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[W:112, 773]The Gun Show "Loophole"

Aberration said:
Wrong conversation. We aren’t taking about slavery.
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It's called an "analogy"

If a gun owner's opinion on gun control is more important than a "gun banner" regarding gun control , why would a slave owner's opinion count for more than an abolitionist regarding slavery ?
 
Rich2018 said:
It's called an "analogy"

If a gun owner's opinion on gun control is more important than a "gun banner" regarding gun control , why would a slave owner's opinion count for more than an abolitionist regarding slavery ?
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Because owning a gun isn't the same as subjugating one's fellow man to slavery.
 
Samwise said:
Because owning a gun isn't the same as subjugating one's fellow man to slavery.
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No it's not. But in both instances we're talking about the right to own something - be in guns or other humans.


Restricting opinion in the gun control debate to gun owners, is akin to restricting opinion in the abolitionist debate to only slave owners


Or if you like, restricting opinion for child porn laws to only pedophiles


What do you think would be the outcome in all three debates over ownership ?
 
Rich2018 said:
No it's not. But in both instances we're talking about the right to own something - be in guns or other humans.


Restricting opinion in the gun control debate to gun owners, is akin to restricting opinion in the abolitionist debate to only slave owners


Or if you like, restricting opinion for child porn laws to only pedophiles


What do you think would be the outcome in all three debates over ownership ?
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except one doesn't have any right to own another humans.
 
Rich2018 said:
So are you saying that only those with the right to own a gun can have an opinion on gun control ?
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No. I'm saying that nobody has the right to own his fellow man.
 
Rich2018 said:
The 13th amendment settled that.


Before that, the right to own property applied.
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You seriously think that owning a tool is comparable to enslaving one's fellow man?
 
Samwise said:
You seriously think that owning a tool is comparable to enslaving one's fellow man?
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No, just that attempts to ban ownership of both have been made,

And preventing non-gun owners from having a say in gun control is akin to preventing abolitionists having a voice in the banning of slavery.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, just that attempts to ban ownership of both have been made,

And preventing non-gun owners from having a say in gun control is akin to preventing abolitionists having a voice in the banning of slavery.
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But owning a gun is nothing at all like enslaving one's fellow man. The analogy doesn't hold.
 
Samwise said:
But owning a gun is nothing at all like enslaving one's fellow man.
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How so ?




Here's another analogy, how about only letting drug addicts vote on whether to legalize drugs....ar you more comfortable with that ?
 
Rich2018 said:
How so ?




Here's another analogy, how about only letting drug addicts vote on whether to legalize drugs....ar you more comfortable with that ?
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Not really. If we are going to have an election, everyone should be allowed to vote.
 
Samwise said:
Not really. If we are going to have an election, everyone should be allowed to vote.
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I agree.

Well we need some basic qualifications, age, not being incarcerated etc
I think legal residents who live in the USA and pay taxes should be allowed to vote
I also think all eligible voters must be registered and every state must be obliged to register them
Furthermore I think attendance at a voting station should be mandatory on election day (you don't have to vote but you should have to show up)


I think every voter (whether or not they have even touched a gun) should vote on gun control.
 
Rich2018 said:
That's wrong and sexist

Sure women become infertile long before men

That doesn't mean they're not active and there's no reason a woman can't do a job at 70, that she did at 30.


Unless of course she;s physically injured, but that can happen to men too...probably even more so.
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That is not sexist, that is an observable fact,Men work longer and retire after, women usually take a break in their thirties to stay home and then return after, there is no problem with that, this is why the Wage Gap is false
 
TypicalRussian said:
That is not sexist, that is an observable fact,Men work longer and retire after, women usually take a break in their thirties to stay home and then return after, there is no problem with that, this is why the Wage Gap is false
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Yes it is

You're making an observation that men work to a higher age than women, who retire earlier than men.
(And that's NOT why there's a wage gap - that is sexist thinking)


BUT you're drawing a conclusion that, that is because women physically NEED to retire earlier.
THAT is sexist and that is what you have absolutely no evidence for.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes it is

You're making an observation that men work to a higher age than women, who retire earlier than men.
(And that's NOT why there's a wage gap - that is sexist thinking)


BUT you're drawing a conclusion that, that is because women physically NEED to retire earlier.
THAT is sexist and that is what you have absolutely no evidence for.
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Do you hate biology or something? Men can have kids up to their 80's while women lose it at their 50's.

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Women re more likely to work less hours and take more vacation days, whats wrong with that
 
TypicalRussian said:
Do you hate biology or something? Men can have kids up to their 80's while women lose it at their 50's.
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So what ?

Does that have ANYTHING to do with retirement ages or wage gaps ?


Women re more likely to work less hours and take more vacation days, whats wrong with that
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Nothing but you seem to suggest that they NEED to work less and retire earlier due to physiological needs
A sexist claim for which you have no evidence for.
 
Rich2018 said:
So what ?

Does that have ANYTHING to do with retirement ages or wage gaps ?




Nothing but you seem to suggest that they NEED to work less and retire earlier due to physiological needs
A sexist claim for which you have no evidence for.
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yeah that does have to o with retirement, men can still have kids so they work longer and retire later
 
TypicalRussian said:
yeah that does have to o with retirement, men can still have kids so they work longer and retire later
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Why does having kids make you work less and/or retire earlier ?

You keep spouting these sexist opinions but offer zero evidence, just your bigotry.
 
Rich2018 said:
Why does having kids make you work less and/or retire earlier ?

You keep spouting these sexist opinions but offer zero evidence, just your bigotry.
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If you kids late, you have to provide for them later in life so you work longer

Typical left-wing shaming, bigot, sexist,blah,blah,blah
 
TypicalRussian said:
If you kids late, you have to provide for them later in life so you work longer
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So what ?

Are you saying that women work less and retire earlier because of physical limitations ?


Typical RW wriggling by avoiding the question


Typical left-wing shaming, bigot, sexist,blah,blah,blah
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Do you feel shamed because of your sexism and bigotry ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So what ?

Are you saying that women work less and retire earlier because of physical limitations ?


Typical RW wriggling by avoiding the question





Do you feel shamed because of your sexism and bigotry ?
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I am not sexist nor a bigot,

Are you saying that women work less and retire earlier because of physical limitations ?
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Yes. But thats ok
 
TypicalRussian said:
Yes. But thats ok
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Then that's a sexist and bigoted thing to say and you do so with no evidence.

Any healthy woman at 70 can do a job that she did a 30.


Their earlier retirement age is purely based on Western culture, nothing more.
 
Rich2018 said:
Then that's a sexist and bigoted thing to say and you do so with no evidence.

Any healthy woman at 70 can do a job that she did a 30.


Their earlier retirement age is purely based on Western culture, nothing more.
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Absolutely not, no women or man can do as good as a job as they did 40 years earlier, impossible
 
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