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California Gun Laws Are Totally Ridiculous

Chillfolks said:
I know I will still have guns, a safe full of them to choose from and will for the rest of my life
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Even strict British gun still allow you to have some guns...and if you buy well made ones, they will last you a lifetime.
 
Gun registration laws are always intended to be a first step in taking away the 2nd amendment rights of gun owners. There is nothing that indicates any of these laws would stop the senseless killings by some nut. I always bring up the Virginia Tech killings, 32 all with handgun and 19 injured.
 
Rich2018 said:
No you are by advocating arming everyone
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That's a lie.



Yes

Because they're teachers and administrators not policemen...that the evidence of Parkland shows that all that training means NOTHING
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Well I graduated police academy in 2013, so I know better than you the training a police officer revives. It's the same a person would receive getting a concealed permit.

Also if the faculty could be armed you would have more people able to defend, and a mass shooter wouldn't even try because he Stan's a higher likelihood of dying.

It's called strength and numbers you do understand that reality right?
Do you really want 50 more gunmen in a school ?
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No I want armed offenders. Allowing faculty and administrators you carry weapons creates more defenders.

As it stands now all you need to do is have a gun in walking to a school to be a gunman imagine if you're going to murder 30 people you don't care about gun charges so that laws toothless against a gunman. It is only useful in protecting a gunman that's why they choose gun free zones because they can just blow people away and they can't do anything about it because their hands are tied by gun control laws.
50+ more guns
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yes more armed people means safer environment. I'm going to ask you the question that you've been dodging this entire discussion because you can't answer it without destroying your position.

How many mass shootings happen at gun ranges or gun shows almost like the presence of guns and armed people discourage the attempt.
You don't see any potential problem that might cause ?
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know if someone wants to murder people at school would just bring a gun anyway if you're going to come at several murders which is the capital of France you probably don't care about a misdemeanor charge of possession of a weapon in a school building.

do you not understand murderers are not restricted by laws the idea is to break the law and making the law abiding people defense this does not help it makes it worse.
Here's what some of the nation's top educators say:
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educators opinions on tactics? Every school shooting has happened under their watch and they did nothing about it these people are ****ing morons when it comes to this it should be the last people we listen to. Chances are they created the problem.

so I'm not interested in what these complete failure idiots have the say. They know nothing they might have actually caused the problem.

Out of curiosity, what's your authority to voice an opinion, are you an educator ?
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I'm far more educated than these people about weapons and tactics so yes I'm an expert compared to them in this field. Being an educator doesn't endow you with some sort of special knowledge. Anybody can teach.



"Chad Hutson Littlefield would have turned 36 on Monday. Instead, he will be buried Friday.
Littlefield was killed, along with ex-Navy SEAL sniper Chris Kyle, allegedly by an Iraq war veteran at a shooting range last Saturday south of Fort Worth..."
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so no mass shootings. Do you understand why?

See above
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see above where you listed equal mass shootings a gun ranges as to schools or concert venues. I must have missed that can you post it again?




99% of the time they don't
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possessing it and everyone knowing you possess it is using defensively. So 100% of the time the military uses firearms.
And you mentioned the military,
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to make yet another point you run away from.
It's as if you've never heard of a shooting on a military base !
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how many compared to churches in schools I bet it's like 50 to 1.




"Oh

They have the liberty not to be the victim of a mass shooter.
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no they don't that liberty was taken from them. All someone has to do Kirby a mass shooter in Britain is get a gun and shoot a bunch of people and it would be easy because nobody else is armed.
The British gun ban has public support.
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Move to Britain.
Like I said you make stupid comments, and it's clear you've never been outside the USA.
No wonder people around the world mock the RW America gun owners
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did Marcus out of jealousy either they're too stupid down firearms predator to stupid to stand up for their liberties. You're not going to find that new us maybe you should leave.




You wouldn't recognize one.
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hard to recognize things that don't exist.
 
