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[W:112, 773]The Gun Show "Loophole"

Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

Rich2018 said:
My mistake, you are right. The attacks were made with a stolen gun.

I seem to remember the attacks led to concern over gun shows...so maybe he bought some gun from one.


I saw a YouTube video where a private investigator showed a woman reporter how to buy a gun from an ad - I think it was a craig's List.
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I doubt it was Craigslist they don't allow guns sold on their site. More than likely it was off a website that is devoted to selling firearms. Either way buying a gun online is a good way to get a good deal or find a specific firearm one is interested in. Personally I've never had a bad experience.
 
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TypicalRussian said:
yeah, common sense gun control makes no sense
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you have to understand the dichotomy. To me and you-common sense would mean laws that will have an objective impact on violent crime rates and are fashioned to decrease violent gun crime. To gun banners, common sense means laws that will

1) allow anti gun politicians to pander to low wattage, low information voters

2) will harass pro gun voters as much as possible

3) and will be supported by the anti gun members of the MSM
 
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Chillfolks said:
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I doubt it was Craigslist they don't allow guns sold on their site. More than likely it was off a website that is devoted to selling firearms. Either way buying a gun online is a good way to get a good deal or find a specific firearm one is interested in. Personally I've never had a bad experience.
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Be wary of any "stories" gun-banners tell. Most are false or only partially true. Fantasies like about people are buying machine guns online and having it mailed to their double-wide. You and I both know that's not how it works, but they'll certainly push the idea as if it were true.
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

TypicalRussian said:
Doesn't exist



https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

This is from the U.S Bureau of Justice Statistics.Clearly criminals don't get their guns at gun shows and there is no loophole. Criminals do not buy guns at gun shows in alarming rates, certainly not alarming compared to where a lot of criminals get their guns, illegal sources. In fact most criminals in Chicago get their guns not even from gun stores by rather just their friends or gang markets.

This is something I do not get about the common sense gun control reformists, why do you want to ban gun shows?Enough of this hysteria
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Most people who are concerned about the gun show loophole have never been near one. Hence the lack of knowledge of what actually transpires. From my on the ground observation:

The vast majority of vendors are FFL licensed dealers selling firearms and related accessories. And doing BGC's where applicable. A few are selling food, drinks and the like. Then there's that guy in the far right rear corner selling grandpas old inherited guns off a card table, something he could legally do in the street outside.

There are dozens of LEO everywhere. Cash talks and there is a lot of it at the typical show. Hence the need for police presence.

That's about it. The rules are the same within the show as on the street outside. They get folowed.
 
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Point is dealers don't get away with posing as private sales at gun shows. That's not really a thing.
 
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Chillfolks said:
How many is that number? I've heard that some states limit the number before you need a FFL but have never seen any number ona federal level. All I've ever seen are vague terms never a specific number.
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I think it has more to do with intent rather than an fixed number. If you are buying with the intent of reselling then more than a very few will get you in trouble. Your own collection? Not a problem.

Some state laws differ. Va for a while had a one gun a month purchase law. I don't think that applied to sellers.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Who cares, the "gun show loophole" misses the debate by miles.

The more you empower criminal enterprise to fulfill demand the more they will, all evidence supporting.
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Are you aware of any gun used in a mass shooting that was purchased at a gun show? Purchasing from a dealer at a venue crawling with LEO doesn't seem like a wise move.
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

Rich2018 said:
My mistake, you are right. The attacks were made with a stolen gun.

I seem to remember the attacks led to concern over gun shows...so maybe he bought some gun from one.


I saw a YouTube video where a private investigator showed a woman reporter how to buy a gun from an ad - I think it was a craig's List.
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I don't think there was more than the Bushmaster involved in this incident.
 
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vegas giants said:
Private sales
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Not really. VT, Vegas, Parkland, Aurora, bought legally. Roseburg, purchased by a friend. Sandy Hook, stolen from murdered mom. Seems like there is no pattern. I don't remember a private sale or gun show purchase.
 
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Royal PITA said:
Agreed, at least how the gun-banners are proposing it. As the gun banners on this and other threads reveal, they are interested in restricting rights, not expanding them or helping others in need of mental health care.
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Agreed. Before I buy into the gun control laws, somebody needs to tell me how a collapsible or pistol grip stock, flash surpressor, bayonet mount (but not a bayonet), a hole drilled in the stock. barrel shroud, etc. somehow makes a gun more deadly. Those are the current criteria for lethal military grade killing machines.
 
