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Rich2018

Rich2018

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Breaking news:


"Seven people including the gunman have reportedly been killed in a shooting at the MillerCoors campus in Milwaukee.

Police responded to the business, which is now owned by the Molson Coors Brewing Company, on Wednesday afternoon following reports of an active shooter.

Law enforcement sources have told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that at least seven people are dead.

The gunman was an employee who had been fired earlier in the day but returned with a silencer gun and opened fire, police sources told CBS2. One source said he returned to the workplace after stealing the name tag of another employee. "



Police respond to 'active shooting at MillerCoors in Milwaukee | Daily Mail Online




It looks like he was an "honest citizen" before today with "legally owned" guns


My own company fired an employee two years ago that was a gun owner...this is the threat of guns we all live with.
 
It's not the guns fault. The peraon who stole a badge in order to commit the crime is fully and solely to blame.
 
Chillfolks said:
It's not the guns fault. The peraon who stole a badge in order to commit the crime is fully and solely to blame.
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???

Gun's fault ?

Who said it was ?


The gun sure made a difference to how the disgruntled employee settled his dispute though.
 
Rich2018 said:
It looks like he was an "honest citizen" before today with "legally owned" guns
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Well if it was a legally-owned gun...why didnt the laws stop him?

I realize you have stated you'd like to ban all guns but since that is impossible (see: war on drugs, prohibition)...why do continually propose more and more laws restricting guns?

A few more laws may stop a few more shootings...but as Bum's daily postings prove...they may also protect a few more lives.

I see no moral or public safety advantage on your perspective.

"Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free."

It's not up to the govt to protect you when you have the ability to protect yourself. If you act the victim, you may end up one.
 
Lursa said:
Well if it was a legally-owned gun...why didnt the laws stop him?
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Exactly


I realize you have stated you'd like to ban all guns but since that is impossible (see: war on drugs, prohibition)...
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Really - in what post # was that ?


why do continually propose more and more laws restricting guns?
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To stop incidents like in the OP
Doh!


It's not up to the govt to protect you...
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Yes it is, absolutely 100% yes it is

Why do you think there is a police force ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Exactly




Really - in what post # was that ?




To stop incidents like in the OP
Doh!




Yes it is, absolutely 100% yes it is

Why do you think there is a police force ?
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The Supreme Court has ruled police do not have a duty to protect the citizenry from harm
 
Rich2018 said:
Exactly

Really - in what post # was that ?

To stop incidents like in the OP
Doh!

Yes it is, absolutely 100% yes it is

Why do you think there is a police force ?
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You have written many times you want all guns banned. Are you denying it? Yes or no?

How many people did the police save in the shooting today? Not 5 or 6. Do you carry a cop around with you? Do they appear instantaneously? Yeah...that's how stupid your answer was.

And I'll erroneously and self-indulgently paraphrase Einstein again: the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

We have gun laws, we have cops. Didnt stop shooting.

how about our society some how fixing males instead? (Hmmm....yeah, surgicallly would probably actually make a difference! LOL but that pun isnt what I originally meant.)
 
Chillfolks said:
The Supreme Court has ruled police do not have a duty to protect the citizenry from harm
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Hmmm then what do they do with their time if not protecting us ?


You're speaking of an individual policeman in an individual instance.
 
Rich2018 said:
Hmmm then what do they do with their time if not protecting us ?


You're speaking of an individual policeman in an individual instance.
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I am speaking on a ruling the Supreme Court made that directly counters your idea that police have a duty to protect the citizenry.
 
Lursa said:
You have written many times you want all guns banned. Are you denying it? Yes or no?
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Yes, you have now made a positive claim. I challenge you to substantiate it or withdraw it


How many people did the police save in the shooting today? Not 5 or 6. Do you carry a cop around with you? Do they appear instantaneously? Yeah...that's how stupid your answer was.
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The police can't be everywhere

But where they exist, what do you think they are doing if not protecting us ?


And I'll erroneously and self-indulgently paraphrase Einstein again: the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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The first part was wright, you were erroneous.

And when was it done a first time, and what was the result ?
Oh I forgot, you were quoting in error.



We have gun laws, we have cops. Didnt stop shooting.

how about our society some how fixing males instead? (Hmmm....yeah, surgicallly would probably actually make a difference! LOL but that pun isnt what I originally meant.)
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Well Veritas is poster on here who says that increased sentences would work and stop gun crime.