Rich2018 said:
Like:
Sand Creek
The Trail of Tears
Wounded Knee - which must have been a savage battle as no less than TWENTY Medals of dis-Honor were awarded to combatants on the US side
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exactly
 
Rich2018 said:
Even strict British gun still allow you to have some guns...and if you buy well made ones, they will last you a lifetime.
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That is true. I don't have a huge amount of guns, but of shotguns I have six. Four of them are at least a decade older than I am and are perfectly functional.

I'm glad you would allow us to keep our shotguns. Tell me again how they wouldn't be able to be utilized by criminals or people who are suicidal?
 
RF667799 said:
That is true. I don't have a huge amount of guns, but of shotguns I have six. Four of them are at least a decade older than I am and are perfectly functional.

I'm glad you would allow us to keep our shotguns. Tell me again how they wouldn't be able to be utilized by criminals or people who are suicidal?
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They would be

Messy but effective I suppose

However in the UK, such shotguns are not the preferred method of people attempting suicide.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's a lie
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So now you don't want to arms teachers and administrators in schools? Who does that leave, the janitor ?


Well I graduated police academy in 2013, so I know better than you the training a police officer revives. It's the same a person would receive getting a concealed permit.
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Well I received a CCW from the state of Georgia in 2015 so I know better than you the training a CCW holder receives in Georgia - it is ZERO


Also if the faculty could be armed you would have more people able to defend, and a mass shooter wouldn't even try because he Stan's a higher likelihood of dying.
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Stan's ?

Many (if not most) mass shooters are suicidal though - they don't expect to live. In fact they usually end up killing themselves


If you arm the teachers and administrators, that's just so many more guns that can be turned on the students

It's called strength and numbers you do understand that reality right?
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Or higher probability - do you understand math ?


No I want armed offenders. Allowing faculty and administrators you carry weapons creates more defenders.
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Are you saying you advocate arming convicted felons ?


As it stands now all you need to do is have a gun in walking to a school to be a gunman...
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You don't think 50+ guns lying around a school won't cause a security problem ?

Sorry but educators have come out firmly against this crazy idea


yes more armed people means safer environment
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No, it means less safe

Why do you think many workplaces and stores (eg: Walmart) have a no weapons policy if having more guns made it a safer place ?


How many mass shootings happen at gun ranges
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Chad Littlefield, 1977-2013: The Other Shooting-Range Victim | TIME.com


So mass shooters tend not to go to gun ranges, but they tend not to go the golf ranges either


murderers are not restricted by laws
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Same with bank robbers


educators opinions on tactics? Every school shooting has happened under their watch and they did nothing about it these people are ****ing morons when it comes to this it should be the last people we listen to.
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And you want to arm them ?

Hint: a teacher is an educator


I'm far more educated than these people about weapons and tactics so yes I'm an expert compared to them in this field
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So you want to arm them, despite their protests

Arming Teachers Is a Terrible Idea - Giffords

Teachers don’t want to carry guns in school.
82% of teachers polled in March 2018 said they wouldn’t carry a gun to school, including 63% of teachers who own guns. In the words of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), arming teachers would “not only would make our children’s classrooms less safe, but also is not what educators and students want.”

Law enforcement doesn’t want teachers to carry guns in school.
More guns makes it more difficult for police officers to identify the shooter and respond, making the situation more dangerous. That’s what happened in Tucson when former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, was shot. It happened again in a Colorado shopping center in November

Arming teachers will lead to more gun injuries and deaths
Since 2014, there have been over 30 incidents where a gun was fired or negligently handled by armed adults at schools, including some where a police officer unintentionally discharged the weapon. A Georgia social studies instructor fired his gun after barricading himself in his classroom....and a Virginia school resource officer accidentally fired his gun in his office."


Arming Teachers Is a Terrible Idea - Giffords

More than 30 reported negligent discharges in school...and you want to increase the danger by adding MORE guns ???


possessing it and everyone knowing you possess it is using defensively...
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No it's not


So 100% of the time the military uses firearms...
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No they don't and I was a soldier for 15 years, we touched guns maybe 3-4 times a year


how many compared to churches in schools I bet it's like 50 to 1.
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Go on then, list me 100 mass shootings at churches

I can list you 2 on military bases recently

no they don't that liberty was taken from them....
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No it was GIVEN back to them



Move to Britain.
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Would you tell the founders to move back in 1776

Would you tell anyone supporting a Constitutional amendment to mov ?


