Would you support a ban on all firearms in the US?

[Noodlegawd]

Yes or no.

 

[Rich2018]

Yes, but allow the executive to make exceptions mike muzzle loaders, bolt action rifles and single/double barreled shotguns.

 

[zsu2357]

Yes or no.

Hmm 4 no's guess the usual suspects haven't voted.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yes or no.

No, and if I did, I would have to STILL accept the math, which points to "Prohibition" (The Volstead Act) and "The War on Drugs" as examples of ill-formed government crusades doomed to abject failure...and I'd have to MULTIPLY the outcome by several orders of magnitude because the math would force me to do so.

There are FOUR HUNDRED MILLION GUNS in private ownership in the United States, and confiscating them all would easily cost a trillion dollars or more, and the effort would spur the largest underground black market in recorded history, quickly dwarfing the drug cartels in both size, wealth and power.
And the net result would be even MORE GUNS, not LESS, just like the booze and the dope.

In other words, nobody with two brain cells clicked together can come to the conclusion that a "gun ban" would accomplish anything. The guns are here to stay...this is not the tiny UK or the tinier Australian Republic, it's the USA.
The guns are also here to stay because the Constitution says they are here to stay, and UK and Oz also don't have any such clause in their constitutions.

They are here to stay and the best we can ever hope for is to learn how to live with them, and to retool our society into a much more intelligent, egalitarian, thoughtful, respectful and kinder society where the choice to engage in gun violence is SHUNNED by almost everyone.

I have no desire to take away Elmer Fudd's shootin' irons or Sam the liquor store owner's pistol that he keeps under the counter, or Joe Six Pack's home defense weapons, or Billy the Sport Shooter's collection of firearms.
And as lefty as I am, I too AM a gun owner, and I've been around them my entire life.

Fix the PEOPLE and fix the problem instead of attacking the tools. The tools are only as good as the people who use them.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hmm 4 no's guess the usual suspects haven't voted.

Even when they do, they will most likely be the minority anyway.
I know a crap-ton of lefties who think the 2A is A-OK, so when you put them together with the conservatives, it's easily a much larger block than the gun grabbers.

 

[zsu2357]

Yes, but allow the executive to make exceptions mike muzzle loaders, bolt action rifles and single/double barreled shotguns.

Bolt action = sniper rifle
Single or double bbl can be sawn off. Pretty much leaves your muzzle loaders huh?

 

[zsu2357]

Even when they do, they will most likely be the minority anyway.
I know a crap-ton of lefties who think the 2A is A-OK, so when you put them together with the conservatives, it's easily a much larger block than the gun grabbers.

I know some too. In fact my youngest son just changed to(D). lil bastard. I knew I should have shot him in the ass. LOL. But he's also a lefty now and is more than OK with the 2A.

 

[lurchadams]

Yes or no.

No. Some people actually need certain types of firearms for personal protection and for hunting. I would call for a ban on anything meant for military type assault however, that's until deer start shooting back. Then I'm all for semi-automatic weapons with armor piecing shells. "Take that, Bambi"

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I know some too. In fact my youngest son just changed to(D). lil bastard. I knew I should have shot him in the ass. LOL. But he's also a lefty now and is more than OK with the 2A.

Aaaa HAA HAA HAA...
Oh come on ZSU...come over to "the dark side".
We have cookies and we love to share

Maybe your kid is smarter than you are. My kids are smarter than me!

 

[Rich2018]

There are FOUR HUNDRED MILLION GUNS in private ownership in the United States, and confiscating them all would easily cost a trillion dollars or more...

How did you come by that figure ?

I say confiscation would cost nothing.


The extra costs in police hours would be counter balanced by fines for withholding firearms and not handing them in.

 

[Moonglow]

I don't want a gun ban and I don't want an automatic gun ban that we have.

 

[Rich2018]

Bolt action = sniper rifle
Single or double bbl can be sawn off. Pretty much leaves your muzzle loaders huh?

Fully automatic rifle = sniper rifle
Semi-automatic rifles = sniper rifle

Sawed off shotguns would be illegal

 

[zsu2357]

Aaaa HAA HAA HAA...
Oh come on ZSU...come over to "the dark side".
We have cookies and we love to share

Maybe your kid is smarter than you are. My kids are smarter than me!

HA HA HA. Did I mention HA? Oldest son and daughter are still in the camp though. Firmly. Thanks for the invite. Almost had me at cookies though but when you said dark side it blew it.

Smarter? He worships the frigging Cookie Monster or some such thing.

 

[Bullseye]

No, and if I did, I would have to STILL accept the math, which points to "Prohibition" (The Volstead Act) and "The War on Drugs" as examples of ill-formed government crusades doomed to abject failure...and I'd have to MULTIPLY the outcome by several orders of magnitude because the math would force me to do so.

