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[W:446]Women Being Involved In The Gun Debate

Re: Women Being Involved In The Gun Debate

marke said:
Women should be allowed to kill babies because women have wombs? Does anybody here care for the little babies in all of this, or is abortion just about protecting the woman's right to commit murder if the victims of the murder present to her any discomfort or displeasure of any kind?
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More moronic emotional crap. No babies are killed in abortions.
 
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VanceMack said:
Well...no...actually, abortion impacts the rights of the unborn children being slaughtered 'the most'...and that is the only reason why there is a debate. If it were simply a question of what a woman did to herself, that debate would be over in seconds.
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That hypocrisy is so well established and cemented in place for so long that I'm surprised you people think you can still get away with claiming that you care about rights of children, born or unborn.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Golly, ya think? I'll bet if we all had premonitions we'd make sure we were never in the wrong place at the wrong time. You people.
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I have my CC permit (CPL here)...and carry often but my philosophy is, "if I thought I needed a gun, I wouldnt go there." But random violence cannot be predicted, the predators pick the time and place. The best protection is awareness...I try always to be aware of my surroundings and to never look like a victim. At 5'10", I'm probably not the most vulnerable-looking or easy mark.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Sometimes I actually almost admire how you people so shamelessly pump out pure BS like this. It must be liberating never feeling the need to back anything up.
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Nor to think for themselves...they are literally indoctrinated into a cult.

"He who knows least, obeys best."
 
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marke said:
Of course not. However, I imagine that every one of them would have armed herself if she had any premonition in advance that something like that was going to happen or could happen.
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Not necessarily. She or he may have simply (most likely) called out that day. Like many who have premonitions about accidents avoid that situation rather than telling others or taking precautions that are somewhat implausible to actually do. You cant get a gun in a day.

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VanceMack said:
Well...no...actually, abortion impacts the rights of the unborn children being slaughtered 'the most'...and that is the only reason why there is a debate. If it were simply a question of what a woman did to herself, that debate would be over in seconds.
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Unborn do not have rights. Only those who are born have recognized rights in the US.

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DebateChallenge said:
At least some of the rapes would be stopped if women carried firearms and became proficient with them. You're right that most of the time a rapist is known by their victims but still about one third of rapes are done by strangers. When a rapist knows their victim it can become trickier for the victim to use a gun to stop the rapist but when one third of rapes are done by strangers at least those rapes can be stopped if more women used and carried guns for personal protection. Even if we only reduce rapes by one third at least we're reducing it and although it would be best to eliminate it completely any amount of reduction is good if you ask me.
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You have no evidence for this. It could simply result in the rapist attaining a gun.

And it isnt like those rapists unknown to rape victims are simply going to allow a woman time to get her gun. Anywhere obvious is likely going to deter a rapist, but also be the easiest access or simply get him to change strategy (hurt her first or distract her). There are plenty of places where women can carry, and choose not to or simply dont all the time.

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Re: Women Being Involved In The Gun Debate

marke said:
Women should be allowed to kill babies because women have wombs? Does anybody here care for the little babies in all of this, or is abortion just about protecting the woman's right to commit murder if the victims of the murder present to her any discomfort or displeasure of any kind?
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A) it's not murder unless it's against the law. Abortion isnt.

B) women have rights recognized by the Constitution, unborn do not.

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digitusmedius said:
Has nothing to do with intelligence. It's biology. When men become able to bear children then they can dictate to women when and whether or not to get* and stay pregnant.

* the anti-abortion hypocrites are also doing everything they can to make contraception difficult (if not impossible for poor women) to get. So the evil they're pushing is two-fold.
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I don't agree. Even then it is individual choice, not because some men may not want other men or women choosing what to do with their body.

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weaver2 said:
I'm sure this has already been said but it bears saying again. No intelligent person should be excluded from any important discussion. Intelligent men should not be dismissed from discussions on abortion. Intelligent women should not be dismissed from gun issues. Men who toss stupid stink bombs like "abortion is murder and women are murderers" into the discussion and women who toss their own dumb bombs like" gun don't kill people, people kill people" are not adding anything intelligent to a discussion and if you don't have anything intelligent to add you should be asked to keep your mouth shut.
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Concerning the above in boldface, I wholeheartedly agree that intelligent women should not be dismissed from the gun issue. However, if a woman is intelligent she will take the side for gun rights. Any woman who takes the side where she is against gun rights is not an intelligent woman.
 
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Lursa said:
And many women that dont own guns or shoot completely support the 2A. :roll:
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True enough, and they have my utmost respect. Kamila Harris on the other hand apparently does own a gun for "personal protection" so clearly she's a big hypocrite, just like Bloomberg.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
True enough, and they have my utmost respect. Kamila Harris on the other hand apparently does own a gun for "personal protection" so clearly she's a big hypocrite, just like Bloomberg.
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Nobody cares about your respect, so far this thread deserves none.

I made rebuttal to your argument...do you have one to mine?
 