Myself, whilst not rejecting his approach, feel that a ban on guns* is the answer.


*note not all.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes, you have now made a positive claim. I challenge you to substantiate it or withdraw it
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I'll give it awhile, someone else will probably do so. For now, I stand by my claim that you have written your preferred solution would be banning guns.

Oh look here:

Rich2018 said:
Myself, whilst not rejecting his approach, feel that a ban on guns* is the answer.

*note not all.
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Sure, I'll concede the 'all' part.
 
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Rich2018 said:
The police can't be everywhere

But where they exist, what do you think they are doing if not protecting us ?
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Who cares if they're not where *I* need them *when* I need them.

Are you proposing personal cops for every American? LOL that would be about as stupid as suggesting that cops that 'cant be everywhere' are even a substantial partial solution to stopping shootings.
The first part was wright, you were erroneous.

And when was it done a first time, and what was the result ?
Oh I forgot, you were quoting in error
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Yes, that response works when you have no ability to actually counter my statements.

Er: more laws, when the current ones arent working, in many cases because they arent even being properly or consistently enforced.

So it's stupid to create more failed legal mechanisms.


Well Veritas is poster on here who says that increased sentences would work and stop gun crime.

Myself, whilst not rejecting his approach, feel that a ban on guns* is the answer.

*note not all.
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Who is Veritas? And what are his credentials?
 
Rich2018 said:
It looks like he was an "honest citizen" before today with "legally owned" guns
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So what is your point: That the guns made him do it? That had he not had guns he couldn't have used a knife, a hammer, ran people over with his car, or burned the building down and harmed people that way?

This is the irrational nature of the gun grabber thinking. MILLIONS of people get laid off or fired from their jobs. Tens of thousands of them are gun owners, and they do not become inspired to commit murder. Your irrational fear of guns is just that--- not based in any reality.

You want to save American lives, outlaw McDonalds and Coca-Cola if you believe in a nanny state so much. Today's shooting was a terrible incident, but very rare in terms of the overall numbers of legal, empathetic, and law abiding gun owners.... all of whom have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT that protects them to own those guns.

Like I said, go after McDonalds and Coca-Cola if you want to feel good about saving the little children. There is no constitutional right to Big Mac or a Big Gulp, so that should be an easier fight to take on. And of course good luck with that too... LOL! People love their Happy Meals and Mountain Dew most of them democrats.
 
Lursa said:
Who cares if they're not where *I* need them *when* I need them...
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I would guess YOU would care


Are you proposing personal cops for every American? LOL that would be about as stupid as suggesting that cops that 'cant be everywhere' are even a substantial partial solution to stopping shootings.
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Oddly enough, no


Yes, that response works when you have no ability to actually counter my statements.
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I thought I'd countered all of them

Now with regard to that often quoted line - what has been tried before, failed, and seen another attempt ?


...more laws, when the current ones arent working, in many cases because they arent even being properly or consistently enforced.
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Which laws aren't working, and which laws are not being enforced to your current satisfaction ?



So it's stupid to create more failed legal mechanisms.
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So if a laws fails to achieve its desired effect, it's stupid to enact a better law ?

Wouldn't that attitude declare all 27 amendments of the Constitution "stupid" ?


Who is Veritas? And what are his credentials?
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In that order, he is a poster on here and I've no idea.
 
Rich2018 said:
Breaking news:


"Seven people including the gunman have reportedly been killed in a shooting at the MillerCoors campus in Milwaukee.

Police responded to the business, which is now owned by the Molson Coors Brewing Company, on Wednesday afternoon following reports of an active shooter.

Law enforcement sources have told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that at least seven people are dead.

The gunman was an employee who had been fired earlier in the day but returned with a silencer gun and opened fire, police sources told CBS2. One source said he returned to the workplace after stealing the name tag of another employee. "



Police respond to 'active shooting at MillerCoors in Milwaukee | Daily Mail Online




It looks like he was an "honest citizen" before today with "legally owned" guns


My own company fired an employee two years ago that was a gun owner...this is the threat of guns we all live with.
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Why do we all have to live this way? Why can't guns be registered and only purchased when the perspective owner has been vetted with a background check.
 
