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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Yes but registration forms a barrier to the criminal getting one.


    Like a wall is a barrier to an illegal immigrant


    Not perfect......just better
    So you support the wall?
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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    So you support the wall?
    Sure. Go for it.


    See.....we agree now

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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    This is just my opinion, but gun advocates seem to me, much like pro-choice advocates.

    They oppose any restrictions whatsoever. Even sensible ones.

    Believing that if you give the opposition an inch, they will try to take a mile.

    And, sadly, I believe they are right.

    Face it folks. We, as well as all future generations, are yoked by a constitution written over 200 years ago by men, from a society who mostly possessed, and thought in terms of, single shot, black powder pistols and rifles and the freedom to possess them.

    Now, if we could go back in time and tell them about automatic weapons and other advances in the future of weaponry, things might have been different. But we can't and we didn't.

    Now, it's way too late. These advanced weapons are here and they are here to stay. And if some whack-job is able to get his hands on one, I want to be able to do the same to protect myself and family from them. Can't put toothpaste back in the tube. All the talk about confiscation, regulation, or whatever, is just wasted breath.

    I do wish it had been different. I would gladly forego my passion for deer hunting if it would just save one child. But it's not different. We have to play the cards we are dealt. As long as some punk-ass-gangster has a gun, so will I.

    Adapt and improvise.
    My attempt to use a well formulated legal argument is so simple I hope all understand.

    Posters here have admitted over and over the SC does not convey rights. They will rule if a law is enforceable.

    Guns are written up as a right very early in the constitution. IT had nothing to do with new weapons, but it applied to all weapons.

    Today you can legally buy a Cannon. Today you can still buy lawfully an Army tank.

    I think you can also buy lawfully ships once used by our own coast guard when they were used for combat duty.

    Even the Famed PT boat, once armed with torpedoes and heavy caliber machine guns are used by Civilians.

    The fraud argument is none of this applies to the 2nd amendment.

    Also of all lies told to the nation that harms all of us is Democrats plan to totally remove our rights in the 2nd Amendment is why there are killings of groups of people.

    They will go to bat for massive deaths due to the auto or truck butr figfht for your right to guns to become their right to remove your guns.

    The bundle of rights we speak to a lot in the world of Real estate law courses is you all have a bundle of rights. And one of those rights it to owne all of your personal property until ownership is illegal.

    Abortion is used as a foil to capture your rights and remove them. Abortion is an issue for a number of reasons.
    1. Abortion kills humans. We who hate it, understand it kills human beings.

    2. Guns have no rights. Gun owners have them. The constitution guarantees it. The Constitution may never be amended to provide for lawful Abortions.

    The ruling is based on some magic right apparently only unequally applied to women.

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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Yes but registration forms a barrier to the criminal getting one.


    Like a wall is a barrier to an illegal immigrant


    Not perfect......just better
    No doubt at all the Supreme Court sanctifies owning guns.

    The wall now being built is designed to stop illegal people from getting in to damage this country.

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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinfremont View Post
    No doubt at all the Supreme Court sanctifies owning guns.

    The wall now being built is designed to stop illegal people from getting in to damage this country.
    Scotus also clearly supports gun control. Very clearly

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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what are sensible restrictions in my view

    1) criminalizing any action that objectively harms innocents or has very likely chance of harming innocents (such as firing a centerfire rifle in a city park or urban area outdoors)

    2) preventing the possession of firearms in certain areas-such as prisons, courtrooms, of governmental buildings

    3) preventing certain groups of people from buying or carrying firearms such as minors, violent felons and those adjudicated mentally incompetent.

    4) restricting certain weapons from hunting, such as hunting deer with a 22 rimfire or hunting them with fully automatic weapons.

    Those are common sense gun laws that I doubt less than 1% oppose. What are your definitions?
    How about, the second amendment protects my rights to own guns and I will and you can just lump it. I haven't used a gun in a crime of any kind. I've not robbed anyone, killed anyone, assualted anyone, raped anyone nor any other crime I have committed. So what is your reasoning for limiting my gun ownership?

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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    How about, the second amendment protects my rights to own guns and I will and you can just lump it. I haven't used a gun in a crime of any kind. I've not robbed anyone, killed anyone, assualted anyone, raped anyone nor any other crime I have committed. So what is your reasoning for limiting my gun ownership?
    you need to read what I wrote again
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
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    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Having full-blown shootouts in the 21st century between so-called "good guys" is not common sense.

    Friend of slain stuntwoman Cheryl Sanders skeptical of ex's story

    The new normal seems to be settling disputes with guns. Woo hoo...

    How is that "common sense"?
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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Having full-blown shootouts in the 21st century between so-called "good guys" is not common sense.

    Friend of slain stuntwoman Cheryl Sanders skeptical of ex's story

    The new normal seems to be settling disputes with guns. Woo hoo...

    How is that "common sense"?
    If that were the new normal, our homicide rate would be much higher than it was before shall-issue carry licensing became the norm. The opposite is true. Sorry, no matter how many times it is said, or in how many different ways, "rivers of blood in the streets" is not a thing associated with people lawfully carrying firearms in public.

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    Re: Common sense gun control

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Having full-blown shootouts in the 21st century between so-called "good guys" is not common sense.

    Friend of slain stuntwoman Cheryl Sanders skeptical of ex's story

    The new normal seems to be settling disputes with guns. Woo hoo...

    How is that "common sense"?
    red herring and diversion.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    You know that Reagan signed the Brady Bill - right?
    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.

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