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Common sense gun control

Rich2018 said:
No it's not since no gun ban can be enacted unless the 2nd amendment is repealed - so no, owning a gun WOULDN'T be a right.
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Oh ignorant band naive, what a delight
 
swing_voter said:
So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.
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I think this has some merit. My drivers license lets me drive in Mexico, Canada and several other countries, so my CHL should let me carry a firearm in those countries as well.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I think this has some merit. My drivers license lets me drive in Mexico, Canada and several other countries, so my CHL should let me carry a firearm in those countries as well.
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and you can travel to Michigan, California, Nevada or Wyoming and buy all the cars you want.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I think this has some merit. My drivers license lets me drive in Mexico, Canada and several other countries, so my CHL should let me carry a firearm in those countries as well.
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LOL, I can just imagine the Border Patrol at El Paso finding a group of Mexicans entering the USA, carrying guns.
 
Rich2018 said:
LOL, I can just imagine the Border Patrol at El Paso finding a group of Mexicans entering the USA, carrying guns.
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guns are essentially banned in mexico. of course people violating immigration laws might not follow their own country's gun control laws
 
swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.
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I'm sorry the regulations on guns are already much stricter than they are on cars

I can leave my car with a full gas tank sitting outside of my house or even sitting on public property. Ican conspicuously operated around the millions of other people that are all operating their cars in the same space.

Now I can't leave my guns fully loaded outside of my house that would be at the very least criminal negligence. I can't walk down the street firing my gun off around thousands of other people doing it legally.

If I had a car that I didn't want to operate on public roads I would not have to register it I would not have to title it, I wouldn't have to inspect it and I wouldn't have to insure it.
Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.
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well again I wouldn't register my gun at that time why I have no motivation to nobody knows I have it because it's not big enough for me and three other people to get into and drive around in. So there would be no way to know if it was not registered. And if it was never registered I would just report it stolen.
You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.
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tell me if you ride the bus you don't have a registered firearm?
There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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most of the time people who commit mass murder either commit suicide or surrender. Even if the gun was registered to them I don't think they would care. They either want to get caught or they're planning on dying. Now the person who wants to get caught, I don't know why they would care about the firearm registry they want to get caught. The person that wants to commit suicide will have already been dead so even if you do catch their corpse they are dead and they don't care.

So the only thing from a law enforcement perspective that a gun registry could be used for it's catching people who are trying to get away with something. Just like when people commit crimes in cars they steal a car and don't register it to their name, they would do the same with gun you don't even need to steal it you just pay somebody for it I didn't let you have it for a certain amount of money.

gun registration is really pointless for anything except for later confiscation.

If my state enacted a gun registration, I wouldn't register my gun it's lose-lose. If it's stolen and I don't report it because I don't have the serial numbers memorized it's me that takes the fall. If I want to commit a crime with it I just report it stolen.
 
swing_voter said:
Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.
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Interesting. So, since I never do a background check to buy a car, I wouldn't have to do a background check to buy a gun, either.
 
TurtleDude said:
guns are essentially banned in mexico. of course people violating immigration laws might not follow their own country's gun control laws
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I think Mexican can have guns for self defense.

I don't think they can discharge them in public...I'm not sure about transportation laws.

I mean if you buy a gun, how do you get it home ?
 
=Rich2018;1071383953]Or better still run away if possible
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Run Rich run, see Rich get shot in the back.

Fight is the last, not the first option, yes.
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If you are armed fight first. Don't run in helter-skelter, pick your time.

OK
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Yes OK.

If you shoot back, you are initiating a gun fight
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What? You're talking about running and hiding, so it would seem the "gun fight" is already initiated.

The preferred response is:
1. Run
2. Hide
3. Fight
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Your preferred response.

Run= Good chance of getting shot in back. Unless killer has scruples.
Hide=Chance killer finds you or others. Probably no scruples.
Fight=Good chance of living if armed even if with my Buck, but firearm preferably. No scruples, guaranteed.
 
