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[W:112, 773]The Gun Show "Loophole"

Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

vegas giants said:
And I appreciate that. Gun registration already exists in lots of places even in the US. They tend to have low gun deaths. The same is true in first world countries all over the world. If you bought from a dealer it is already defacto registered. I am mostly looking to close the loopholes
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I just don't see the benefit of a registration especially since the very people you would want registered simply wont comply. Throw in the fact that it is incredibly dangerous for the government to have that kind of information (even if mostly incomplete due to noncompliance) and it seems to me that the negatives far outweigh any positives.
 
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Nap said:
I just don't see the benefit of a registration especially since the very people you would want registered simply wont comply. Throw in the fact that it is incredibly dangerous for the government to have that kind of information (even if mostly incomplete due to noncompliance) and it seems to me that the negatives far outweigh any positives.
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You currently are registered with the government in a dozen ways. No one even questions that
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

apdst said:
Thousands of guns taken under Red Flag law, but South Florida lags in applying it - South Florida Sun Sentinel - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
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Surrendering guns under a court order is not gun confiscation. Are you suggesting those whose firearms were surrendered in Florida should be able to keep them? Here is an example of one of the cases:

Guns seized from 3 Volusia residents under new 'red flag' law - News - The Florida Times-Union - Jacksonville, FL

Should Ty Buscoe have been allowed to keep his guns?
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

VanceMack said:
Bernie is a typical leftist dumbass that spouts anti gun rhetoric when the topic comes up, not knowing enough about the topic to be conversant on the topic and not caring enough about gun deaths in the country to address the actual problems.
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Unfortunately true. He uses emotional rhetoric with distorted "facts" to push an agenda. It's very deceitful. I've yet to see a single Democratic leader push better mental health care and supporting legislation as a primary means to save lives from gun violence. Like last night, Bernie was just like all Democratic leaders who spout about tens of thousands of "gun deaths" or "gun violence" then hide the fact 2/3s of those tragedies are suicides. Actual gun murders are around 12,000 and most of those are with handguns.
 
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BlueTex said:
Surrendering guns under a court order is not gun confiscation. Are you suggesting those whose firearms were surrendered in Florida should be able to keep them? Here is an example of one of the cases:

Guns seized from 3 Volusia residents under new 'red flag' law - News - The Florida Times-Union - Jacksonville, FL

Should Ty Buscoe have been allowed to keep his guns?
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Buscoe committed a few crimes without the red flag law so he would have lost that gun anyway.

What is the process for an innocent American to have their pistol returned if the complaint against them was spurious? Did you see the other threads were the Feds are confiscating money and keeping it even though no crime was committed? Do you really want to give even more unfettered power to our government?
 
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BlueTex said:
The meme culture at work...

https://checkyourfact.com/2019/02/11/fact-check-dianne-feinstein-turn-em-all-in-outright-ban/
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Thanks for the link proving me correct. From your link:
Verdict: True

Feinstein made the statement in 1995 during an episode of “60 Minutes.” She appears to have been referring to assault-style weapons, not all guns.


After Obama's 2013 gun control bill failed I asked several gun-grabbers like yourself "If that bill had passed, would you have been satisfied that provided sufficient gun control in the United States and that you'd never mention the subject again?" None ever answered the question presumably because the answer would have been a resounding "No."


Now do this one: :D
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Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

BlueTex said:
Surrendering guns under a court order is not gun confiscation. Are you suggesting those whose firearms were surrendered in Florida should be able to keep them? Here is an example of one of the cases:

Guns seized from 3 Volusia residents under new 'red flag' law - News - The Florida Times-Union - Jacksonville, FL

Should Ty Buscoe have been allowed to keep his guns?
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The 'Red Flag Law" is not relevant in Buscoe's case. He literally has made threats of violence both during the incident USING a weapon and was recorded on the phone stating he was going to get out of jail and kill his neighbor while in jail. Florida law prior to the passage of the Red Flag law has Buscoe guilty of Aggravated Assault...a Class 3 felony with a sentencing enhancement that requires a mandatory minimum 10 year sentence. Felons cant own firearms.

The other 2 cases mentioned in the article involve incidents that are not so clear cut, and individuals that have been cleared by medical and psychological professionals. They are deemed to be no longer a threat to themselves or others. Should they have their weapons seized?
 
