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Virginia's proposed gun laws have predictable results

Rich2018 said:
Source ?




Again, source ?




Mostly crude shotguns




Yes




That's because in most cases having one is not illegal



I do, very much so
And there are many others who share similar views.
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Intentional ignorance noted in regards to home built firearms.

Rich has been informed multiple times by multiple posters about the ability of people to build functional firearms yet he still prattles on about "crude shotguns".

It has gone from sime ignorance to intentional lying now.
 
Bullseye said:
From all I can see apparently this rally in Virginia went off peacefully with a huge turnout. I can sense massive numbers of anti-gunners choking up and going "but, but, but . . ." and hugging each other in consolation.
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Thankfully a heavy police presence was able to keep the protest peaceful.

That protest is a huge reason why guns need to be banned in the USA.
 
Rich2018 said:
Thankfully a heavy police presence was able to keep the protest peaceful.

That protest is a huge reason why guns need to be banned in the USA.
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Actually, most stories I've read say that police presence was pretty light - no that you'll hear that on LW media.
 
Bullseye said:
Actually, most stories I've read say that police presence was pretty light - no that you'll hear that on LW media.
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It looks like a heavy police presence from the pictures.

The USA Today described a "heavy police presence"

Richmond, Virginia gun rally: Protest draws militias, fear of violence


As did this site:

"The Virginia State Police, the Virginia Capitol Police and the Richmond Police had a heavy presence, with officers deploying on rooftops, others patrolling in cars and on bicycles..."


Pro-gun rally by thousands in Virginia ends peacefully - POLITICO



However I can't find a figure for the number of police deployed so possibly they haven't released a figure.
 
Rich2018 said:
It looks like a heavy police presence from the pictures.

The USA Today described a "heavy police presence"

Richmond, Virginia gun rally: Protest draws militias, fear of violence


As did this site:

"The Virginia State Police, the Virginia Capitol Police and the Richmond Police had a heavy presence, with officers deploying on rooftops, others patrolling in cars and on bicycles..."


Pro-gun rally by thousands in Virginia ends peacefully - POLITICO



However I can't find a figure for the number of police deployed so possibly they haven't released a figure.
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Ok, I'm not interested in swapped links. Believe what you want.
 
Bullseye said:
Ok, I'm not interested in swapped links. Believe what you want.
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You said most stories reported a light police presence. Most stories I read said it was a pretty heavy police presence as they were scared violence might erupt


Thankfully they were wrong.
 
Rich2018 said:
You said most stories reported a light police presence. Most stories I read said it was a pretty heavy police presence as they were scared violence might erupt


Thankfully they were wrong.
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If I thought it would make a difference I'd dig up the stories I read that basically showed how much lying was going on in the ones you read.
 
Bullseye said:
If I thought it would make a difference I'd dig up the stories I read that basically showed how much lying was going on in the ones you read.
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I wasn't able to find out what size of the police presence was, merely that multiple sources claimed it was a "heavy" presence in contradiction of your post #153.
 
Rich2018 said:
I wasn't able to find out what size of the police presence was, merely that multiple sources claimed it was a "heavy" presence in contradiction of your post #153.
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In spite of a heavy police presence the protest was peaceful.
 
Rich2018 said:
Bullseye said in post #153 that ever report he'd read was that there was a light police presence.

Was he wrong?
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IMO you could have X numbers of police there and one person could consider that number a heavy police presence and another a light. Glass half full glass half empty
 
Chillfolks said:
IMO you could have X numbers of police there and one person could consider that number a heavy police presence and another a light. Glass half full glass half empty
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Heavier than normal for a holiday Monday.

I saw a picture a squad of police equipped with full riot gear, I wouldn't call that "light"
 
Rich2018 said:
Heavier than normal for a holiday Monday.

I saw a picture a squad of police equipped with full riot gear, I wouldn't call that "light"
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You sure it wasn't just some of the protestors? Some of them were pretty well geared up.

ETA: I just googled "Virginia Gun Rally" images - very few cop photos, small groups, maybe three or four guys.
 
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Rich2018 said:
Heavier than normal for a holiday Monday.

I saw a picture a squad of police equipped with full riot gear, I wouldn't call that "light"
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Heavier than a normal Monday probably heavier than any other staffing when a protest ia planned probably not. Most protests I've been do have police in riot gear. So that doesn't seem anything out of the ordinary. Heck I saw the same thing on New Years Eve.
 
Rich2018 said:
The EU drafted a constitution, which was never adopted, but it was 15 time the length of the US Constitution. So a longer, more expansive document is well possible.
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It was never adopted. It never pretended to address every issue facing the EU. It was just longer than the US Constitution. That's your point?
 
Chillfolks said:
Heavier than a normal Monday probably heavier than any other staffing when a protest ia planned probably not. Most protests I've been do have police in riot gear. So that doesn't seem anything out of the ordinary. Heck I saw the same thing on New Years Eve.
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Having police squads in riot gear meets my criteria for a "heavy" police presence.
 
Diesel said:
It was never adopted. It never pretended to address every issue facing the EU. It was just longer than the US Constitution. That's your point?
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That it was never adopted is irrelevant - I actually stated that.

The point is that it's 15 times longer than the US Constitution, giving lie to the idea that a more detailed constitution is impossible.
 
Chillfolks said:
IMO you could have X numbers of police there and one person could consider that number a heavy police presence and another a light. Glass half full glass half empty
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This is interesting though:


"Three alleged members of a white supremacist group were plotting to murder demonstrators at Monday’s gun rights rally at the Virginia Capitol before they were arrested by the FBI last week, according to court documents...."


White Nationalists Arrested ahead of Richmond Rally Planned to Kill Gun-Rights Demonstrators to Spark Civil War | National Review
 
Rich2018 said:
This is interesting though:


"Three alleged members of a white supremacist group were plotting to murder demonstrators at Monday’s gun rights rally at the Virginia Capitol before they were arrested by the FBI last week, according to court documents...."


White Nationalists Arrested ahead of Richmond Rally Planned to Kill Gun-Rights Demonstrators to Spark Civil War | National Review
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Yes interesting law enforcement arrested people planning to commit a crime. Then the protesters showed up an no violance happened. The law worked and citizens exercised their rights they way it should work
 
Rich2018 said:
That it was never adopted is irrelevant - I actually stated that.

The point is that it's 15 times longer than the US Constitution, giving lie to the idea that a more detailed constitution is impossible.
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Don't arbitrarily change the parameters of the conversation. You said that a document can address every aspect of American governance. That, of course, is ridiculous. Now you're saying that constitutions can be longer than the American one. Well, duh. I believe every state constitution is longer than the national one.
 
Chillfolks said:
Ok we have different criteria
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Seemingly we do

But by no stretch could mine be made to view a squad of policemen in riot gear as a light police presence



Yes interesting law enforcement arrested people planning to commit a crime. Then the protesters showed up an no violance happened. The law worked and citizens exercised their rights they way it should work
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That is a good example of police work, but I shudder to think of the consequences had they not made those arrests.
 
Diesel said:
Don't arbitrarily change the parameters of the conversation. You said that a document can address every aspect of American governance. That, of course, is ridiculous. Now you're saying that constitutions can be longer than the American one. Well, duh. I believe every state constitution is longer than the national one.
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I'm not sure I said that.

I did say that what the existing Constitution say, could be expanded by use of clearer, more detailed and lengthy explanation.
 
Rich2018 said:
And yet you seem unwilling to accept the fact that others may distrust you with a gun.
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Who cares if others distrust me with a gun? If they don't like it they are free to move somewhere else. Why would people stay in America if they are afraid of freedom.
 
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