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RF667799 said:
It is beyond me how I've managed to carry shotguns from place to place all these years considering they aren't portable....
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Probably because of the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms


...turns out they ARE portable....
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Only in the same was that an AK-47 is portable


Your blatant moving of the goal posts is verging on dishonesty now.
 
Rich2018 said:
Probably because of the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms




Only in the same was that an AK-47 is portable


Your blatant moving of the goal posts is verging on dishonesty now.
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Do you mean in the way that the dictionary definition has it?

You're going to a lot of trouble to avoid admitting you were wrong.

Once again, is a shotgun portable? Yes or no?
 
RF667799 said:
Do you mean in the way that the dictionary definition has it?
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No, the way the law would have it

You're going to a lot of trouble to avoid admitting you were wrong.
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Your back must be getting sore from moving all those goal posts


Once again, is a shotgun portable? Yes or no?
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No it's not.


(man portable that is, no talking about in the trunk of a care).
 
Rich2018 said:
No, the way the law would have it



Your back must be getting sore from moving all those goal posts





No it's not.


(man portable that is, no talking about in the trunk of a care).
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Strange....I found it pretty easy to move and carry about a shotgun when I was a youth of about 12.

We probably won't be able to go any further considering you apparently have some private definition of "portable" that doesn't agree with standard dictionary definitions.

Definition of portable (Entry 1 of 2)

1a : capable of being carried or moved about
//a portable TV

b : characterized by portability
//a portable pension
 
RF667799 said:
Strange....I found it pretty easy to move and carry about a shotgun when I was a youth of about 12.
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Probably because the law allowed it

Try walking down the street in Britain with a shotgun over your shoulder and see how "portable" it is


Hell, walk into an airport in Georgia or a school property and learn the same lesson.
Contrast this to the portability of a concealed handgun



Btw, I'm still waiting for you to explain how a double barreled shotgun (and any shotgun with a capacity of not more that 3), can match a semi-auto rifle in RoF.
 
Rich2018 said:
Probably because the law allowed it

Try walking down the street in Britain with a shotgun over your shoulder and see how portable it is

Hell walk into an airport in Georgia or a school and learn the same lesson.



Btw, I'm still waiting for you to explain how a double barreled shotgun (and any shotgun with a capacity of not more that 3), can match a semi-auto rifle in RoF.
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Who said that a double barrel shotgun can match a semi-auto rifle in rate of fire? Regardless of the strawman of lies you are trying to construct there, it's apparent you really don't know what you're talking about on that topic.

But apparently you still refuse to concede that you misspoke when you said a shotgun is not portable. We simply can't go any further so long as you maintain you have a private definition of terms that you argue are central to your point.
 
RF667799 said:
Who said that a double barrel shotgun can match a semi-auto rifle in rate of fire?
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Post # 12, you said:


A shotgun offers a respectable sustained rate of fire
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A respectable SUSTAINED rate of fire eh ?

Like a semi-auto rifle, that offers a good rate of sustained fire ?


Care to take a Pepsi-challenge on the range with a shotgun limited to a capacity of three rounds Vs a semi-automatic rifle ?



...it's apparent you really don't know what you're talking about...
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Says the man who claims a shotgun offers a "respectable, sustained RoF"

:lamo



...you still refuse to concede that you misspoke when you said a shotgun is not portable....
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Nope, because it's not

I assume you realized that I was not implying that a shotgun cannot be carried...but legally it is not man portable because the law would stop you
zYou could not walk down a street, into a school grounds, a bar, an airport etc carrying a shotgun

Sometimes your attempts to nit pick, to score a petty point, are pathetic.

This is a case in point.
 
Rich2018 said:
Post # 12, you said:





A respectable SUSTAINED rate of fire eh ?

Like a semi-auto rifle, that offers a good rate of sustained fire ?


Care to take a Pepsi-challenge on the range with a shotgun limited to a capacity of three rounds Vs a semi-automatic rifle ?





Says the man who claims a shotgun offers a "respectable, sustained RoF"

:lamo






Nope, because it's not

I assume you realized that I was not implying that a shotgun cannot be carried...but legally it is not man portable because the law would stop you
zYou could not walk down a street, into a school grounds, a bar, an airport etc carrying a shotgun

Sometimes your attempts to nit pick, to score a petty point, are pathetic.

This is a case in point.
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That there are some places you are prohibited from carrying a gun of any sort does not mean that a shotgun isn't portable. You claimed (and continue to claim) shotguns are not portable.

I don't see how we can continue until you correct your dishonest posts.