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jimbo said:
Not really. VT, Vegas, Parkland, Aurora, bought legally. Roseburg, purchased by a friend. Sandy Hook, stolen from murdered mom. Seems like there is no pattern. I don't remember a private sale or gun show purchase.
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Those are mass shootings....not all shootings
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

TypicalRussian said:
Doesn't exist



https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

This is from the U.S Bureau of Justice Statistics.Clearly criminals don't get their guns at gun shows and there is no loophole. Criminals do not buy guns at gun shows in alarming rates, certainly not alarming compared to where a lot of criminals get their guns, illegal sources. In fact most criminals in Chicago get their guns not even from gun stores by rather just their friends or gang markets.

This is something I do not get about the common sense gun control reformists, why do you want to ban gun shows?Enough of this hysteria
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Where do these guns come from?
 
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vegas giants said:
Those are mass shootings....not all shootings
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True. Murders fall into 3 categories. Mass, domestic, and street. Each acquires the weapon in a different way. Few if any are directly from gun shows. Street bought from street dealers. Very few are legal. Domestic are weapons of convenience. I don't know how you control street weapons. Certainly not by restricting legal weapons.
 
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jimbo said:
True. Murders fall into 3 categories. Mass, domestic, and street. Each acquires the weapon in a different way. Few if any are directly from gun shows. Street bought from street dealers. Very few are legal. Domestic are weapons of convenience. I don't know how you control street weapons. Certainly not by restricting legal weapons.
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80% or more of murders with firearms are committed by people who cannot legally own a firearm at the time they killed someone. In other words, they were committing a felony by merely possessing a firearm before they committed the first degree felony of murder. Only morons think that gun control laws will prevent such murders since those killers are not deterred by the 5-10 years one gets for being a felon in possession or the 20-to life one usually gets for first degree murder
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

jimbo said:
Agreed. Before I buy into the gun control laws, somebody needs to tell me how a collapsible or pistol grip stock, flash surpressor, bayonet mount (but not a bayonet), a hole drilled in the stock. barrel shroud, etc. somehow makes a gun more deadly. Those are the current criteria for lethal military grade killing machines.
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They are fear-mongering by going after the "scary-looking guns" first and then working their way down. Notice that Bernie is also going after "high capacity magazines". If they successfully passed that ban, how long before they say "Banning anything over 10 rounds was good so banning anything over 5 rounds is better!"? How long after that do they go to no magazines at all leaving only single-shot or double-barreled shotguns?
 
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TurtleDude said:
mainly straw purchasers (a felony) and from other felons
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Tonight Bernie was talking about closing the strawman purchase loophole. WTF was he talking about? It's already illegal to make a straw man purchase. I suspect he was dancing around a California-like law where any transfer of a firearm requires a background check like a father giving his 14 year old son a hunting shotgun.
 
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Royal PITA said:
Tonight Bernie was talking about closing the strawman purchase loophole. WTF was he talking about? It's already illegal to make a straw man purchase. I suspect he was dancing around a California-like law where any transfer of a firearm requires a background check like a father giving his 14 year old son a hunting shotgun.
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He's a goofy nutcase who essentially sucked off the public tit all his life. He hasn't a clue about guns or gun laws
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

Royal PITA said:
Tonight Bernie was talking about closing the strawman purchase loophole. WTF was he talking about? It's already illegal to make a straw man purchase. I suspect he was dancing around a California-like law where any transfer of a firearm requires a background check like a father giving his 14 year old son a hunting shotgun.
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Bernie is a typical leftist dumbass that spouts anti gun rhetoric when the topic comes up, not knowing enough about the topic to be conversant on the topic and not caring enough about gun deaths in the country to address the actual problems.
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

jimbo said:
True. Murders fall into 3 categories. Mass, domestic, and street. Each acquires the weapon in a different way. Few if any are directly from gun shows. Street bought from street dealers. Very few are legal. Domestic are weapons of convenience. I don't know how you control street weapons. Certainly not by restricting legal weapons.
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Yes most are bought in private sales....thus the loophole
 
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vegas giants said:
Yes most are bought in private sales....thus the loophole
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If you are talking about ghetto firearms most are bought and sold illegally. There' no reason to believe another law would change that.
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

jimbo said:
If you are talking about ghetto firearms most are bought and sold illegally. There' no reason to believe another law would change that.
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Well that is your opinion. Registration could help.


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