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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Which is why I wonder if he is really as dedicated to his anti-gun rhetoric as he portrays here.
    Most people would fear a psychopathic killer yet slasher movies always maintain a certain level of popularity. People slow down to get a better look at a car wreck. Even anti-gunners attend mainstream Hollywood productions where the gunshot death toll runs into the hundreds. My daughter has a shark phobia but loves shark attack movies.
    People can be attracted to what they hate and fear so long as it is at what they perceive as a safe distance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Shotguns are not portable firearms

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by RF667799 View Post
    Most people would fear a psychopathic killer yet slasher movies always maintain a certain level of popularity. People slow down to get a better look at a car wreck. Even anti-gunners attend mainstream Hollywood productions where the gunshot death toll runs into the hundreds. My daughter has a shark phobia but loves shark attack movies.
    People can be attracted to what they hate and fear so long as it is at what they perceive as a safe distance.
    Sounds right except he claims to own and shoot them, so the distance things does not seem to apply here. Maybe Poe is more applicable.

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Sounds right except he claims to own and shoot them, so the distance things does not seem to apply here. Maybe Poe is more applicable.
    No his claimed experience is from his claimed time in the British Army.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Shotguns are not portable firearms

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by BahamaBob View Post
    Your ignorance on weapons is showing....
    And your ignorance on guns is showing more....read on


    Here is what shotgunworld says.
    "If the shells are the same and the 20 gauge weighs less, it recoils more. This is why OFTEN 20-gauges recoil worse than 12-gauges, because of the lighter gun, even with lighter payloads".

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    Counter 4:37


    "Anyone who can shoot a 12 gauge can shoot a 20 gauge better..."

    A smaller stature person was recommended to get a Remington 20 gauge youth model. But what does this guy know...your experience and training classes probably teach something more in line with your experience.


    Your ignorance on guns is really showing


    A short stock or pistol grip stock makes the recoil worse. It puts all the pressure on the wrist. It could easily break the wrist of a woman....
    Such a sexist and bigoted thing to say
    You've never heard of "short stocking" then ?

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    No one with any real experience would try to tell anyone that you can wield a shotgun as fast as a handgun.
    See the first and second videos. Using a shotgun takes about the same amount of space


    Shotguns are designed to hit moving targets at range. At 30 or 40 yards the pattern spreads at close range not so. Do you have 30 yards in your family room?
    Of course you can miss with a shotgun, that's one of the myths that James Jaeger exposes. But if the target is say 3-4''' away, the spread of shot would be about 3-4", so yes, you do have a much better chance of a hit with a shotgun.

    Your ignorance of guns, especially shotguns, is really showing now.



    More likely to hit with a shotgun. Depends on the situation and the user. In the dark, I will take a handgun anytime....
    That would be your choice, use a pistol if you don't feel comfortable with anything else


    A handgun is an extension of your hand, you point and shoot. A shotgun or rifle needs to be aimed.
    LOL


    It sounds like you've never fired a hand gun, you've certainly never aimed one or been in a situation where to destination of the bullet mattered



    My 9 mil has a 17 shot clip and a laser sight. I can miss 16 times and I am still in the game. I can also change a clip in 2 seconds.
    It sounds like you would have to fire that many unaimed shots to get a hit...like pinning the tail on a donkey



    I see you favor a 3 shot max on your shotguns. What happens after shot 3?

    If my preferred gun laws were in force, I'd re-load. You might need 17 shots...

    What happens if 18 Ninjas attack your house ?

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually that can happen. Forest fire fighters sometimes create a burn zone to stop a fire from spreading. whether they currently use gas or other incendiary material, I don't know but I am certain gas has been used in some gases.
    True, I've heard of that

    I've also heard gun owners claim their life (or the lives of others) was saved by defensive gun use.


    Though I suspect you knew I was talking about substituting water for gasoline to pour ON a fire.

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    That do-hicky on the end of the barrel on that "assault" rifle is called a flash suppressor.
    It does an awesome job

    More like flash eliminator. Same with the FN-FAL and FN-MAG machine gun

    I don't recall one on the Lee Enfield No 4 - but that had been converted to a .22 indoor target rifle


    For you muzzle flash might not be a problem. For us mere humans with eyes that can dilate, it often is a problem.

