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Common sense gun control

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Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
 
swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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criminals cannot be prosecuted for failing to register guns. Every single gun banning group wants registration. Registration does nothing to increase public safety but is a great tool to facilitate confiscation. Thus, I and most informed freedom advocates oppose registration
 
This is just my opinion, but gun advocates seem to me, much like pro-choice advocates.

They oppose any restrictions whatsoever. Even sensible ones.

Believing that if you give the opposition an inch, they will try to take a mile.

And, sadly, I believe they are right.

Face it folks. We, as well as all future generations, are yoked by a constitution written over 200 years ago by men, from a society who mostly possessed, and thought in terms of, single shot, black powder pistols and rifles and the freedom to possess them.

Now, if we could go back in time and tell them about automatic weapons and other advances in the future of weaponry, things might have been different. But we can't and we didn't.

Now, it's way too late. These advanced weapons are here and they are here to stay. And if some whack-job is able to get his hands on one, I want to be able to do the same to protect myself and family from them. Can't put toothpaste back in the tube. All the talk about confiscation, regulation, or whatever, is just wasted breath.

I do wish it had been different. I would gladly forego my passion for deer hunting if it would just save one child. But it's not different. We have to play the cards we are dealt. As long as some punk-ass-gangster has a gun, so will I.

Adapt and improvise.
 
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swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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2018 was third-deadliest of the decade on American roads, NHTSA says

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimated Monday that 36,750 people were killed in the U.S. in traffic crashes in 2018.

That's down 1% from 2017, when 37,133 people were killed in crashes. It also marks the second-straight year of declines.
 
Captain America said:
This is just my opinion, but gun advocates seem to me, much like pro-choice advocates.

They oppose any restrictions whatsoever. Even sensible ones.

Believing that if you give the opposition an inch, they will try to take a mile.

And, sadly, I believe they are right.

Face it folks. We, as well as all future generations, are yoked by a constitution written over 200 years ago by men, from a society who mostly possessed, and thought in terms of, single shot, black powder pistols and rifles and the freedom to possess them.

Now, if we could go back in time and tell them about automatic weapons and other advances in the future of weaponry, things might have been different. But we can't and we didn't.

Now, it's way too late. These advanced weapons are here and they are here to stay. And if some whack-job is able to get his hands on one, I want to be able to do the same to protect myself and family from them. Can't put toothpaste back in the tube. All the talk about confiscation, regulation, or whatever, is just wasted breath.

I do wish it had been different. I would gladly forego my passion for deer hunting if it would just save one child. But it's not different. We have to play the cards we are dealt. As long as some punk-ass-gangster has a gun, so will I.

Adapt and improvise.
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what are sensible restrictions in my view

1) criminalizing any action that objectively harms innocents or has very likely chance of harming innocents (such as firing a centerfire rifle in a city park or urban area outdoors)

2) preventing the possession of firearms in certain areas-such as prisons, courtrooms, of governmental buildings

3) preventing certain groups of people from buying or carrying firearms such as minors, violent felons and those adjudicated mentally incompetent.

4) restricting certain weapons from hunting, such as hunting deer with a 22 rimfire or hunting them with fully automatic weapons.

Those are common sense gun laws that I doubt less than 1% oppose. What are your definitions?
 
swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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Good idea. Every state should have a Registry of Firearms, just like they have an RMV.
 
TurtleDude said:
what are sensible restrictions in my view

1) criminalizing any action that objectively harms innocents or has very likely chance of harming innocents (such as firing a centerfire rifle in a city park or urban area outdoors)

2) preventing the possession of firearms in certain areas-such as prisons, courtrooms, of governmental buildings

3) preventing certain groups of people from buying or carrying firearms such as minors, violent felons and those adjudicated mentally incompetent.

4) restricting certain weapons from hunting, such as hunting deer with a 22 rimfire or hunting them with fully automatic weapons.

