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Supreme Court leaves Trump bump stock ban in place

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Supreme Court leaves Trump bump stock ban in place

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3/2/20
The Supreme Court left in place on Monday President Donald Trump's ban on bump stocks, turning away an appeal from owners of the device and gun rights groups. Last year, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives banned bump stock devices -- attachments that essentially allow shooters to fire semiautomatic rifles continuously with one pull of the trigger. The devices came under scrutiny after the October 2017 massacre in Las Vegas where a shooter opened fire from his hotel suite onto outdoor concertgoers with rifles fitted with bump stocks, killing 58 people and wounding others. Last spring, the justices denied a request to temporarily block the administration's rule -- which took effect in April 2019 -- while the issue played out in lower courts. It was the third time the court was asked to issue such an order.
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Seems the NRA didn't stuff enough pockets.

Related: Supreme Court won't hear challenge to ban on bump stocks
 
I wonder why Trump's administration banned bump stocks ?

Does anyone have an explanation ?
 
Bump stocks have always been a gimmick and didn’t gain any real attention until the Las Vegas shooting. The same affect can be created using other common items, so the impact of a ban is minimal at best for those who seek the simulation of automatic fire.
 
Moon said:
Bump stocks have always been a gimmick and didn’t gain any real attention until the Las Vegas shooting. The same affect can be created using other common items, so the impact of a ban is minimal at best for those who seek the simulation of automatic fire.
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So why were bump stocks banned ?
 
Trump must be one of those commie leftist gun grabbers who hate freedom that I hear so much about. Lol
 
I have never had or used a bump stock...never saw the need or use in them; but the ban itself is pretty much useless and feel good action.

Why spend money on an expensive gimmick when you can simply use this....

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Rich2018 said:
So why were bump stocks banned ?
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Well, not being the President I can’t say for sure what his motivation was, but I would guess because it would be the least controversial action his administration could take and still show they were doing something.
 
Rich2018 said:
So banning bump stocks was a waste of time as they present no threat ?
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Trump is unwilling to entertain any sort of new gun regulation but after the Las Vegas mass shooting republicans knew they at least needed to look like they were semi reasonable on legislation. Banning bump stocks was a way to do that without upsetting the pro gun base.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Seems the NRA didn't stuff enough pockets.
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I am a 100% NRA all the way... and not that I think they needed to be banned... but because they are a dumb gimmick (toy) which nobody I know would have any reason to use anyway.

Here is a video pretty much proving my point. Note the 2nd rifle is NOT a machine gun; it is semi automatic fire by a guy who practices a lot:

 
Court Jester said:
I am a 100% NRA all the way... and not that I think they needed to be banned... but because they are a dumb gimmick (toy) which nobody I know would have any reason to use anyway.

Here is a video pretty much proving my point. Note the 2nd rifle is NOT a machine gun; it is semi automatic fire by a guy who practices a lot:

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The video doesn't prove anything, because apparently Jerry doesn't know how to use one, or is trying not to.

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I don't care what you think about bump firing. The administration's action should be offensive to every person in this country. Gorsuch said it best in his comment on the denial of review:
The agency used to tell everyone that bump stocks don’t qualify as “machineguns.” Now it says the opposite. The law hasn’t changed, only an agency’s interpretation of it. And these days it sometimes seems agencies change their statutory interpretations almost as often as elections change administrations. How, in all this, can ordinary citizens be expected to keep up—required not only to conform their conduct to the fairest reading of the law they might expect from a neutral judge, but forced to guess whether the statute will be declared ambiguous; to guess again whether the agency’s initial interpretation of the law will be declared “reasonable”; and to guess again whether a later and opposing agency interpretation will also be held “reasonable”?
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The administration's declaration of previously lawful conduct as suddenly unlawful, with no change in the law itself, is repulsive, particularly when the conduct is not unlawful based on the text of the statute at issue. Gorsuch is correct. One can only hope the final judgment in the case is not foretold by the outcome of this preliminary injunction ruling.
 
Supreme Court leaves Trump bump stock ban in place

Of course, it does. The bump stock ban is not an infringement
 
Moon said:
Bump stocks have always been a gimmick and didn’t gain any real attention until the Las Vegas shooting. The same affect can be created using other common items, so the impact of a ban is minimal at best for those who seek the simulation of automatic fire.
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You can hook your finger in a belt loop and accomplish the same thing.

But since you can't blame the person doing the shooting it must be something else.
 
ProgressPlease said:
Trump is unwilling to entertain any sort of new gun regulation but after the Las Vegas mass shooting republicans knew they at least needed to look like they were semi reasonable on legislation. Banning bump stocks was a way to do that without upsetting the pro gun base.
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So one incident is enough for a ban. And again it's a half measure ban - affecting only new sales of bump stocks.


Dunblane in Scotland was a similar example - except the British government took much stronger action.
 
Rich2018 said:
So one incident is enough for a ban. And again it's a half measure ban - affecting only new sales of bump stocks.


Dunblane in Scotland was a similar example - except the British government took much stronger action.
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We should have taken stronger action but we all knew that wouldn't happen.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
I don't care what you think about bump firing. The administration's action should be offensive to every person in this country. Gorsuch said it best in his comment on the denial of review....
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Riiiiight

Oddly enough, I generally agree with Gorsuch -- but that requires actually understanding what he's saying... Anyway: Agencies shouldn't change the meaning of statutes as a result of the whim of the President. IIRC in most cases it involves a rule-making process or legislative action, or at least careful consideration by the courts.

We should also note that despite his objections, Gorsuch did not think the SCOTUS should take this case right now, he thinks it should continue going through the lower courts. I.e. this was not a one-shot decision to ban bump stocks, it's just one part of a long legal process.

However, it remains to be seen whether Gorsuch will actually be consistent about this complaint. His voting with the majority on the stay in Wolf suggests otherwise.
 
Rich2018 said:
So why were bump stocks banned ?
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Because of public pressure after the Vegas shooting.

Like most 2nd amendment bans, it had very little with reality.

The bump stock is a $200 substitute for something you can do with a thumb and a belt loop.

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Tlrmln said:
The video doesn't prove anything, because apparently Jerry doesn't know how to use one, or is trying not to.

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An expensive noise maker like the right handgrip on a Harley Davidson. It isn't going to accomplish what he can do unassisted anyway.
 
jimbo said:
Because of public pressure after the Vegas shooting.

Like most 2nd amendment bans, it had very little with reality.

The bump stock is a $200 substitute for something you can do with a thumb and a belt loop.

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Or seemingly with a match stick on a particular semi-auto version of the FN FAL (known in Britain as the SLR)
 
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