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Virginia House passes bill that bans assault weapons, other firearm accessories.

TurtleDude said:
that's idiotic. I have so many normal capacity magazines, I doubt I can account for them all. I hope some court strikes this crap down. Its nothing more than punitive Democrat nonsense.
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It’s not idiotic: it’s insane and malicious.
 
The only plus from this will be the absurd profit I will make selling a few of the AR's Ive accumulated over the years between passage and implementation.
 
BlueTex said:
Have you read the actual bill that moved forward?


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Yes it is unconstitutional. it should have been struck down by the courts.
the 2nd amendment makes it unconstitutional. then again you might have a different definition
of "shall not be infringed" than everyone else does.
 
ludin said:
Yes it is unconstitutional. it should have been struck down by the courts.
the 2nd amendment makes it unconstitutional. then again you might have a different definition
of "shall not be infringed" than everyone else does.
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Mine is the same one that the 4th circuit used to uphold the nearly identical Maryland assault weapons ban. The same ban the supreme court denied an appeal. You know, the definition that really matters...
 
BlueTex said:
Mine is the same one that the 4th circuit used to uphold the nearly identical Maryland assault weapons ban. The same ban the supreme court denied an appeal. You know, the definition that really matters...
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OK so you are another person that does not understand the phrase shall not be infringed.
no need to continue that is all i needed to know.

so why do you support unconstitutional laws?
 
TurtleDude said:
the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act (McClure Volker) that was almost derailed by scumbag Hughes' poison pill, was designed to eliminate state prosecution for interstate travelers.
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But only if you’re just passing through, weapons are unloaded, separated from ammo, and in the trunk.

If I were to drive into Maryland or DC with a loaded gun in my glove compartment (legal in VA even without a CC license), I could certainly be prosecuted if it was found.
 
ludin said:
OK so you are another person that does not understand the phrase shall not be infringed.
no need to continue that is all i needed to know.

so why do you support unconstitutional laws?
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I understand that the 4th circuit (same circuit for Virginia) allows the state of Maryland to ban assault weapons with a nearly identical law. The same law that was appealed to the supreme court who refused to overturn the 4th circuit. I understand you can not purchase an assault weapons in Maryland and haven't been able to since the law went into effect for over seven years ago. What is it about this that you don't understand?
 
BlueTex said:
I understand that the 4th circuit (same circuit for Virginia) allows the state of Maryland to ban assault weapons with a nearly identical law. The same law that was appealed to the supreme court who refused to overturn the 4th circuit. I understand you can not purchase an assault weapons in Maryland and haven't been able to since the law went into effect for over seven years ago. What is it about this that you don't understand?
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That is unconstitutional per the constitution. So why do you support unconstitutional laws?
you never answered the question.

Shall not be infringed is pretty clear what part of that do you not understand?

also assault weapons are already limited by the ATF.
yet another gun banner that has no clue what he is talking about.
then again this is normal.
 
ludin said:
That is unconstitutional per the constitution. So why do you support unconstitutional laws?
you never answered the question.
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It's not unconstitutional... Answered the question...

Shall not be infringed is pretty clear what part of that do you not understand?
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I understand that self-educated legal scholars tend to end up in prison when they don't follow the law. Usually claiming loudly about the unconstitutionality of the law as they are hauled from the courtroom in cuffs....

also assault weapons are already limited by the ATF.
yet another gun banner that has no clue what he is talking about.
then again this is normal.
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LOL...
 
RetiredUSN said:
And here we go!

Va. House passes bill that bans assault weapons, other firearm accessories | WAVY.com

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The bill prohibits the future sale, transporting, transferring, manufacturing, purchasing, or possessing of an assault firearm. Doing so would result in a Class 6 felony.

Let's see where the State Senate goes with this.

The moderate democrats are already saying that they are in favor of the legislation.
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YAY VIRGINIA !!!!

:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud
 
Rich2018 said:
Can't wait to see every state adopt it once it passes.
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The kind of assumptions somebody having a pipe dream would make, on both it passing and on every state adopting it.

Rich2018 said:
What's difference between it and Maryland's gun laws ?
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Ummm, the last time I checked Virginia wasn't Maryland.
And if you think having stricter gun laws means less crime Maryland is a very bad example of that.
 
DebateChallenge said:
The kind of assumptions somebody having a pipe dream would make, on both it passing and on every state adopting it.
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No assumption made


Ummm, the last time I checked Virginia wasn't Maryland.
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When was the last time you checked ?

Take a look at Maryland's gun laws as you do.
And if you think having stricter gun laws means less crime Maryland is a very bad example of that.[/QUOTE]
 
pinqy said:
Could you please run down the list of features to be banned and explain why each should be banned? Thanks.
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No, I'm not a Virginia legislator but if you present me with an item or two, I can hazard a guess if you like.
 
BlueTex said:
It's not unconstitutional... Answered the question...



I understand that self-educated legal scholars tend to end up in prison when they don't follow the law. Usually claiming loudly about the unconstitutionality of the law as they are hauled from the courtroom in cuffs....



LOL...
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Both Scalia and Thomas said that Heller clearly applies to "assault weapons>

do you claim that an AR 15 is

1) not in common use
2) is unusually dangerous?

if you answer no to both then the MD law is unconstitutional

most smart court observers understand that Roberts has become a wild card and Alito,Thomas etc are waiting for another sure bet before tackling the application of Heller to the states through McDonald
 
Rich2018 said:
No, I'm not a Virginia legislator but if you present me with an item or two, I can hazard a guess if you like.
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How can you praise the passing of the bill if you don't know what it bans?
HB 961 Assault firearms, certain firearm magazines, etc.; prohibiting sale, transport, etc., penalties.

"Assault firearm" means:

1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 12 rounds;

2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a grenade launcher; (v) a flare launcher, (vi) a silencer; (vii) a flash suppressor; (viii) a muzzle brake; (ix) a muzzle compensator; (x) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (x).

3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 12 rounds;

4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (iv) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vi) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (vii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vi).

5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or

6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds; or (v) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (iv).
 
TurtleDude said:
Both Scalia and Thomas said that Heller clearly applies to "assault weapons>

do you claim that an AR 15 is

1) not in common use
2) is unusually dangerous?

if you answer no to both then the MD law is unconstitutional

most smart court observers understand that Roberts has become a wild card and Alito,Thomas etc are waiting for another sure bet before tackling the application of Heller to the states through McDonald
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Spare us the speculation until the supreme court accepts a case...
 
BlueTex said:
Spare us the speculation until the supreme court accepts a case...
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do you personally believe that an AR 15 is both not in common use and is unusually dangerous?
 
Rich2018 said:
No assumption made
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You're making two assumptions.
1. That this bill will pass in Virginia.
2. That other states will follow its example.

We shall see how this pans out.
 
DebateChallenge said:
You're making two assumptions.
1. That this bill will pass in Virginia.
2. That other states will follow its example.

We shall see how this pans out.
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Yes I kinda am assuming it will pass

But I'm not assuming other states will follow suit, I'm more like praying that they will.
 
pinqy said:
How can you praise the passing of the bill if you don't know what it bans?
HB 961 Assault firearms, certain firearm magazines, etc.; prohibiting sale, transport, etc., penalties.

"Assault firearm" means:

1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 12 rounds;

2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a grenade launcher; (v) a flare launcher, (vi) a silencer; (vii) a flash suppressor; (viii) a muzzle brake; (ix) a muzzle compensator; (x) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (x).

3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 12 rounds;

4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (iv) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vi) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (vii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vi).

5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or

6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds; or (v) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (iv).
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Cool, ban them all.

Personally I'd ban way more than that, but it would require a repeal of the 2nd amendment.
 
I've always been so confused why pistol grips and adjustable stocks make guns unusually dangerous.
 
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