Ridiculous statement


did Marcus out of jealousy either they're too stupid down firearms predator to stupid to stand up for their liberties.
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This police academy you graduated from in 2013, was it in an English speaking country ?


hard to recognize things that don't exist.
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Rich2018 said:
So now you don't want to arms teachers and administrators in schools? Who does that leave, the janitor ?




Well I received a CCW from the state of Georgia in 2015 so I know better than you the training a CCW holder receives in Georgia - it is ZERO




Stan's ?

Many (if not most) mass shooters are suicidal though - they don't expect to live. In fact they usually end up killing themselves


If you arm the teachers and administrators, that's just so many more guns that can be turned on the students



Or higher probability - do you understand math ?




Are you saying you advocate arming convicted felons ?





You don't think 50+ guns lying around a school won't cause a security problem ?

Sorry but educators have come out firmly against this crazy idea




No, it means less safe

Why do you think many workplaces and stores (eg: Walmart) have a no weapons policy if having more guns made it a safer place ?





Chad Littlefield, 1977-2013: The Other Shooting-Range Victim | TIME.com


So mass shooters tend not to go to gun ranges, but they tend not to go the golf ranges either




Same with bank robbers




And you want to arm them ?

Hint: a teacher is an educator




So you want to arm them, despite their protests

Arming Teachers Is a Terrible Idea - Giffords

Teachers don’t want to carry guns in school.
82% of teachers polled in March 2018 said they wouldn’t carry a gun to school, including 63% of teachers who own guns. In the words of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), arming teachers would “not only would make our children’s classrooms less safe, but also is not what educators and students want.”

Law enforcement doesn’t want teachers to carry guns in school.
More guns makes it more difficult for police officers to identify the shooter and respond, making the situation more dangerous. That’s what happened in Tucson when former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, was shot. It happened again in a Colorado shopping center in November

Arming teachers will lead to more gun injuries and deaths
Since 2014, there have been over 30 incidents where a gun was fired or negligently handled by armed adults at schools, including some where a police officer unintentionally discharged the weapon. A Georgia social studies instructor fired his gun after barricading himself in his classroom....and a Virginia school resource officer accidentally fired his gun in his office."


Arming Teachers Is a Terrible Idea - Giffords

More than 30 reported negligent discharges in school...and you want to increase the danger by adding MORE guns ???






No it's not




No they don't and I was a soldier for 15 years, we touched guns maybe 3-4 times a year




Go on then, list me 100 mass shootings at churches

I can list you 2 on military bases recently



No it was GIVEN back to them





Would you tell the founders to move back in 1776

Would you tell anyone supporting a Constitutional amendment to mov ?


Ridiculous statement




This police academy you graduated from in 2013, was it in an English speaking country ?
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I think the teachers who want to be armed should be allowed to the teachers who don't should be allowed not to. Nice try though.

Your proficiency should really be up to you not the state.

I don't care if a mass shooter suicidal. If a mass shooter has bullets in his skull he can't kill anybody else. And it's awfully difficult to put them there if you don't have a firearm.

And no I don't think 50 plus guns and holsters teachers who choose to be armed would cause a security problem. I think it would enhance security why would they be lying around? Do you think before you type?

Also the giffords organization is psychotic. Fight gun violence with what spit ones you can't fight anything without a weapon. I don't listen to complete idiots when it comes to batteries that require IQ above freezing temperatures.
 
Rich2018 said:
They would be

Messy but effective I suppose

However in the UK, such shotguns are not the preferred method of people attempting suicide.
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So how is your plan going to have a significant effect on gun crime and suicide?
 
RF667799 said:
So how is your plan going to have a significant effect on gun crime and suicide?
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It's not that's not what it's for. It is designed specifically to spite you, and all other Americans that exercise their rights.