Those are common sense gun laws that I doubt less than 1% oppose. What are your definitions?
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I'm cool with all of that. But aren't there already laws on the books addressing those restrictions? I'll not waste my breath or dream about any other restrictions because the criminal ass-wipes, who should NEVER have a gun, could care less about any law or restriction you or I might place upon them. Laws mean absolutely nothing to them or they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.

If I were to suggest anything I would suggest we bone up on enforcing the laws we already got and anyone committing a crime, who uses a weapon to do so, be put to a swift execution regardless of what level of felonious crime it might fall under. You commit a crime using a gun, you die. Zero tolerance.

Maybe that is why no one has ever suggested to me that I should run for public office.

Seriously, I am none too happy that I have to have a gun on me at all times. But I do. (Except when I do business in the courthouse or when sitting in lodge.)
 
Captain America said:
I'm cool with all of that. But aren't there already laws on the books addressing those restrictions? I'll not waste my breath or dream about any other restrictions because the criminal ass-wipes, who should NEVER have a gun, could care less about any law or restriction you or I might place upon them. Laws mean absolutely nothing to them or they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.

If I were to suggest anything I would suggest we bone up on enforcing the laws we already got and anyone committing a crime, who uses a weapon to do so, be put to a swift execution regardless of what level of felonious crime it might fall under. You commit a crime using a gun, you die. Zero tolerance.

Maybe that is why no one has ever suggested to me that I should run for public office.

Seriously, I am none too happy that I have to have a gun on me at all times. But I do. (Except when I do business in the courthouse or when sitting in lodge.)
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If someone carries while drunk, that is a crime committed with a gun-execution?
poaching a deer?

nah I oppose the death penalty in general and certainly for offenses that don't involve murder or torture
 
TurtleDude said:
If someone carries while drunk, that is a crime committed with a gun-execution?
poaching a deer?

nah I oppose the death penalty in general and certainly for offenses that don't involve murder or torture
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Good point. Perhaps I should have said, "Any crimes committed of a violent nature." Drunks who carry a gun, double or triple their fines and do mandatory jail time. Poachers? Well killing them would be a bit harsh, I concede. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings regardless. Unless they are just a stupid minor. Then we should lock them up until they are a legal adult and not allow them to ever legally carry a gun again. Second offense, 25 years to life.

See? I can be forgiving. LOL!
 
Captain America said:
Good point. Perhaps I should have said, "Any crimes committed of a violent nature." Drunks who carry a gun, double or triple their fines and do mandatory jail time. Poachers? Well killing them would be a bit harsh, I concede. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings regardless. Unless they are just a stupid minor. Then we should lock them up until they are a legal adult and not allow them to ever legally carry a gun again. Second offense, 25 years to life.

See? I can be forgiving. LOL!
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:mrgreen:
 
swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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I don't need a license nor do I need registration to operate my vehicle on private land.
 
Fledermaus said:
I don't need a license nor do I need registration to operate my vehicle on private land.
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Nor to transport for utilization at a private location remote from your own. Nor a background check for purchase. Also so far as I know felons aren't prohibited from driving or owning a car.
 
swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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1.You do not need a license to purchase a vehicle.The license is only for driving the vehicle on public roads. So if we applied this logic to guns then you wouldn't need a license to purchase a gun, you would only need a license to use on public property.

2.You don't need registration to use a vehicle on private land nor to tow that vehicle to another place to be used.So if we applied this logic to guns then you wouldn't need to register any firearm unless you want to use it on public land.

3.Ex-convicts are not prohibited from buying a car. People who are deemed safe enough to be in the general public should have all their rights restored.

4.Any self respecting second amendment advocate is never going to support registrations of firearms because registrations facilitate excess taxes and confiscation. Besides that its no one's business how or when I exercise my constitutional rights.

5.Driving is a state granted privileged. Owning and bearing guns are constitutional rights, meaning you don't need the government's permission to exercise those rights. Licenses and registrations are permissions from the government.If you have to ask the government if you can do something then it isn't a right to you.
 
swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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Why all what precautions? The state licenses vehicles and people’s privilege to drive mainly as a source of revenue.
 