Originally Posted by Rich2018
I had a conversation with an artilleryman about shoulder fired AAA - he couldn't give me an answer. Can a shoulder launched AAA missile take out a tank ?
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I would wonder what kind of artilleryman. Shoulder launched?
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Time for better shoulder pads?
 
zsu2357 said:
Run Rich run, see Rich get shot in the back.
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So best stay hidden...especially if there's some gun owners who want to be Bruce Willis


If you are armed fight first....
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No, if you are armed and can run away, then do so


What? You're talking about running and hiding, so it would seem the "gun fight" is already initiated.
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No, it takes two to tango
Two people shooting at each other is a gun "fight"

One person shooting is just or shooting or mass shooting


Your preferred response.

Run= Good chance of getting shot in back. Unless killer has scruples.
Hide=Chance killer finds you or others. Probably no scruples.
Fight=Good chance of living if armed even if with my Buck, but firearm preferably. No scruples, guaranteed.
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Don't run if you are offering yourself as a target. Run upon hearing shot and screams, not if the shooter is close by and with a clear view of you and escape route. But if you can get away it's absolutely 100% the best option.
Take cover and hide - typically in a room that you can barricade the door and then lie flat
Fight - the worst and most risky option when it's do or die.
 
swing_voter said:
So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.
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Sure, like how there's no such thing as a "car show loophole" so we wouldn't claim there's a "gun show loophole", either.
 
zsu2357 said:
I would wonder what kind of artilleryman. Shoulder launched?


Time for better shoulder pads?
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I the British army, in the 1980's, there were whole batteries (companies) of Royal Artillery armed with the Javelin shoulder fired AA rocket. They also had the Rapier system mounted and later the Starburst.

That picture, is it an S-40 ?
 
Captain America said:
This is just my opinion, but gun advocates seem to me, much like pro-choice advocates.

They oppose any restrictions whatsoever. Even sensible ones.

Believing that if you give the opposition an inch, they will try to take a mile.

And, sadly, I believe they are right.

Face it folks. We, as well as all future generations, are yoked by a constitution written over 200 years ago by men, from a society who mostly possessed, and thought in terms of, single shot, black powder pistols and rifles and the freedom to possess them.

Now, if we could go back in time and tell them about automatic weapons and other advances in the future of weaponry, things might have been different. But we can't and we didn't.

Now, it's way too late. These advanced weapons are here and they are here to stay. And if some whack-job is able to get his hands on one, I want to be able to do the same to protect myself and family from them. Can't put toothpaste back in the tube. All the talk about confiscation, regulation, or whatever, is just wasted breath.

I do wish it had been different. I would gladly forego my passion for deer hunting if it would just save one child. But it's not different. We have to play the cards we are dealt. As long as some punk-ass-gangster has a gun, so will I.

Adapt and improvise.
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I really don't think giving up your passion for deer hunting would save one child. Handling your guns responsibly that would save a child, other people handling their guns safely would save their children.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Did I present an argument?
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No, not really


I really don't think giving up your passion for deer hunting would save one child....
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Neither would the gun control lobby



...handling your guns responsibly that would save a child, other people handling their guns safely would save their children.
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And that includes mass shooters

Now what could be done to stop their gun mis-use ?
 
swing_voter said:
So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.
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Car mufflers and firearm silencers are functionally identical, being nothing but housing with baffles and no moving parts. Since we don't have to pay a tax stamp and get special permission to buy a car muffler, we wouldn't need a tax stamp or special permission to buy a silencer, either, right?
 
Wayne Jr said:
Car mufflers and firearm silencers are functionally identical, being nothing but housing with baffles and no moving parts. Since we don't have to pay a tax stamp and get special permission to buy a car muffler, we wouldn't need a tax stamp or special permission to buy a silencer, either, right?
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Why not ?
 
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