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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by TypicalRussian View Post
    its why its called control
    Agreed. If they were really interested in saving lives, they'd focus on better mental health care and legislation backing it up.
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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Massive loophole. That illegal gun came from somewhere
    from friends and underground markets, not gun shows

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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I've seen the legislation, Florida iirc, at about if not 20. Maybe it's 50 some states. Even that is not enough for a private collector to upgrade a collection. Collectors of other items buy and sell hundreds per year. Toys, signs, cars, you name it. No other collector is restricted in sales per year.

    Cops know damn well the privates at a show and how many they've sold this year, each and every one.
    The number is not important, its whether the ATF believes you are in the business of selling guns. A man who has just inherited his father's 200 gun collection, might well sell 50 guns and not be seen as a dealer while I know of two cases where one sale caused a bust. In both cases, a guy was at a gun show purportedly selling his "privately owned" firearms and thus he claimed he didn't need an FFL nor did he need to perform the brady check or issue a 4473. yet in both cases, the "private dealer" bought a gun from another private individual and within a few minutes after the seller had departed-put the gun on the his table for sale. The ATF correctly held that these two individuals were engaged in the business of buying and selling guns and thus needed a license.
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by Royal PITA View Post
    Agreed. If they were really interested in saving lives, they'd focus on better mental health care and legislation backing it up.
    yeah, common sense gun control makes no sense

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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by TypicalRussian View Post
    yeah, common sense gun control makes no sense
    Agreed, at least how the gun-banners are proposing it. As the gun banners on this and other threads reveal, they are interested in restricting rights, not expanding them or helping others in need of mental health care.
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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    My mistake, you are right. The attacks were made with a stolen gun.

    I seem to remember the attacks led to concern over gun shows...so maybe he bought some gun from one.


    I saw a YouTube video where a private investigator showed a woman reporter how to buy a gun from an ad - I think it was a craig's List.


    I doubt it was Craigslist they don't allow guns sold on their site. More than likely it was off a website that is devoted to selling firearms. Either way buying a gun online is a good way to get a good deal or find a specific firearm one is interested in. Personally I've never had a bad experience.

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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by TypicalRussian View Post
    yeah, common sense gun control makes no sense
    you have to understand the dichotomy. To me and you-common sense would mean laws that will have an objective impact on violent crime rates and are fashioned to decrease violent gun crime. To gun banners, common sense means laws that will

    1) allow anti gun politicians to pander to low wattage, low information voters

    2) will harass pro gun voters as much as possible

    3) and will be supported by the anti gun members of the MSM
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
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    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chillfolks View Post
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    I doubt it was Craigslist they don't allow guns sold on their site. More than likely it was off a website that is devoted to selling firearms. Either way buying a gun online is a good way to get a good deal or find a specific firearm one is interested in. Personally I've never had a bad experience.
    Be wary of any "stories" gun-banners tell. Most are false or only partially true. Fantasies like about people are buying machine guns online and having it mailed to their double-wide. You and I both know that's not how it works, but they'll certainly push the idea as if it were true.
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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Quote Originally Posted by TypicalRussian View Post
    Doesn't exist



    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

    This is from the U.S Bureau of Justice Statistics.Clearly criminals don't get their guns at gun shows and there is no loophole. Criminals do not buy guns at gun shows in alarming rates, certainly not alarming compared to where a lot of criminals get their guns, illegal sources. In fact most criminals in Chicago get their guns not even from gun stores by rather just their friends or gang markets.

    This is something I do not get about the common sense gun control reformists, why do you want to ban gun shows?Enough of this hysteria
    Most people who are concerned about the gun show loophole have never been near one. Hence the lack of knowledge of what actually transpires. From my on the ground observation:

    The vast majority of vendors are FFL licensed dealers selling firearms and related accessories. And doing BGC's where applicable. A few are selling food, drinks and the like. Then there's that guy in the far right rear corner selling grandpas old inherited guns off a card table, something he could legally do in the street outside.

    There are dozens of LEO everywhere. Cash talks and there is a lot of it at the typical show. Hence the need for police presence.

    That's about it. The rules are the same within the show as on the street outside. They get folowed.

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    Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

    Point is dealers don't get away with posing as private sales at gun shows. That's not really a thing.

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