Captain America said:
Now, if we could go back in time and tell them about automatic weapons and other advances in the future of weaponry, things might have been different. But we can't and we didn't.
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That would only be true if our founders created the 2nd amendment only so we can shoot burglars and kill tasty deer.

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jamesrage said:
That would only be true if our founders created the 2nd amendment only so we can shoot burglars and kill tasty deer.
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No, the created so that an armed militia of citizens carry their Colt .45's can fend off an invasion...or worse yet defeat the US army serving a tyrant in the White House


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swing_voter said:
Let's talk about your car. You need a driver's license to operate your car. What's more, the car has to be registered with a state issued license plate.

Why all the precautions? Because cars in the hands of the wrong driver are a threat to honest, working folk. You don't want to issue a drivers license to people who can't control a car, mentally ill people, etc.

So let's do the same with guns as we do with cars.

Moreover, let's combine the two processes. When you get your driver's license, you can get a gun license at the same time if you choose. When you register your car, you register your guns.

You won't even notice the extra paperwork because you'll be renewing and registering at the same time your doing it for your car.

There's a lot less mass killings done with vehicles than guns so drivers licenses and vehicle registration work.
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Notably, there are no federal laws requiring drivers' licenses or registration of firearms, and practically every state already requires a license to carry a firearm (and the few that do not don't seem to have significant problems as a result).

And what do licensing and registration have to do with the lack of mass vehicle killings? Nothing.
 
TurtleDude said:
criminals cannot be prosecuted for failing to register guns. Every single gun banning group wants registration. Registration does nothing to increase public safety but is a great tool to facilitate confiscation. Thus, I and most informed freedom advocates oppose registration
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Would you argue that car registration and drivers licenses do "nothing to increase public safety but is a great tool to facilitate confiscation"?

If not, why? If so, explain. If you can't answer, then we know your comment was just bull****.
 
calamity said:
Would you argue that car registration and drivers licenses do "nothing to increase public safety but is a great tool to facilitate confiscation"?

If not, why? If so, explain. If you can't answer, then we know your comment was just bull****.
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Car registration doesn't do anything to increase public safety. How could it?

Driver licensing does, because the vast majority of car-related deaths are accidental, and licensing involves competency testing.
 
calamity said:
Would you argue that car registration and drivers licenses do "nothing to increase public safety but is a great tool to facilitate confiscation"?

If not, why? If so, explain. If you can't answer, then we know your comment was just bull****.
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I don't think there are any anti-car nuts trying to ban or severely restrict civilian ownership of motor vehicles.And if there is,They are not that many. However there are anti-2nd amendment nuts who do want to severely restrict or ban civilians from owning firearms.These people who support firearm licenses and registrations praise the gun control laws of countries that severely restricted or ban civilians from owning firearms.These people who propose firearm license and registrations are trying to ban semiautomatic firearms under the guise of banning assault weapons and they are trying to ban ten to twenty round standard capacity magazines under the guise of a high capacity magazine ban.
 
calamity said:
Would you argue that car registration and drivers licenses do "nothing to increase public safety but is a great tool to facilitate confiscation"?

If not, why? If so, explain. If you can't answer, then we know your comment was just bull****.
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Good point

And this is the guy who claim a national gun database will not provide assistance in law enforcement...despite also claiming 30 experience in criminal prosecution.
 
"Common Sense" gun laws...thats just a term used to try to disarm people into agreeing to laws they dont understand. "We should pass these laws...they are just 'common sense'." What are they? "Well...they are...common sense. You know...dont worry about what the laws actually say...heck...WE dont even understand that. But they are laws...that keep you safe...and are common sense...and for the children...and how can you be against common sense gun laws? For the children?"





See? They are just common sense laws. OK...so neither of them have a clue what they are passing or talking about and are outright lying about the actual statistics about them, but they are common sense so...we should pass them...for the children....
 
Fledermaus said:
What crimes will registration prevent?
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Help prevent.

Gun related crimes...if your gun is registered to you on a national database and if you use it, the bullets can be traced back to you and your gun.
You might think twice about doing the crime.
 
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