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DebateChallenge said:
Concerning the above in boldface, I wholeheartedly agree that intelligent women should not be dismissed from the gun issue. However, if a woman is intelligent she will take the side for gun rights. Any woman who takes the side where she is against gun rights is not an intelligent woman.
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As pro-2A as I am, this is just one of the most ignorant conclusions I've ever read.

Here's one for you: Anyone who believes that someone cant intelligently disagree with their position is too stupid to be allowed to exercise their right to vote.

Does that one work for you? It amounts to the same as your 'conclusions' about intelligence and position on guns.
 
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Sampson Simpson said:
Man, the dumb that conservatives put out is ridiculous. Gun control and reproductive birth decisions have nothing to do with each other,
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I never said they did.
Sampson Simpson said:
and plenty of women have guns and shoot.
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Good for them. And by all means they should be involved in the gun debate as long as they're not hypocrites like Kamala Harris.

Sampson Simpson said:
This is what its liek to be a conservatives, you have to make a fool of yourself putting forward complete nonsense, since you don't actually have facts, logic and reasoning
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Its the liberals who don't have logic, only emotion.
 
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Rich2018 said:
There is a British rapist called Peter Sutcliffe (AKA, the Yorkshire Ripper). He preyed mostly on prostitutes, his favored method was to hit women on the head with a hammer first...not much use of a gun there.
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That just further proves my point that a man would not need a gun to rape a woman.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
Its the liberals who don't have logic, only emotion.
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Still ridiculously wrong and ignorant, since I am one example of liberals who manage to support issues based on logic and not emotion.
 
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roguenuke said:
You have no evidence for this. It could simply result in the rapist attaining a gun.

And it isnt like those rapists unknown to rape victims are simply going to allow a woman time to get her gun. Anywhere obvious is likely going to deter a rapist, but also be the easiest access or simply get him to change strategy (hurt her first or distract her). There are plenty of places where women can carry, and choose not to or simply dont all the time.

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So you're saying women should just give up and let rapists rape them. That is such a defeatist attitude.
 
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Lursa said:
As pro-2A as I am, this is just one of the most ignorant conclusions I've ever read.

Here's one for you: Anyone who believes that someone cant intelligently disagree with their position is too stupid to be allowed to exercise their right to vote.

Does that one work for you? It amounts to the same as your 'conclusions' about intelligence and position on guns.
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Well anybody who is against gun rights isn't intelligent whether they're a man or a woman. When it comes to voting rights however, intelligence is not a requirement, that's what the Constitution says, not what I say.
 
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Lursa said:
Still ridiculously wrong and ignorant, since I am one example of liberals who manage to support issues based on logic and not emotion.
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Liberals tend to be for more gun control, they're against gun rights. There might be exceptions but the general rule is that liberals don't like guns. If you're a liberal who is for gun rights than you're the exception and that being the case you could very well be somebody who supports issues based on logic. The point is that people who are against gun rights don't have logic, only emotion, and most people who are against gun rights happen to be liberals. If you're a liberal who is for gun rights and who supports issues based on logic than as I said you're the exception not the general rule.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
Well anybody who is against gun rights isn't intelligent whether they're a man or a woman. When it comes to voting rights however, intelligence is not a requirement, that's what the Constitution says, not what I say.
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Wow, you dont know the meaning of the word 'parallel' at all do you? :doh No wonder you can never make any logical connections.

First, your conclusion in your first sentence is still wrong and you just writing again doesnt change it.

And for the 2nd sentence? Jeebus, intelligence isnt required for anything to do with exercising the 2A either :doh That wasnt the point.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
Liberals tend to be for more gun control, they're against gun rights. There might be exceptions but the general rule is that liberals don't like guns. If you're a liberal who is for gun rights than you're the exception and that being the case you could very well be somebody who supports issues based on logic. The point is that people who are against gun rights don't have logic, only emotion, and most people who are against gun rights happen to be liberals. If you're a liberal who is for gun rights and who supports issues based on logic than as I said you're the exception not the general rule.
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It's not a general rule...there are many more Dems/liberals that support the 2A than you manage to imagine. We are not exceptions.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
That just further proves my point that a man would not need a gun to rape a woman.
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Why not ?

Why did the Yorkshire Ripper use a hammer ?

Why did many British rapists use MACE before it was banned ?


The answer is they used it for the same reason that most muggers carry a weapon.
 
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Lursa said:
Nothing protects anyone from an ambush/surprise attack. Not even cops or soldiers. Yet they still carry guns because not all personal violence is an ambush and people still use guns successfully in self-defense.
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Cops and soldiers carry guns in order to initiate a confrontation and be ready for the reaction of their "targets".


Can you not understand that ?
 
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Lursa said:
Yet they still carry guns because not all personal violence is an ambush and people still use guns successfully in self-defense.
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Rarely successfully, though. If the NRA's "Armed Citizen" reports were anything close to the truth we'd be seeing actual new reports of dozens of lives saved every day.
 
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