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State of Emergency gun control laws

That (bolded above) is an extremely weak argument - folks do not wait until "an emergency is declared" to buy a gun or ammo.

I don't know all "folks." Do you? In fact, gun sales tend to increase notably in some situations when the sense of potential danger rises. But what that have to do with 2A rights anyway? it is irrelevant what "folks" do. The relevancy is what rights does each individual have regardless of everyone else. That's what makes it a civil right, not a democratic government granted privilege.
 
870.044 Automatic emergency measures
:roll:

That's a section on "Affrays; Riots; Routs; and Unlawful Assemblies." It doesn't apply to something like a hurricane. It doesn't apply statewide either, it's on a municipal level. And it only lasts for 72 hours (per section 870.047).

Here's a bit more context:

870.043 Declaration of emergency.—Whenever the sheriff or designated city official determines that there has been an act of violence or a flagrant and substantial defiance of, or resistance to, a lawful exercise of public authority and that, on account thereof, there is reason to believe that there exists a clear and present danger of a riot or other general public disorder, widespread disobedience of the law, and substantial injury to persons or to property, all of which constitute an imminent threat to public peace or order and to the general welfare of the jurisdiction affected or a part or parts thereof, he or she may declare that a state of emergency exists within that jurisdiction or any part or parts thereof.

870.044 Automatic emergency measures.—Whenever the public official declares that a state of emergency exists, pursuant to s. 870.043, the following acts shall be prohibited during the period of said emergency throughout the jurisdiction:
(1) The sale of, or offer to sell, with or without consideration, any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(2) The intentional display, after the emergency is declared, by or in any store or shop of any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

Nothing contained in this chapter shall be construed to authorize the seizure, taking, or confiscation of firearms that are lawfully possessed, unless a person is engaged in a criminal act.

(Emphasis added)
Florida Statutes & Constitution
The sheriffs / city officials also have numerous discretionary powers -- e.g. curfews, ban on alcohol sales, shutting down gasoline sales, carrying gas or other flammable liquids in public.

So for those of us living in actual reality, this means:
• The government can't seize everyone's firearms in a state of emergency.
• It is not illegal to possess a firearm in public during a state of emergency.
• The government can't randomly seize firearms during any type of emergency.
• It's only "automatic" during riots, and that power generally only lasts for 72 hours.
• The tall tales you told about gun seizures are wrong.

It's a bit sad that you have to lie on so much fake fear and misinformation to support your political position.
 
Thank you, repealing the 2nd amendment will be a huge challenge, we're going to need all the luck we can get.
You cant ever disarm millions and millions of heavily armed Americans who would rather die than hand over their firearms to a filthy freedom taker. I mean what is your plan....ask them nicely? lol. The little part gun grabbers miss is that a person who gave up their right to bear arms cant take them from those who didn't. Its basic math. You would run out of gun grabbers by noon on the first day.
 
You cant ever disarm millions and millions of heavily armed Americans who would rather die than hand over their firearms to a filthy freedom taker. I mean what is your plan....ask them nicely? lol. The little part gun grabbers miss is that a person who gave up their right to bear arms cant take them from those who didn't. Its basic math. You would run out of gun grabbers by noon on the first day.

Excuse 3.1


Coupled with typical gun owner hysteria: "who would rather die than hand over their firearms to a filthy freedom taker..."


Typical drunken bar room talk...

You are hilarious ... if you actually own a gun (which I somehow doubt) you will be the first in line to meekly hand it over.
Those who protest the loudest are usually the first to comply.
 
Excuse 3.1


Coupled with typical gun owner hysteria: "who would rather die than hand over their firearms to a filthy freedom taker..."


Typical drunken bar room talk...

You are hilarious ... if you actually own a gun (which I somehow doubt) you will be the first in line to meekly hand it over.
Those who protest the loudest are usually the first to comply.
hahhaha well whenever you feel you are brave enough to come take them. We are here.. In fact...don't even let us know when you are coming...just surprise us.
 