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Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

Royal PITA said:
Buscoe committed a few crimes without the red flag law so he would have lost that gun anyway.

What is the process for an innocent American to have their pistol returned if the complaint against them was spurious? Did you see the other threads were the Feds are confiscating money and keeping it even though no crime was committed? Do you really want to give even more unfettered power to our government?
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And yet the prosecutors office still went ahead with a petition to have his guns removed. Why do you think that is? They like paperwork? They enjoy hearings?
 
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VanceMack said:
The 'Red Flag Law" is not relevant in Buscoe's case. He literally has made threats of violence both during the incident USING a weapon and was recorded on the phone stating he was going to get out of jail and kill his neighbor while in jail. Florida law prior to the passage of the Red Flag law has Buscoe guilty of Aggravated Assault...a Class 3 felony with a sentencing enhancement that requires a mandatory minimum 10 year sentence. Felons cant own firearms.

The other 2 cases mentioned in the article involve incidents that are not so clear cut, and individuals that have been cleared by medical and psychological professionals. They are deemed to be no longer a threat to themselves or others. Should they have their weapons seized?
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Why do you suppose the prosecutor went and filed a temporary order? They enjoy the process?
 
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BlueTex said:
Why do you suppose the prosecutor went and filed a temporary order? They enjoy the process?
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Perhaps. An eagerness to use the law.

You didnt answer the question. Should people that have been deemed NOT a threat by competent authority (medical and psychological) have their Constitutional rights stripped from them? If so...why?
 
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Nap said:
How does registration help if the only guns registered are those of people that aren't likely to commit a crime? You keep saying it "could help" but have failed to give any actual benefit registration could provide other than annoy legal gun owners.
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the supreme court has already ruled that those who possess firearms illegally, cannot be prosecuted (Fifth Amendment) for failing to register their firearms. When gun banners push registration and claim it is to control criminals, you know they are lying since registration cannot be used to prosecute criminals
 
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VanceMack said:
Perhaps. An eagerness to use the law.

You didnt answer the question. Should people that have been deemed NOT a threat by competent authority (medical and psychological) have their Constitutional rights stripped from them? If so...why?
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How about you cite some cases where this was the case in Florida....
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

VanceMack said:
Perhaps. An eagerness to use the law.

You didnt answer the question. Should people that have been deemed NOT a threat by competent authority (medical and psychological) have their Constitutional rights stripped from them? If so...why?
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Absolutely. We do that now all the time
 
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BlueTex said:
How about you cite some cases where this was the case in Florida....
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Didnt you read the article you were commenting on? You DID post it after all.

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VanceMack said:
Didnt you read the article you were commenting on? You DID post it after all.

Brandon Michael Tebo

Andrew J. Russi
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So those in the article should still have their guns?


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Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

BlueTex said:
And yet the prosecutors office still went ahead with a petition to have his guns removed. Why do you think that is? They like paperwork? They enjoy hearings?
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On Buscoe? You don't see the fact he broke the law by not only waving a gun around but firing it? Why do you think a "red flag" law was necessary to enforce the multiple laws he broke?
 
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Rich2018 said:
Private sales for $$$ in parking lots....and advertised in places like Craig's List.
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More false information from the Gun-Banner mob since Craig's List banned firearms sales almost a decade ago.

Here's a personal philosophy of mine: "Anyone who lies to me should never, ever be trusted. If they made a mistake and apologize, they get one second chance, but only that single second chance."

FWIW, Rich burned up his second chance with me months ago. YMMV
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

BlueTex said:
So those in the article should still have their guns?


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It's your link. Are you saying no one? How big of a gun-banner are you? Do you understand the difference between a government that seeks to expand freedoms and one that seeks to ban freedoms?

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Sent from Arlington using the freedoms bought for all of us with the blood of patriots
 
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Royal PITA said:
More false information from the Gun-Banner mob since Craig's List banned firearms sales almost a decade ago.
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Really, I wouldn't know, having never bought or sold a gun.



In that case, places like Craig's List

(which is what I said)



...anyone who lies to me should never, ever be trusted. If they made a mistake and apologize, they get one second chance, but only that single second chance.
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I don't believe you


Rich burned up his second chance with me months ago
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Citation needed
 
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