But the ultimate goal for gun control is to install a dictator. The founders knew this that's why there first sentence is included in the second amendment.

The goal is always nefarious. Don't trust anybody that advocates gun control. They are either corrupt politicians or their brain-dead followers.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I didn't say that so yeah like that. The straw man you made up is not an argument I made.
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Yes you did, you said with regard to gun laws, Britain is a police state.


Did you not


So is the USA a police state with regard to laws on drugs ?
 
CLAX1911 said:
I think the teachers who want to be armed should be allowed to the teachers who don't should be allowed not to. Nice try though.
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"One Cape Cod, Massachusetts, police officer said he would be "terrified" if he responded to a school shooting where the teachers were armed. A U.S. Army veteran of Afghanistan, the officer asked that Patch not identify him because he was speaking as a private citizen and not for the police department that employs him."


Do Not Arm Teachers, Say Military Vets Now Working As Cops | Across America, US Patch


Are you aware of any police depts that support arming teachers ?

Teachers are not cops or SWAT team members, the may have zero training in firearms despite a CCW (which you seem to think guarantees a certain level of training - it does not)


Your proficiency should really be up to you not the state.
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So what ?

Who's to what equates to proficiency, you accept that arming teachers could allow totally untrained people having guns around kids, in their desk, in a cupboard...



I don't care if a mass shooter suicidal. If a mass shooter has bullets in his skull he can't kill anybody else. And it's awfully difficult to put them there if you don't have a firearm.
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A person can survive being shot in the head...and even if he/she does, how many kids have they already killed ?

And answer me this; why wouldn't the shooter be an armed teacher ?


And no I don't think 50 plus guns and holsters teachers who choose to be armed would cause a security problem. I think it would enhance security why would they be lying around?
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So you're OK with all those negligent discharges ?

They'd be lying around or in desk drawers so a teacher has one to hand if there's a mass shooter wouldn't they

Or do you want them locked in the principals office ?


Also the giffords organization is psychotic....
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How about this?

Arming teachers is outrageous — and it won't make schools safer | Crosscut


Or this:

Arming teachers a bad idea | News | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health


Or this:

Teacher: Why arming people like me is so bad


Seriously there are any number of articles against arming teachers.
 
Rich2018 said:
"One Cape Cod, Massachusetts, police officer said he would be "terrified" if he responded to a school shooting where the teachers were armed. A U.S. Army veteran of Afghanistan, the officer asked that Patch not identify him because he was speaking as a private citizen and not for the police department that employs him."


Do Not Arm Teachers, Say Military Vets Now Working As Cops | Across America, US Patch


Are you aware of any police depts that support arming teachers ?

Teachers are not cops or SWAT team members, the may have zero training in firearms despite a CCW (which you seem to think guarantees a certain level of training - it does not)




So what ?

Who's to what equates to proficiency, you accept that arming teachers could allow totally untrained people having guns around kids, in their desk, in a cupboard...






A person can survive being shot in the head...and even if he/she does, how many kids have they already killed ?

And answer me this; why wouldn't the shooter be an armed teacher ?




So you're OK with all those negligent discharges ?

They'd be lying around or in desk drawers so a teacher has one to hand if there's a mass shooter wouldn't they

Or do you want them locked in the principals office ?




How about this?

Arming teachers is outrageous — and it won't make schools safer | Crosscut


Or this:

Arming teachers a bad idea | News | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health


Or this:

Teacher: Why arming people like me is so bad


Seriously there are any number of articles against arming teachers.
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Okay I do not care what educators say they do not matter they have no expertise on tactics. They have done nothing to prevent mass shootings. therefore their opinions mean less than a kinesiologists opinion on this.

I don't care what cops say. They failed to prevent mass shootings. Their opinions don't matter.

And a veteran that says disarming people defends them is a blithering idiot.

So please in the future try not to reference the dumbest people on the planet. I don't need any more stupid.
 