:roll:

That's a section on "Affrays; Riots; Routs; and Unlawful Assemblies." It doesn't apply to something like a hurricane. It doesn't apply statewide either, it's on a municipal level. And it only lasts for 72 hours (per section 870.047).

Here's a bit more context:

870.043 Declaration of emergency.—Whenever the sheriff or designated city official determines that there has been an act of violence or a flagrant and substantial defiance of, or resistance to, a lawful exercise of public authority and that, on account thereof, there is reason to believe that there exists a clear and present danger of a riot or other general public disorder, widespread disobedience of the law, and substantial injury to persons or to property, all of which constitute an imminent threat to public peace or order and to the general welfare of the jurisdiction affected or a part or parts thereof, he or she may declare that a state of emergency exists within that jurisdiction or any part or parts thereof.

870.044 Automatic emergency measures.—Whenever the public official declares that a state of emergency exists, pursuant to s. 870.043, the following acts shall be prohibited during the period of said emergency throughout the jurisdiction:
(1) The sale of, or offer to sell, with or without consideration, any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(2) The intentional display, after the emergency is declared, by or in any store or shop of any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

Nothing contained in this chapter shall be construed to authorize the seizure, taking, or confiscation of firearms that are lawfully possessed, unless a person is engaged in a criminal act.

(Emphasis added)
Florida Statutes & Constitution
The sheriffs / city officials also have numerous discretionary powers -- e.g. curfews, ban on alcohol sales, shutting down gasoline sales, carrying gas or other flammable liquids in public.

So for those of us living in actual reality, this means:
• The government can't seize everyone's firearms in a state of emergency.
• It is not illegal to possess a firearm in public during a state of emergency.
• The government can't randomly seize firearms during any type of emergency.
• It's only "automatic" during riots, and that power generally only lasts for 72 hours.
• The tall tales you told about gun seizures are wrong.

It's a bit sad that you have to lie on so much fake fear and misinformation to support your political position.

I liked your post and do agree that some of the fears are overblown.

However this portion of the statute notes as prohibited:
(3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

This seems contrary to one of your bullet point statements: It is not illegal to possess a firearm in public during a state of emergency.
 
This seems contrary to one of your bullet point statements: It is not illegal to possess a firearm in public during a state of emergency.
It seems rather clear to me that the purpose of the law is to make sure you don't have people (criminals or self-appointed vigilantes) running around town, during a riot or the aftermath of a major hurricane, toting an AK-47. It's also rather clear that the intention is not to use a state of emergency as an excuse to seize every single firearm in the state.
 
It seems rather clear to me that the purpose of the law is to make sure you don't have people (criminals or self-appointed vigilantes) running around town, during a riot or the aftermath of a major hurricane, toting an AK-47. It's also rather clear that the intention is not to use a state of emergency as an excuse to seize every single firearm in the state.

I agree, and as always if you don't go flaunting your concealed weapon and happily don't have to use it then who is even going to know you have it. Still, it does make that carrying of a concealed weapon illegal as written.
 
hahhaha well whenever you feel you are brave enough to come take them. We are here.. In fact...don't even let us know when you are coming...just surprise us.

Whatever...law enforcement will knock on you door

But you will have already handed you gun(s) in.


You won't want 5 years in jail...
 
Whatever...law enforcement will knock on you door

But you will have already handed you gun(s) in.


You won't want 5 years in jail...

lets test that....send someone knocking on our doors. See what happens.
 
Whatever...law enforcement will knock on you door

But you will have already handed you gun(s) in.


You won't want 5 years in jail...

Because nobody carries or possesses guns illegally now. So it will get even better when it is illegal for everyone to carry or possess.
 
