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[W:112, 773]The Gun Show "Loophole"

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„ In 2004, among state prison inmates who possessed a gun
at the time of offense, less than 2% bought their firearm at
a flea market or gun show and 40% obtained their firearm
from an illegal source.
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

This is from the U.S Bureau of Justice Statistics.Clearly criminals don't get their guns at gun shows and there is no loophole. Criminals do not buy guns at gun shows in alarming rates, certainly not alarming compared to where a lot of criminals get their guns, illegal sources. In fact most criminals in Chicago get their guns not even from gun stores by rather just their friends or gang markets.

This is something I do not get about the common sense gun control reformists, why do you want to ban gun shows?Enough of this hysteria
 
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There are strict laws on the number of firearms a private citizen can sell per year and law enforcement observes gun shows. The "loop hole" is a myth.
 
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ecofarm said:
There are strict laws on the number of firearms a private citizen can sell per year and law enforcement observes gun shows. The "loop hole" is a myth.
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How many is that number? I've heard that some states limit the number before you need a FFL but have never seen any number ona federal level. All I've ever seen are vague terms never a specific number.
 
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Chillfolks said:
How many is that number? I've heard that some states limit the number before you need a FFL but have never seen any number ona federal level. All I've ever seen are vague terms never a specific number.
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It's like 20. And cops stalk shows.
 
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TypicalRussian said:
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

This is from the U.S Bureau of Justice Statistics.Clearly criminals don't get their guns at gun shows and there is no loophole. Criminals do not buy guns at gun shows in alarming rates, certainly not alarming compared to where a lot of criminals get their guns, illegal sources. In fact most criminals in Chicago get their guns not even from gun stores by rather just their friends or gang markets.

This is something I do not get about the common sense gun control reformists, why do you want to ban gun shows?Enough of this hysteria
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Didn't the DC Sniper buy his "Bushmaster" gun at a gun show ?
 
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ecofarm said:
It's like 20. And cops stalk shows.
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Do you have a source for that? After a quick Google search I'm still unable to find any specific number on a federal level just vague terms about it being your business or primary income source. Interested in seeing the number if it does exist.
 
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Rich2018 said:
Didn't the DC Sniper buy his "Bushmaster" gun at a gun show ?
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I had always heard he stole the gun used.
 
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Chillfolks said:
Do you have a source for that? After a quick Google search I'm still unable to find any specific number on a federal level just vague terms about it being your business or primary income source. Interested in seeing the number if it does exist.
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I've seen the legislation, Florida iirc, at about if not 20. Maybe it's 50 some states. Even that is not enough for a private collector to upgrade a collection. Collectors of other items buy and sell hundreds per year. Toys, signs, cars, you name it. No other collector is restricted in sales per year.

Cops know damn well the privates at a show and how many they've sold this year, each and every one.
 
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Who cares, the "gun show loophole" misses the debate by miles.

The more you empower criminal enterprise to fulfill demand the more they will, all evidence supporting.
 
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Chillfolks said:
I had always heard he stole the gun used.
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My mistake, you are right. The attacks were made with a stolen gun.

I seem to remember the attacks led to concern over gun shows...so maybe he bought some gun from one.


I saw a YouTube video where a private investigator showed a woman reporter how to buy a gun from an ad - I think it was a craig's List.
 
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Rich2018 said:
My mistake, you are right. The attacks were made with a stolen gun.

I seem to remember the attacks led to concern over gun shows...so maybe he bought some gun from one.


I saw a YouTube video where a private investigator showed a woman reporter how to buy a gun from an ad - I think it was a craig's List.
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That is because gun control advocates push every narrative possible for every shooting even if it is completely unrelated.
 
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It is the private sale loophole, not the gun show loophole - though some gun shows allow private sales. Dealers don't get away with pretending to be private for long - and this would be limited to used guns they bought off-the-books. Most firearms I've bought were private sales, I would pay more for a private sale and usually would decline if it wasn't. I buy far more than I sell and that is a very small number - 0, 1, 2, 3 a year.
 
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TypicalRussian said:
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

This is from the U.S Bureau of Justice Statistics.Clearly criminals don't get their guns at gun shows and there is no loophole. Criminals do not buy guns at gun shows in alarming rates, certainly not alarming compared to where a lot of criminals get their guns, illegal sources. In fact most criminals in Chicago get their guns not even from gun stores by rather just their friends or gang markets.

This is something I do not get about the common sense gun control reformists, why do you want to ban gun shows?Enough of this hysteria
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Massive loophole. That illegal gun came from somewhere
 
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If we're talking gang activity, they often have people with clean records buy the guns for them. This is illegal as I understand it but hard to police.
 
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TypicalRussian said:
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

This is from the U.S Bureau of Justice Statistics.Clearly criminals don't get their guns at gun shows and there is no loophole. Criminals do not buy guns at gun shows in alarming rates, certainly not alarming compared to where a lot of criminals get their guns, illegal sources. In fact most criminals in Chicago get their guns not even from gun stores by rather just their friends or gang markets.

This is something I do not get about the common sense gun control reformists, why do you want to ban gun shows?Enough of this hysteria
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It's a ruse just like their claim of "40000 victims of gun violence every year" as Bernie said tonight. What they don't mention is that 2/3s of those "victims" are suicides. "Gun control" isn't about saving lives, it's about controlling people.
 
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Royal PITA said:
It's a ruse just like their claim of "40000 victims of gun violence every year" as Bernie said tonight. What they don't mention is that 2/3s of those "victims" are suicides. "Gun control" isn't about saving lives, it's about controlling people.
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its why its called control
 
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ecofarm said:
I've seen the legislation, Florida iirc, at about if not 20. Maybe it's 50 some states. Even that is not enough for a private collector to upgrade a collection. Collectors of other items buy and sell hundreds per year. Toys, signs, cars, you name it. No other collector is restricted in sales per year.

Cops know damn well the privates at a show and how many they've sold this year, each and every one.
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The number is not important, its whether the ATF believes you are in the business of selling guns. A man who has just inherited his father's 200 gun collection, might well sell 50 guns and not be seen as a dealer while I know of two cases where one sale caused a bust. In both cases, a guy was at a gun show purportedly selling his "privately owned" firearms and thus he claimed he didn't need an FFL nor did he need to perform the brady check or issue a 4473. yet in both cases, the "private dealer" bought a gun from another private individual and within a few minutes after the seller had departed-put the gun on the his table for sale. The ATF correctly held that these two individuals were engaged in the business of buying and selling guns and thus needed a license.
 
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Royal PITA said:
Agreed. If they were really interested in saving lives, they'd focus on better mental health care and legislation backing it up.
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yeah, common sense gun control makes no sense
 
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TypicalRussian said:
yeah, common sense gun control makes no sense
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Agreed, at least how the gun-banners are proposing it. As the gun banners on this and other threads reveal, they are interested in restricting rights, not expanding them or helping others in need of mental health care.
 
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