CLAX1911 said:
that's a lie I know better what I said than you do.
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Post # 174

With regard to gun ownership yes it is a police state.
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Okay I do not care what educators say they do not matter they have no expertise on tactics.
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But the know more about school than some rookie cop


They have done nothing to prevent mass shootings...
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Educate students and parents not to bring guns to school, install checks, searches, scanners, employ security guards...


I don't care what cops say....
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Just Trump huh ?
You must really be into hero worship
 
Rich2018 said:
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But the know more about school than some rookie cop




Educate students and parents not to bring guns to school, install checks, searches, scanners, employ security guards...




Just Trump huh ?
You must really be into hero worship
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See that line that sentence before it where I say "with reference to gun ownership..." You omitted that, because you had to remove it from context that's called intellectual dishonesty.

Education not to bring guns to school is already perfect the parkland shooter didn't take a gun and lots of ammo to school because he didn't know any better. He took it there with intent to kill. Educating people not to do this is probably one of the stupidest suggestions you have ever made. if you have a metal detector you will have a line of students waiting to go through it just like anywhere you have to go through a metal detector. Someone can just gunned them all down while they're waiting they don't have to go through the metal detector. And banning guns wouldn't mean they're defenseless.

no matter which way you try to talk your way out of this you can't because you are arguing for defenselessness.
 
CLAX1911 said:
See that line that sentence before it where I say "with reference to gun ownership..." You omitted that, because you had to remove it from context that's called intellectual dishonesty.
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My post # 212, that recognizes your caveat:

So you can be a police state and not a police state on other issues ?
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Not to mention my verbatim copy of your comment in my post above.


Education not to bring guns to school is already perfect...
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5-year-old boy brings loaded gun to school in Holyoke


Dated December 2019 - just two months ago, so no, I'd say it was anything but perfect


Educating people not to do this is probably one of the stupidest suggestions you have ever made.
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"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers." - Socrates


It's stupid because it's already "perfect" ?


if you have a metal detector you will have a line of students waiting to go through it just like anywhere you have to go through a metal detector. Someone can just gunned them all down while they're waiting they don't have to go through the metal detector.
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So you have some security suggestions for the TSA at airport security checks ?


no matter which way you try to talk your way out of this you can't because you are arguing for defenselessness.
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Nope, I'm arguing to letting the people have no need of that kind of defense against gun toting mass killers.
 
Rich2018 said:
My post # 212, that recognizes your caveat:




Not to mention my verbatim copy of your comment in my post above.





5-year-old boy brings loaded gun to school in Holyoke


Dated December 2019 - just two months ago, so no, I'd say it was anything but perfect




"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers." - Socrates


It's stupid because it's already "perfect" ?




So you have some security suggestions for the TSA at airport security checks ?





Nope, I'm arguing to letting the people have no need of that kind of defense against gun toting mass killers.
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Yes you put it back in the context after you were caught being dishonest. Damn right.

How many people did the five-year-old murder?

Are you attacked your argument not your person so there is no slander. Nice try.

My suggestion to the TSA is everyone quit you are worthless. You have a 95% failure rate you are just meat suits absorbing a paycheck.


So how are you going to make the guns disappear?
 
Rich2018 said:
I don't know

If I had to guess it would probably reduce suicide and certainly reduce gun crime.
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It's your plan Rich. We're supposed to accept its efficacy and performance on the basis of your ignorance and guess work?
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's not that's not what it's for. It is designed specifically to spite you, and all other Americans that exercise their rights.

But the ultimate goal for gun control is to install a dictator. The founders knew this that's why there first sentence is included in the second amendment.

The goal is always nefarious. Don't trust anybody that advocates gun control. They are either corrupt politicians or their brain-dead followers.
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Gun rights have been a litmus test of mine for a long time. I refuse to trust anyone who wants to render me defenseless. Why would you want to put someone in a defenseless state unless you wished to take advantage it?
 
RF667799 said:
Gun rights have been a litmus test of mine for a long time. I refuse to trust anyone who wants to render me defenseless. Why would you want to put someone in a defenseless state unless you wished to take advantage it?
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the only reason you would want someone defenseless is so that you could attack them or subjugate them.
 
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