As an aside, I note you could not supply any evidence of me claiming that a shotgun can match a semi auto rifle in ROF. Yet you continue your dishonesty.
 
RF667799 said:
That there are some places you are prohibited from carrying a gun of any sort does not mean that a shotgun isn't portable. You claimed (and continue to claim) shotguns are not portable.
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Shotguns are not portable firearms

At least they're not portable in places where carrying one is illegal....as it would be in the USA if the 2nd amendedment was repealed


I don't see how we can continue until you correct your dishonest posts.
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Like the stupid post that a shotgun offers a "respectable, sustained RoF" ?
You mean dishonest claims like that ?


...I note you could not supply any evidence of me claiming that a shotgun can match a semi auto rifle in ROF. Yet you continue your dishonesty.
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So you're up for the Pepsi challenge ?

I can only offer the evidence of personal testimony, I've fired a double barreled shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle.

No way do they offer comparative rates of fire.



"The biggest downsides of a shotgun?

Massive recoil, low capacity and long reload times.

Shotguns not only have the lowest capacity, but they also take the longest to reload..."



Pistol vs Shotgun vs Rifle for Home Defense - Abe's Gun Cave



And this guy was talking about a 6-7 capacity pump action shotgun, not a shotgun meeting British gun laws


It might be time for you to stop spreading your dishonesty across the forum.
 
Rich2018 said:
Shotguns are not portable firearms

At least they're not portable in places where carrying one is illegal....as it would be in the USA if the 2nd amendedment was repealed




Like the stupid post that a shotgun offers a "respectable, sustained RoF" ?
You mean dishonest claims like that ?




So you're up for the Pepsi challenge ?

I can only offer the evidence of personal testimony, I've fired a double barreled shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle.

No way do they offer comparative rates of fire.



"The biggest downsides of a shotgun?

Massive recoil, low capacity and long reload times.

Shotguns not only have the lowest capacity, but they also take the longest to reload..."



Pistol vs Shotgun vs Rifle for Home Defense - Abe's Gun Cave



And this guy was talking about a 6-7 capacity pump action shotgun, not a shotgun meeting British gun laws


It might be time for you to stop spreading your dishonesty across the forum.
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Shotguns are portable. Prove the dictionary wrong.
 
RF667799 said:
Shotguns are portable. Prove the dictionary wrong.
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Shotguns are not portable.


Not in places where carrying one is illegal.


Still waiting for you to back up your claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.


I seems you're ready to ignore that bit
 
Rich2018 said:
Shotguns are not portable.


Not in places where carrying one is illegal.


Still waiting for you to back up your claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.


I seems you're ready to ignore that bit
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A shotgun is portable by the very definition of "portable". That's proven and your denial is dishonesty at this point.

Why would I want to ignore that and instead go on to another dishonest claim of yours? I prefer to address one of your lies at a time.
 
RF667799 said:
A shotgun is portable by the very definition of "portable". That's proven and your denial is dishonesty at this point.

Why would I want to ignore that and instead go on to another dishonest claim of yours? I prefer to address one of your lies at a time.
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Shotguns are NOT portable in places where carrying one is illegal.


Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
I guess when you're caught out in one of your lies, you conveniently try to "forget" it.
 
Rich2018 said:
Shotguns are NOT portable in places where carrying one is illegal.


Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
I guess when you're caught out in one of your lies, you conveniently try to "forget" it.
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Nowhere in the definition of portable does it refer to legality. A shotgun is a portable firearm. Period.

We can address the other dishonest claim of yours as soon as we finish with this one. For now, the readers probably understand that your claim as to what I claimed is not the truth.
 
RF667799 said:
Nowhere in the definition of portable does it refer to legality...
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This is because your naive criteria for portability for a firearm is a dictionary definition (in so much as dictionaries define words)

In my last exercise as an infantryman, I carried a 25 lb belt-fed machine gun, so I know perfectly well that an adult has the strength to lift and carry a shotgun - more intentional dishonesty from you to suggest I don't
However my criteria for portability for a firearm is the legality of doing so.

You can't conceal a shotgun very easily hence it is not portable if the law prohibits it.

Do you understand now ?




We can address the other dishonest claim of yours as soon as we finish with this one. For now, the readers probably understand that your claim as to what I claimed is not the truth.
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Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.


So once we've dispelled the first of your lies, we can address the second.
 
