have the same fears. You can not reason with them they are not mentally capable of doing that. When you or I see a black man, we just see another person. When an irrational sees a black man, he sees a mugger. They are not capable of realizing all black men aren't muggers. It is the same with guns. When you or I see a gun, we think of hunting or target shooting. The irrational see a school shooter. These type of people need mental help but they are not smart enough to seek it out.
 
Some people just have irrational fears. Some people fear black people. Some people fear crowds. Some people fear guns. These people are mentally incapable of rational behavior. Those with irrational fears think others are flawed because they don't have the same fears. You can not reason with them they are not mentally capable of doing that. When you or I see a black man, we just see another person. When an irrational sees a black man, he sees a mugger. They are not capable of realizing all black men aren't muggers. It is the same with guns. When you or I see a gun, we think of hunting or target shooting. The irrational see a school shooter. These type of people need mental help but they are not smart enough to seek it out.

Good post. The best way for people to get over a phobia is to be exposed to whatever they fear.

I’m calling on all decent people to take a democrat to the range and have some fun shooting targets.
 
If they did, I was not aware. I'm pretty sure the NRA has been blocking any effective gun regulation. If I'm wrong, please educate me.
OPPS my bad sorry. It was 3 1/2 years ago. The bill was brought to the floor by CT. sen. Chris Murphy (the truck load of guns loophole)and debated for about a week and voted on. Both houses passed it by a narrow margin.
 
=Digger;1071527144]You think arson should be legal?
WTF? Did he say that? If that's the case then everything he said is legal. NOT.
I mean, why have any laws at all? Criminals are just going to break them.
Do you obey laws? If not are you a criminal? I however obey them.
I'm not talking about taking away anyone's constitutional rights. "Regulated" is the third word of the second amendment.
No you're just talking about those constitutional rights being "infringed" the last word of the Second Amendment.
If we ban, say, magazines that hold more than 15 bullets, a whole bunch of factories would stop making them.
Do you have the slightest idea how many "high capacity" or standard capacity magazines are around? And a lot of people would be out of work.
They would he harder to find.
Most everyone that shoot ARs and AKs have between 2 and 2 dozen not to mention other platforms.
Yeah, some would be made foreign and smuggled in. But a drop in the bucket. They would be hard to find.
It would be significantly more than a drop in the bucket. They wouldn't be hard to find. To you maybe but not to us.
So we wouldn't have high school kids showing up at school with them. More reloads mean less shooting mean less dead kids.
Let's do some ifing. Okay how much damage can some kid do with a 15 round magazine at school? V-TECH, killing 32(33 counting the perp) people and wounding 17
10 round mags for the .22 and apparently 15 for the 9mm. Reloading preloaded mags barring a fumble 1.5-2 seconds. I'm sure others do better.
 
That's because I don't advocate this, please read my post again. I'm restated my position numerrous times

The bit about banning all gun but making exceptions (make and model#) based on British gun laws.


It's better than having to produce convoluted legal definitions of certain "types" of guns. Best ban them all and then un-ban some guns by make & model#.

Yet on your post immediately previous to that, you wrote of excepting certain types of guns:

"All muzzle loaders would be exempted yes, as would manually cocked rifles and shotguns with a capacity of no more than 3."

You move goalposts before anyone even has a chance to address them.
 
Originally Posted by zsu2357
You knuckled under and said ok so keep your template.
Good question Rich. Beats all fu** out of me. LOL. I'll go with you guys knuckled under, keep your template.
 
Nobody is making me buy child porn or crack cocaine either, nevertheless I think both a dangerous (like guns are) and should bee banned.
Child porn is banned because the manufacture of it is banned. Having children perform sexual acts is obviously illegal.
As for crack cocaine, I thought you've said before that drugs should be legalized.
 
Child porn is banned because the manufacture of it is banned. Having children perform sexual acts is obviously illegal.
As for crack cocaine, I thought you've said before that drugs should be legalized.

Child porn is not banned because you can't make it.
Child porn is banned because we don't want it in society.


I think I said that the Portuguese experience of decriminalizing all drugs should be studied and perhaps legalizing all drugs could be tried.
I'm kind of on the fence for this.


The point is that justifying gun ownership because it's not compulsory to own one, is not a valid argument
 
I think he's working the PTSD angle. I think.

Maybe he is.

I don't know how high the percentage of veterans are treated for PTSD or how many servicemen leave the military because of PTSD.

I imagine all servicemen on active duty are subject to some lever of stress.

Not sure what gun control has to do with it.

Does the military need more psychiatrists ?
I'd say absolutely yes.
 
Yet on your post immediately previous to that, you wrote of excepting certain types of guns:

"All muzzle loaders would be exempted yes, as would manually cocked rifles and shotguns with a capacity of no more than 3."

You move goalposts before anyone even has a chance to address them.


Explain.

You have previous complained my position on a gun ban was not clear.

Now the position of the goal posts are


You just want to move them because you're unhappy I left you no nits to pick.
 
Explain.

You have previous complained my position on a gun ban was not clear.

Now the position of the goal posts are


You just want to move them because you're unhappy I left you no nits to pick.

You assumed two different positions within sequential posts:


The bit about banning all gun but making exceptions (make and model#) based on British gun laws.

It's better than having to produce convoluted legal definitions of certain "types" of guns. Best ban them all and then un-ban some guns by make & model#.

All muzzle loaders would be exempted yes, as would manually cocked rifles and shotguns with a capacity of no more than 3.

Position 1, ban all guns but make exceptions by make and model as that is better than banning by type.

Position 2, ban all guns but make exceptions by type.

So which is your position?
 
Child porn is not banned because you can't make it.
Child porn is banned because we don't want it in society.


I think I said that the Portuguese experience of decriminalizing all drugs should be studied and perhaps legalizing all drugs could be tried.
I'm kind of on the fence for this.


The point is that justifying gun ownership because it's not compulsory to own one, is not a valid argument

This makes no sense. Drugs kill far more people than guns. Why would you want drugs legalized?
 
Abortion clinics don't kill anyone, they merely terminate a pregnancy.

A fetus doesn't become a child? Are you OK with killing toddlers too?
 
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