    Then you mere humans maybe need to go back to archery:


    "As previously stated, shotguns burn most of their powder very quickly, so there is generally minimal muzzle flash in all but the shortest-barreled shotguns. However, anyone who has hunted ducks at dusk and dawn knows where the term “barking fire” originated. That said, a flash hider on a shotgun is of questionable use, at best..."


    Shooting Illustrated | 6 Shotgun Muzzle Devices & Their Uses



    Are you sure you are a pro-gun person?
    I'm not


    NO-ONE I know who owns any number of guns calls the AR15 or any other semi-automatic rifle an "assault weapon"...
    I believe that the term that the gun control lobby uses is "assault type weapons"

    ...and the SA-80 / L-85 is an "assault rifle"


    The FN-FAL is a "battle rifle" is today's terminology

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    =Rich2018;1071545934]I think I'd consider hearing protection as essential to home defense.
    If you got time to put on or/in hearing protection fine. But best something that electronically cancels sound out at certain decibels leaving you free to hear your surroundings.
    I'm not sure muzzle flash is an issue, I've not heard that it is
    Guess you never shot a rifle /shotgun in the dark. Flash suppressors help but you still see spots. Being able to see your target helps.
    I've heard that a 20 gauge shotgun can fire a round that's twice as powerful as a 44 Magnum.
    At the distance he's talking about it's a moot point. What twice as dead is still just as dead.

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    Counter 4:38[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    It does an awesome job

    More like flash eliminator. Same with the FN-FAL and FN-MAG machine gun

    I don't recall one on the Lee Enfield No 4 - but that had been converted to a .22 indoor target rifle





    Then you mere humans maybe need to go back to archery:


    "As previously stated, shotguns burn most of their powder very quickly, so there is generally minimal muzzle flash in all but the shortest-barreled shotguns. However, anyone who has hunted ducks at dusk and dawn knows where the term “barking fire” originated. That said, a flash hider on a shotgun is of questionable use, at best..."


    Shooting Illustrated | 6 Shotgun Muzzle Devices & Their Uses





    I'm not




    I believe that the term that the gun control lobby uses is "assault type weapons"

    ...and the SA-80 / L-85 is an "assault rifle"


    The FN-FAL is a "battle rifle" is today's terminology
    You missed an important qualifier from your quote; "in all but the shortest barrel shotguns." But short barrel shotguns is exactly what we're talking about. I suggest you take a short barreled shotgun with a full load of powder out in the dark and fire it off. You will prove my point.

    The term "assault" is not a term generally used by pro-gun people, it is a word invented by the anti-gun lobby. Your using it freely and not correcting yourself now that you had the chance says a lot. A simple "my bad" would have got you off the hook. But it looks like to me you've been exposed a anti-gun regardless of your protestations to the contrary. That and your lack of basic shooting knowledge exposed you.

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Not much no.

    Have you ?

    Strange how that video didn't mention muzzle flash. Can you prove that it would be an issue ?
    Walk into a dark room and let your nv adjust then look up where the light is and flip it on a sec. then off.

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    Re: Which is More Powerful

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    And your ignorance on guns is showing more....read on





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    Counter 4:37


    "Anyone who can shoot a 12 gauge can shoot a 20 gauge better..."

    A smaller stature person was recommended to get a Remington 20 gauge youth model. But what does this guy know...your experience and training classes probably teach something more in line with your experience.


    Your ignorance on guns is really showing




    Such a sexist and bigoted thing to say
    You've never heard of "short stocking" then ?

    YouTube





    See the first and second videos. Using a shotgun takes about the same amount of space




    Of course you can miss with a shotgun, that's one of the myths that James Jaeger exposes. But if the target is say 3-4''' away, the spread of shot would be about 3-4", so yes, you do have a much better chance of a hit with a shotgun.

    Your ignorance of guns, especially shotguns, is really showing now.




    That would be your choice, use a pistol if you don't feel comfortable with anything else




    LOL


    It sounds like you've never fired a hand gun, you've certainly never aimed one or been in a situation where to destination of the bullet mattered





    It sounds like you would have to fire that many unaimed shots to get a hit...like pinning the tail on a donkey






    If my preferred gun laws were in force, I'd re-load. You might need 17 shots...

    What happens if 18 Ninjas attack your house ?
    what? at 3 inches the shot won't even start to expand in a significant amount.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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