There are FOUR HUNDRED MILLION GUNS in private ownership in the United States, and confiscating them all would easily cost a trillion dollars or more, and the effort would spur the largest underground black market in recorded history, quickly dwarfing the drug cartels in both size, wealth and power.
And the net result would be even MORE GUNS, not LESS, just like the booze and the dope.

In other words, nobody with two brain cells clicked together can come to the conclusion that a "gun ban" would accomplish anything. The guns are here to stay...this is not the tiny UK or the tinier Australian Republic, it's the USA.
The guns are also here to stay because the Constitution says they are here to stay, and UK and Oz also don't have any such clause in their constitutions.

They are here to stay and the best we can ever hope for is to learn how to live with them, and to retool our society into a much more intelligent, egalitarian, thoughtful, respectful and kinder society where the choice to engage in gun violence is SHUNNED by almost everyone.

I have no desire to take away Elmer Fudd's shootin' irons or Sam the liquor store owner's pistol that he keeps under the counter, or Joe Six Pack's home defense weapons, or Billy the Sport Shooter's collection of firearms.
And as lefty as I am, I too AM a gun owner, and I've been around them my entire life.

Fix the PEOPLE and fix the problem instead of attacking the tools. The tools are only as good as the people who use them.

You make a lot of sense, CS.

 

[zsu2357]

Fully automatic rifle = sniper rifle
Semi-automatic rifles = sniper rifle

Sawed off shotguns would be illegal

You missed the point. YOU said with exceptions bolt action rifles and single and double bbl shotguns. Criminals would saw off said shotguns if it's illegal or not. That in most cases goes with the job of being a criminal and not caring for laws.

 

[Noodlegawd]

How did you come by that figure ?

I say confiscation would cost nothing.


The extra costs in police hours would be counter balanced by fines for withholding firearms and not handing them in.

Fines? Really? Fines work so well to stop people from speeding, don't they? I'm sure that will be enough to get people to hand over their guns.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

How did you come by that figure ?

I say confiscation would cost nothing.


The extra costs in police hours would be counter balanced by fines for withholding firearms and not handing them in.

Then you won't have any trouble finding similar figures for the War on Drugs, which by your math, cost us nothing, too.

 

[Eriech]

No.

Any weapon that a federal agency has should be available to the people. The 2cnd ammendment isn't for hunting it is one of the checks and balances ingeniously crafted into the constitution to protect against tyranny.

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[Checkerboard Strangler]

You make a lot of sense, CS.

I'm just an old longhaired union guy, although my hair is gone and I'm semi-retired against my will, thus not in the union anymore. But I'm still the same guy.
I EXPECT homeowners to keep firearms to protect themselves from bad guys, I expect the guy down the street with the International 4X4 and the pencil thin mustache to be an avid hunter, I expect the guy at the liquor store to shoot thieves, I expect all of it and none of it has ever done any harm to me, because while I might not agree with all those guys on everything, I trust them to be honest hardworking and law abiding people...and they have every right to own a gun, just like I do.

Being mostly pacifist does NOT mean "roll over and lay down" when confronted by bad guys.
It means "don't run around trying to start violent confrontations when someone pisses you off.", that's all.

But on the other hand, it also means "don't poke the bear, even if he's sleeping, because bears are very protective of their cubs.
The bear expects their cave to be peaceful and lacking in other predators.

At least that is my interpretation of it..."Don't start nuthin', won't be nuthin'."

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[Rich2018]

You missed the point. YOU said with exceptions bolt action rifles and single and double bbl shotguns. Criminals would saw off said shotguns if it's illegal or not. That in most cases goes with the job of being a criminal and not caring for laws.

If anyone was found with a sawed off shotgun thy would be arrested, fined and/or jailed. The weapon would be seized and destroyed.

 

[Rich2018]

Then you won't have any trouble finding similar figures for the War on Drugs, which by your math, cost us nothing, too.

If you say so.

Trouble is that most people in jail for drugs don't seem to be too rich.

 

[Rich2018]

Fines? Really? Fines work so well to stop people from speeding, don't they?

I said fines are to pay for additional police work

Fines and jail sentences would ensure people obey the law - and pay for it if they don't

And fines do restrict speeding, that and the threat to lose your drivers license

I'm sure that will be enough to get people to hand over their guns.

Most people, yes


A 5 year prison sentence and/or $10,000 fine will see to that
If not, make it a 10 year sentence and $100,000 fine.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Yes or no.

No. In fact, I'm against banning all small arms in the US.

 

[Rich2018]

No. In fact, I'm against banning all small arms in the US.

What about individuals from having guns ?

Would your opinion on banning guns change if mass shootings rose Two fold ? Five fold? Ten fold ? Twenty fold ?
Would any amount of shootings change your mind ?

 

[TurtleDude]

How did you come by that figure ?

I say confiscation would cost nothing.


The extra costs in police hours would be counter balanced by fines for withholding firearms and not handing them in.

just many lives