Rich2018 said:
This is because your naive criteria for portability for a firearm is a dictionary definition (in so much as dictionaries define words)

In my last exercise as an infantryman, I carried a 25 lb belt-fed machine gun, so I know perfectly well that an adult has the strength to lift and carry a shotgun - more intentional dishonesty from you to suggest I don't
However my criteria for portability for a firearm is the legality of doing so.

You can't conceal a shotgun very easily hence it is not portable if the law prohibits it.

Do you understand now ?







Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.


So once we've dispelled the first of your lies, we can address the second.
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Sorry. I prefer we discuss things in English rather than your private language. Shotguns are a portable firearm. End of story.
 
RF667799 said:
Sorry. I prefer we discuss things in English rather than your private language. Shotguns are a portable firearm. End of story.
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I was discussing CRITERIA

Do you not understand what "criteria" means ?


It is not using another form of language


Definition of criterion
1: a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based
the university's criteria for admission
2: a characterizing mark or trait


Was the language used familiar to you at all ?


Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
 
Rich2018 said:
I was discussing CRITERIA

Do you not understand what "criteria" means ?


It is not using another form of language


Definition of criterion
1: a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based
the university's criteria for admission
2: a characterizing mark or trait


Was the language used familiar to you at all ?


Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
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Page after page you pursue your ludicrous assertion that a shotgun is not portable.


Definition of portable (Entry 1 of 2)

1a : capable of being carried or moved about
//a portable TV

b : characterized by portability
//a portable pension

It's almost as if you are trying to deflect from my original post. We simply can't go on until you have conceded your rather transparent lies.
 
RF667799 said:
Page after page you pursue your ludicrous assertion that a shotgun is not portable.
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Because it's not

Walk down a street with a shotgun, where carrying a gun is illegal, and see how "ludicrous" it is


Definition of portable
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Definition of "criteria" (entry 2)

Definition of criterion
1: a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based
the university's criteria for admission
2: a characterizing mark or trait


I just ran a spell check and found Webster's on-line dictionary are using ENGLISH - so even you can understand it



Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
 
Rich2018 said:
Because it's not

Walk down a street with a shotgun, where carrying a gun is illegal, and see how "ludicrous" it is




Definition of "criteria" (entry 2)

Definition of criterion
1: a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based
the university's criteria for admission
2: a characterizing mark or trait


I just ran a spell check and found Webster's on-line dictionary are using ENGLISH - so even you can understand it



Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
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Can you show that alleged claim?

And sorry but shotguns are a portable firearm in the English language.
 
RF667799 said:
Can you show that alleged claim?
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Sorry, show what happens if you walk down the street with a shotgun, in a place where it's illegal ?



And sorry but shotguns are a portable firearm in the English language.
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You sound like Fledermaus

Yes, you can carry a shotgun
No, you can't carry a shotgun in a place where it's illegal to do so

You have a child-like criteria for "portable" in the context of firearms


Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
 
Rich2018 said:
Sorry, show what happens if you walk down the street with a shotgun, in a place where it's illegal ?






You sound like Fledermaus

Yes, you can carry a shotgun
No, you can't carry a shotgun in a place where it's illegal to do so

You have a child-like criteria for "portable" in the context of firearms


Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
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You go on claiming that a shotgun isn't portable and the rest of us will laugh at your tortured avoidance.
 
RF667799 said:
You go on claiming that a shotgun isn't portable and the rest of us will laugh at your tortured avoidance.
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If you go on, claiming a shotgun is a "portable" firearms, in a place where firearms are banned, you will continue to expose your lack of knowledge about guns

Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
 
Rich2018 said:
If you go on, claiming a shotgun is a "portable" firearms, in a place where firearms are banned, you will continue to expose your lack of knowledge about guns

Still waiting for you to back up your (dishonest) claim that a shotgun can offer "respectable and sustained" RoF when compared to a semi-auto rifle.
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If someone is so disposed, they can carry a shotgun where it is illegal. Because it's portable,you see.

Btw rifles are portable too.
 
Rich2018 said:
Be careful with that accusation, using that word will get you banned

I have a CCW because it makes sense to get one before you buy a gun. Like getting a driver's license before buying a car.


I've never been to San Bernardino so I can't comment on the laws there - but if you think you need a gun to be secure in walking the streets there, you're living in the wrong place or you're unduly paranoid.


It's interesting that gun owners will claim that the UK has seen a rise in crime, above US levels, since the gun ban to suggest that banning guns cause crime to go up. Yet will cite high US crime to justify their guns.
Sorry sir, I don't believe you.
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Number one, yes I am living in the wrong place. Like I said, I cannot leave. Shortly after we moved here is when it started getting really bad. Number two, what do you mean by not believing me?
 
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