Court Jester said:
So what is your point: That the guns made him do it?
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No, that they allowed him or enabled him to do it


That had he not had guns he couldn't have used a knife, a hammer, ran people over with his car, or burned the building down and harmed people that way?
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Sure, but in places where guns are banned these are hardly an everyday occurrence. A quite ridiculous argument


This is the irrational nature of the gun grabber thinking. MILLIONS of people get laid off or fired from their jobs. Tens of thousands of them are gun owners, and they do not become inspired to commit murder....
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No, and your response typifies the gun owners retreat into a defensive mindset.
It does happen, millions of kids go to school but only a tiny minority go there with a gun intending to kill everyone

Millions of Muslims fly commercial airplanes but only a minuscule amount try to hijack them - yet guns and knives are banned on planes and on airport concourses...and we now have the TSA.


...today's shooting was a terrible incident, but very rare in terms of the overall numbers of legal, empathetic, and law abiding gun owners....
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More than one mass shooting per day in 2019

How many "honest civilians" turning mass shooter would it take to change your mind ?


Like I said, go after McDonalds and Coca-Cola if you want to feel good about saving the little children....
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What about alcohol, nicotine and swimming pools ?


More what-about-ism


There is no constitutional right to Big Mac ...
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Have you not kept up with the debate ?

No gun ban can work unless the 2nd amendment is repealed:


John Paul Stevens, Retired Supreme Court Justice, Calls For 2nd Amendment Repeal : NPR


So no, if there was a gun ban you would NOT have any such right.
 
Rich2018 said:
In other words, you can't




Well thank you

That's the second time a poster has retracted that allegation today.
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It doesnt change much. You are for banning guns and way more gun restrictions. To drastic levels.

I dont care if you do have a cc permit...I know, from online, of several people with superior attitudes that think that they're special and that cc permits should be much harder to get.
 
Wry Catcher said:
Why do we all have to live this way? Why can't guns be registered and only purchased when the perspective owner has been vetted with a background check.
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Because you can pass a background check today and become a mass shooter tomorrow.

The movie "Minority Report" is science fiction.
 
Lursa said:
It doesnt change much. You are for banning guns and way more gun restrictions. To drastic levels.
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What is your criteria for "drastic"

I dont care if you do have a cc permit...I know, from online, of several people with superior attitudes that think that they're special and that cc permits should be much harder to get.
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They should be

I got mine with zero questions to test gun knowledge and zero training.
 
Rich2018 said:
I would guess YOU would care




Oddly enough, no




I thought I'd countered all of them

Now with regard to that often quoted line - what has been tried before, failed, and seen another attempt ?




Which laws aren't working, and which laws are not being enforced to your current satisfaction ?





So if a laws fails to achieve its desired effect, it's stupid to enact a better law ?

Wouldn't that attitude declare all 27 amendments of the Constitution "stupid" ?




In that order, he is a poster on here and I've no idea.
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All that has been covered many times in these threads with you involved.

We have background checks required at stores...and yet...when people go in to buy and fail the check, there is no follow up. Failure. That is one of the things my state is looking at changing.

Failures in actually identifying prohibited people that *are already flagged in the system* and still sold guns. Communication and bureaucratic error. See: Dylan Roof, Cruz FL shooting, TX Church shooting.

Just a couple of examples.

Yup, stupid to create new laws when you cant even enforce the ones you have and thus, dont even know if they'd work. (But hey, let's create new laws that we may not even need...and still wont be enforced! :doh)

I'm not really for many, if any, new laws. I'd like the current ones, overall, enforced, that are supposed to protect our rights.
 
Rich2018 said:
What is your criteria for "drastic"




They should be

I got mine with zero questions to test gun knowledge and zero training.
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Just reading your posts. I'm not going to jump thru hoops for you. We've all seen your posts and we'll all see more.

And I got mine with zero questions and zero training, more than 10 yrs ago...and havent shot anyone yet.

Muchas gracias!

There are hundreds of millions of guns in the hands of millions of legal gun owners and even with a shooting today, .0001% of those gun owners managed not to shoot anyone. I like those odds. If they still make you nervous, I'm not sure how you leave the house every day with everything else that can kill you...esp cars with a much greater risk.
 
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