=Rich2018;1071328190]Excuse 3.1
Don't know what your excuses are and don't care.
Coupled with typical gun owner hysteria: "who would rather die than hand over their firearms to a filthy freedom taker..."
A.Os. right. How is an unarmed grabber going to take away guns from an armed gun owner? I mean it is you and your kind doing the taking isn't it?
Typical drunken bar room talk...
Spend a lot of time in bars do you? Next time you hear some of that "drunken bar room talk" speak up let them know how wrong they are and how you will personally grab their guns. Don't be a chicken you'll have to face them sometime...Right.
You are hilarious ... if you actually own a gun (which I somehow doubt) you will be the first in line to meekly hand it over.
Those who protest the loudest are usually the first to comply.
I'm SURE you don't. You seem to be the loudest about it. With nothing to hand other.
 
lets test that....send someone knocking on our doors. See what happens.

I know what happens, you'll open the door and hand over your gun(s) if indeed you have any.

Then you'll pays your subsequent fine.

So enough of your telephone tough guy, drunken bar talk.
 
Don't know what your excuses are and don't care.

Sure you do, I've repeated them often enough on this forum


...how is an unarmed grabber going to take away guns from an armed gun owner?

LEO's are armed


Spend a lot of time in bars do you? Next time you hear some of that "drunken bar room talk" speak up let them know how wrong they are and how you will personally grab their guns. Don't be a chicken you'll have to face them sometime...


That would be the job of law enforcement
 
Because nobody carries or possesses guns illegally now. So it will get even better when it is illegal for everyone to carry or possess.

How so ?

It will be illegal so they won't do it.

Unlike criminals who''ll throw their lives away over a few dollars or to settle a score, legal gun owners tend to be more risk averse and won't want to lose everything and go to jail over a gun.
 
I know what happens, you'll open the door and hand over your gun(s) if indeed you have any.

Then you'll pays your subsequent fine.

So enough of your telephone tough guy, drunken bar talk.

Like I said...stop whining about it and come and take them. What are you waiting for? Lets get this show on the road.....oh wait..people who are so weak as to give up their freedoms will never be strong enough or courageous enough to take them from those of us who didn't. My door will never be knocked on by a freedom taker. They are simply too weak and outnumbered.
 
How so ?

It will be illegal so they won't do it.

Unlike criminals who''ll throw their lives away over a few dollars or to settle a score, legal gun owners tend to be more risk averse and won't want to lose everything and go to jail over a gun.

Nobody will choose to defy a ban?

There are people who defy laws presently. Not everyone's risk calculations are the same as yours, Rich.
 
Sure you do, I've repeated them often enough on this forum

In response to post 41 .It helps to have the whole quote for the readers context.
I;ll help.
Originally Posted by zsu2357
A.Os. right. How is an unarmed grabber going to take away guns from an armed gun owner? I mean it is you and your kind doing the taking isn't it?
LEO's are armed
Yes they are. At least here.

That would be the job of law enforcement
N/A That is for the grabbers to do, ie you and co. Now don't tell me you and co. would shirk your duty.
 
Nobody will choose to defy a ban?

There are people who defy laws presently. Not everyone's risk calculations are the same as yours, Rich.

Oh I'm sure there will be some, every convicted and released felon carrying is breaking the law.

But the vast bulk of guns in the USA, as we're continually told are held by "law abiding citizens" and it is that demographic that I refer to. The kind of person who will weight up the consequences before any action.
 
Yes they are. At least here.

Here too


N/A That is for the grabbers to do, ie you and co. Now don't tell me you and co. would shirk your duty.

Nope, it would be the task of law enforcement.

(as they'd soon tell you if you tried to interfere with the execution of their duties)
 
Oh I'm sure there will be some, every convicted and released felon carrying is breaking the law.

But the vast bulk of guns in the USA, as we're continually told are held by "law abiding citizens" and it is that demographic that I refer to. The kind of person who will weight up the consequences before any action.

And all of them will come to the conclusion you hope they do.

You're holding out a lot of hope for people you have negatively characterized so often.
 
And all of them will come to the conclusion you hope they do.

You're holding out a lot of hope for people you have negatively characterized so often.


Nope, I just characterize the mentality of the extreme RW element - and then only to parody the attitudes of rabid, from my cold dead fingers, gun owners.
 
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